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BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

I�m not sure I see how it�s politically expedient for the crossbenchers to abstain. I would have thought they�d be siding with Labor to build cachet for the Government presumptive. Are they hoping for concessions ala Katter to bolster their reelection campaigns?

# ? Dec 3, 2018 02:47

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# ? Apr 25, 2024 00:55

CrazyTolradi: Oct 2, 2011; It feels so good to be so bad.....at posting.

Crossbenchers are basically hoping to be MP's as long as they possibly can, because most of them know they're loving gone next election regardless.

# ? Dec 3, 2018 02:50

Reclines Obesily: Jul 24, 2000; Hey Moona!; Slippery Tilde

theres a whole lotta trash thats going to be dumped next election, especially in the senate

# ? Dec 3, 2018 02:51

Amethyst: Mar 28, 2004; I CANNOT HELP BUT MAKE THE DCSS THREAD A FETID SWAMP OF UNFUN POSTING
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bell jar posted:

crossbench abstaining from votes like the gormless cowards they are

What are you referring to? It's senior NSW liberal party members who are abstaining at the moment, right?

# ? Dec 3, 2018 02:52

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

tithin posted:

https://twitter.com/dissent831/status/1069367667813838848?s=19

holy gently caress

# ? Dec 3, 2018 02:54

bell jar: Feb 25, 2009

BBJoey posted:

I�m not sure I see how it�s politically expedient for the crossbenchers to abstain. I would have thought they�d be siding with Labor to build cachet for the Government presumptive. Are they hoping for concessions ala Katter to bolster their reelection campaigns?

You get some of them (Greens, Wilkie) that usually vote with the Opposition, and then you get some (Katter) that usually vote with the Govt. The rest of them are either Liberal defectors who won't do things to destabilise the party, or are in seats where voting against the Govt would not look good for them.

Mostly it's just self-interest.

# ? Dec 3, 2018 02:54

bell jar: Feb 25, 2009

Amethyst posted:

What are you referring to? It's senior NSW liberal party members who are abstaining at the moment, right?

The vote to suspend standing orders in the House

# ? Dec 3, 2018 02:55

Don Dongington: Sep 27, 2005; #ideasboom; College Slice

BBJoey posted:

I�m not sure I see how it�s politically expedient for the crossbenchers to abstain. I would have thought they�d be siding with Labor to build cachet for the Government presumptive. Are they hoping for concessions ala Katter to bolster their reelection campaigns?

There is zero value in supporting a government who have the electoral chances of a burned slice of spam, in exchange for pork barreling promises they'll never be have the chance to honour. A majority ALP government will have no inclination to support them either.

I actually have no idea what they were doing. If the people who elected them wanted this government, they would have elected a Liberal MP. If they wanted to support the Government, they should have joined the Liberal party.

I mean, I think at this point it would make more sense to support the Liberal Party, but not this government, as this government is an exacerbation of the issues currently affecting the Liberal party - an extreme example of the issues, not an exception to them. Supporting this government but not the Liberal party makes no sense at all. And I think they will do worse at the polls for it. Anyone who would punish Phelps or McGowan for voting with the ALP to trigger an early election would have voted for the Liberal candidate by default, I mean gently caress it's not that hard.

The only thing I can think of is that they read the Arse and watch Channel 7 too much, and they've bought into the notion that a Shorten govt is this toxic worst case scenario that will ruin the country somehow more than the status quo.

# ? Dec 3, 2018 02:57

bandaid.friend: Apr 25, 2017; My first car was a stick

Phelps introduced a bill to get sick people off Nauru today, maybe they want to see where that goes

# ? Dec 3, 2018 02:59

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

I like how every time you knife a PM they come back as a vengeful ghost. It's honestly a bit Shakespearean.

# ? Dec 3, 2018 03:02

fiery_valkyrie: Mar 26, 2003; I'm proud of you, Bender. Sure, you lost. You lost bad. But the important thing is I beat up someone who hurt my feelings in high school.

tithin posted:

https://twitter.com/dissent831/status/1069367667813838848?s=19

Amazing.

# ? Dec 3, 2018 03:04

Amoeba102: Jan 22, 2010

The ghosts of PMs past visit Scummo during the night. Scummo exclaims "Oh no, you're here to try and teach me the error of my ways. I won't have it. I won't!"
The ghosts reply "Oh no, we're just here to collect you to help haunt the new guy".

# ? Dec 3, 2018 03:06

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

I'll fix the typos when I'm home I did the OP in a rush. Sorry all.

# ? Dec 3, 2018 03:15

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

Anidav posted:

I'll fix the typos when I'm home I did the OP in a rush. Sorry all.

Never apologise, you're news corp now, just print a retraction right at the end of the thread and then close it.

# ? Dec 3, 2018 03:18

TheMightyHandful: Dec 8, 2008

hooman posted:

Never apologise, you're news corp now, just print a retraction right at the end of the thread and then close it.

# ? Dec 3, 2018 03:22

bandaid.friend: Apr 25, 2017; My first car was a stick

bandaid.friend posted:

Phelps introduced a bill to get sick people off Nauru today, maybe they want to see where that goes

Thinking about it more, assuming this bill is for the good of people urgently in need, and assuming it could actually pass, I'd hope the crossbench kept abstaining from no confidence motions. The ABC says she'd need the entire crossbench, Labor and one Coalition MP

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-29/kerryn-phelps-crossbench-mps-senators-children-nauru/10566626

Is there any chance it'd get through this week?

# ? Dec 3, 2018 03:26

hidys: May 6, 2015; "Give the boys a bit of a rev up."

I don�t understand why the crossbenchers (Wilkie and Bandt excluded) haven�t done more to increase parliament sitting days. Surely they would like to actually do something with their influence.

# ? Dec 3, 2018 03:26

You Am I: May 20, 2001; Me @ your poasting

Anidav posted:

I'll fix the typos when I'm home I did the OP in a rush. Sorry all.

Well we can't give you too much poo poo since you're a mod and all.

Oh wait, you're no longer a mod

# ? Dec 3, 2018 03:28

bell jar: Feb 25, 2009

hidys posted:

I don�t understand why the crossbenchers (Wilkie and Bandt excluded) haven�t done more to increase parliament sitting days. Surely they would like to actually do something with their influence.

They abstained from the vote on this because they didn't want to play politics. So I guess we should be expecting their resignations any day now

*tumbleweeds*

# ? Dec 3, 2018 03:29

hambeet: Sep 13, 2002

bandaid.friend posted:

Phelps introduced a bill to get sick people off Nauru today, maybe they want to see where that goes

yeah it'll be something like this. some of them have poo poo they want to do, others probably just want to ride out the mp salary to the absolute last second.

# ? Dec 3, 2018 03:29

hidys: May 6, 2015; "Give the boys a bit of a rev up."

bell jar posted:

They abstained from the vote on this because they didn't want to play politics. So I guess we should be expecting their resignations any day now

*tumbleweeds*

They are doing more to help this government then the actual Liberal Party.

# ? Dec 3, 2018 03:30

Tokamak: Dec 22, 2004

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Pinchy the Lobster is looking for a new home.

I think they retired it a little too early. They should have rehomed it at the Shire for Craig Kelly and Scomo. It could've became the mascot for corrupt and rat loving Liberals.

# ? Dec 3, 2018 03:31

tithin: Nov 14, 2003; [Grandmaster Tactician]

Amoeba102 posted:

The ghosts of PMs past visit Scummo during the night. Scummo exclaims "Oh no, you're here to try and teach me the error of my ways. I won't have it. I won't!"
The ghosts reply "Oh no, we're just here to collect you to help haunt the new guy".

Can I steal this for Twitter?

# ? Dec 3, 2018 03:31

Megillah Gorilla: Sep 22, 2003; If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.; Bread Liar

monkeu posted:

https://twitter.com/bworthington_/status/1068987767638523905?s=21

Every loving time she's like this.

Is there, in the entire history of the world, a single person who talks endlessly about how they succeeded through their own hard work and skill, and how you can too, who wasn't handed everything on a silver platter?

# ? Dec 3, 2018 03:42

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CrazyTolradi posted:

Crossbenchers are basically hoping to be MP's as long as they possibly can, because most of them know they're loving gone next election regardless.

# ? Dec 3, 2018 03:47

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

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# ? Dec 3, 2018 03:52

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

some poo poo going on in bris?

https://twitter.com/QldPolice/status/1069418824707919872

# ? Dec 3, 2018 03:58

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Megillah Gorilla posted:

Every loving time she's like this.

Is there, in the entire history of the world, a single person who talks endlessly about how they succeeded through their own hard work and skill, and how you can too, who wasn't handed everything on a silver platter?

Arnold Schwarzenegger.

# ? Dec 3, 2018 03:58

hambeet: Sep 13, 2002

Synthbuttrange posted:

some poo poo going on in bris?

https://twitter.com/QldPolice/status/1069418824707919872

~~twitter stuff saying shots fired?~~

man with a gun

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-03/qld-police-incident-coronation-drive/10577400

# ? Dec 3, 2018 04:08

birdstrike: Oct 30, 2008; i;m gay

im at home watching question time gently caress

# ? Dec 3, 2018 04:10

tithin: Nov 14, 2003; [Grandmaster Tactician]

28766f69642a2930 posted:

im at home watching question time gently caress

You don't love yourself

# ? Dec 3, 2018 04:19

The Peccadillo: Mar 4, 2013; We Have Important Work To Do

tithin posted:

https://twitter.com/dissent831/status/1069367667813838848?s=19

drat

# ? Dec 3, 2018 04:20

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

Guardian Opinion posted:

Time is up. The Liberal party won�t reform, so it is time to stop fighting, split and take the opportunity to compete for the support of the public. The Liberal party is now broken, brand-damaged and unable to attract new members that would enable it to represent a �broad church�.

The failure of the existing Liberal party to address climate change or to support an integrity commission is unacceptable.

Nowhere is this failure more obvious than in its continued support for the Adani coalmine and new coal-fired power stations.

I expected more from Scott Morrison after the Victorian walloping. Instead we get the very same. Slippery answers to everything. Coal, coal, coal and soaring greenhouse gas emissions.

Refusing to reduce emissions as cheaply as possible is irrational, immoral and economically reckless. Achieving emission reductions of just 2% a year as proposed by the Labor party in the electricity sector costs very little and won�t risk system stability or security.

We should be aiming for a 2% reduction in emissions every year to ensure Australia does its fair share to tackle climate change. Instead, emissions are increasing and are at a seven year high.

Something must lie behind the failure of the Liberal party to accept policies that are economically rational and environmentally sound, so some sunlight from an integrity commission should be welcomed by all Australians.

Wherever you look, something is wrong.

We desperately need an integrity commission to investigate potential conflicts of interest
The pursuit by ministers of baseload coal power when we need dispatchable renewable energy and storage.

Claims by ministers that we need more fossil fuels and that they are cheaper than renewables or that clean coal is the answer.

Claims by ministers that as Australia only emits 1.3% of global pollution we have no role to play, ignoring the fact that we are only 0.3% of the population and that we will be heavily damaged by the impacts of climate change.

And the final insult � allowing the Adani coalmine to proceed when it lacks a social licence, is completely inconsistent with the need to tackle climate change and frankly smells with donations, overseas trips and wedding parties.

We desperately need an integrity commission to investigate potential conflicts of interest that see a revolving door between the coal industry and minister�s offices. It is hard to believe donors don�t have influence on the selection of ministers to some degree.

Members of parliament that are selected to be ministers stand to receive additional pay of more than $150,000, boosting their remuneration towards $500,000. It seems obvious that such ministers would be more likely to promote the views of the large donors that influenced their appointment in the first place.

We need a parliament that accepts science.

We need a parliament that respects our geography and rationally accepts that our neighbours and their views have special relevance and their concerns deserve special attention, just as my neighbours on my street deserve my special consideration.

We need a root and branch review of the political remuneration system that ensures that it provides the right incentives for all politicians to work for the benefit of our country rather than fight against each other to secure the �spoils of government�.

As a Liberal, I have had enough and, as evidenced by the swing in safe Liberal seats in Victoria, I am not alone.

We must provide alternatives for Liberals to vote for at the next federal election, and I hope to see independent Liberals provide electors in safe Liberal seats with that choice. We need to return to the day where politicians know that their job is not to retain their job but rather to represent their electorate, who, if they are lucky, reward them with their job.

The Liberal party brand has been so damaged and trust so completely destroyed that no amount of �shuffling the deck chairs� will change the outcome of the next federal election.

It is simply impossible for many Liberal voters to vote for a party that:

works to prevent any action on climate change
has the potential to be controlled by the mining industry or whichever new industry is willing to pay for favours (clubs, internet gambling, pokies, firearms and many more)
rejects the establishment of an integrity commission
rejects donation reform and transparency and promotes members for their fundraising skills rather than policy and communication skills
backs the Adani coalmine, which has no social licence and is inconsistent with our need to tackle climate change; and
regardless of the election result seems to be heading towards installing Tony Abbott or Peter Dutton as the next party leader
Liberal voters will align with independent Liberals who have real world experience, who will put the interests of their electorates first and who support:
tight fiscal responsibility so the country operates within its means
strong border controls, backed by a compassionate approach to the treatment of refugees
free enterprise and small business, balanced with appropriate regulation to ensure competition is fair
transparency, integrity and trust; and
real action on climate change that is consistent with what the science is demanding
While I am sure many �shock jocks� who are doing daily damage to the Liberal party will yet again venture to their usual corner of scare tactics about the arrival of independent Liberals, there is no justification for that.

Independent Liberals will move with transparency and integrity, and will clearly state their principals and beliefs so electors know what they are voting for. Just imagine how refreshing that would be in the current world of dark party politics where trading principals for position and power is considered a positive skill.

Once the Liberal party reforms and rebalances, Liberal independents might elect to join again.

This is comedy gold. The liberal party is so terrible and awful, if only there were some kind of alternative offering those policies that I want to see implemented. Oh well, since there isn't, better vote for random independants liberals who side with the LNP in parliament anyway.

# ? Dec 3, 2018 04:23

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

So there are going to be 386 people presumably appealing their convictions with a strong chance of success due to them being convicted thanks to VicPol turning their defence attorney into an informer.......

Also presumably one soon to be extremely dead former defence lawyer

# ? Dec 3, 2018 04:23

The Peccadillo: Mar 4, 2013; We Have Important Work To Do

Solemn Sloth posted:

So there are going to be 386 people presumably appealing their convictions with a strong chance of success due to them being convicted thanks to VicPol turning their defence attorney into an informer.......

Also presumably one soon to be extremely dead former defence lawyer

Fuckin' what?

# ? Dec 3, 2018 04:24

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

The Peccadillo posted:

Fuckin' what?

It�s fuckin wild

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/high-court-blasts-police-for-reprehensible-conduct-over-informer-3838-20181203-p50jv6.html

# ? Dec 3, 2018 04:26

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Solemn Sloth posted:

So there are going to be 386 people presumably appealing their convictions with a strong chance of success due to them being convicted thanks to VicPol turning their defence attorney into an informer.......

Also presumably one soon to be extremely dead former defence lawyer

She's* the greatest lawyer ever and master of the long con.

* pardon me

# ? Dec 3, 2018 04:26