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Best Not WWE Name
This poll is closed.
Up North 70 41.92%
New York 21 12.57%
Titan 12 7.19%
Stamford 18 10.78%
The XXX Porno Wrestling on the Other Channel 46 27.54%
Total: 167 votes
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MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
Ladies and Gentleman, this is your main event.

In conjunction with kenny is winning AKA @epitasis AKA super no vacancy and The Monumental Podcast I am proud to announce

THE NEW YORK 64


The New York 64 is a 64* disgusting promotional tactic tournament divided into two halves, one for business practices (backstage poo poo) and one for the WWE universe (storylines, angles, gimmicks, promos, etc.) The * is because there will be two play in 4 way matches for the WWE Universe 16 seeds.

The tournament voting will be held on twitter, but I hope it generates actual discussion here. An esteemed panel of wrestling experts and woodsmen nominated, seeded and bracketed this tournament and we hope we have chosen the absolute worst things this company has done. I wanted to have a more open nomination process but we came up with 100+ and 64 of them were just me laying around while doing some yoga, so it would have quickly gotten out of hand. Because my schedule is absolutely insane I'm announcing it tonight along with the first bracket but voting will begin tomorrow along with the second bracket announcement, and the rest on Thursday.

Super No Vacancy and I run down the entire field on the Monumental Podcast here https://www.spreaker.com/episode/16387809

https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1070172546161696768

In all seriousness there is a lot of gross poo poo in this tournament and some of it is hard to joke about, but I think this tournament will help people get a really broad view of just how lovely WWE has been historically and continues to be. For example Lars Sullivan didn't even make it on here and the WWE UK stuff barely squeaks in!

Some of these will seem a little weak, but for example Brawl 4 All was an unsanctioned shoot fight tournament held between a bunch of concussed, injured wrestlers with no athletic commission providing the basics of safety. It led to numerous injuries and shortened a career or two. So while it is funny to look back on, it's nuts that a company would do that to their talent. But they did!

I'll try to go through my reasoning for each entrant as the voting starts.

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Super No Vacancy
Jul 26, 2012

sorry if by the halfway point of the podcast i am running out of synonyms for disgusting

SatoshiMiwa
May 6, 2007


Gonna listen to this podcast right now but before I do I bet Warrior has more entries on this list as a performer than Hogan

Glass Punkbull 141
Jan 9, 2008

This is the face of a winner. This is what winning looks like.
I'm glad this exists. Thanks!

Suplex Liberace
Jan 18, 2012



Pumped for this podcast.

hunnert car pileup
Oct 28, 2007

the first world was a mistake

SatoshiMiwa posted:

Gonna listen to this podcast right now but before I do I bet Warrior has more entries on this list as a performer than Hogan

you could make an entire separate bracket for Fritz Von Erich

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Congratulations to Crown Jewel for winning the whole thing despite technically being in its rookie year.

Smoking Crow
Feb 14, 2012

*laughs at u*

You forgot kerwin white

SatoshiMiwa
May 6, 2007


Jerusalem posted:

Congratulations to Crown Jewel for winning the whole thing despite technically being in its rookie year.

As bad as Crown Jewel is the Owen Hart stuff is still the single worst thing the company has done

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

can i still write-in vote for "all the poo poo the WWE did to Bad News Allen"

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012


Thank you both for doing this btw

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
THE TOURNAMENT BEGINS

https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1070336539174076416


Alaois posted:

can i still write-in vote for "all the poo poo the WWE did to Bad News Allen"

There may be a mini tournament of things Bad News related.

DLC Inc
Jun 1, 2011

looking forward to HLA, Kerwin White, the Kurt Angle "bestiality" poo poo, and Katie Vick being frontrunners on this.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.
wait when did the ppv instead of network thing happen

Gavok
Oct 10, 2005

Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?


DLC Inc posted:

looking forward to HLA, Kerwin White, the Kurt Angle "bestiality" poo poo, and Katie Vick being frontrunners on this.

Wasn't that TNA?

Super No Vacancy
Jul 26, 2012

kerwin white and sable being fired for refusing to do a lesbian angle and then being rehired and immediately being put in a lesbian angle are two that I think we left off even our long list

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Super No Vacancy posted:

kerwin white and sable being fired for refusing to do a lesbian angle

kerwin white and sable were gonna have a lesbian angle?

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer

Mel Mudkiper posted:

kerwin white and sable were gonna have a lesbian angle?

Vince didn't actually know what lesbians were at first. JR had to get on the computer and show him.

Cool Post Beg
Mar 6, 2008

DADDY MAGIC
I was nodding in agreement with all of the off-screen disgusting tactics, but man did I feel a certain kind of way listening to some of the on-screen stuff and thinking "wow when I was 13 I loving loved that"

Grant DaNasty
Jul 17, 2006

Gavok posted:

Wasn't that TNA?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pvm31KMhDg

DLC Inc
Jun 1, 2011


man between this and the HHH "people like YOU don't win championships" thing, if I were Booker T I'd have never loving come back after leaving. They treated him like dogshit.

Tato
Jun 19, 2001

DIRECTIVE 236: Promote pro-social values
I remembered WWE killing Owen Hart, continuing with the show, and then doing another show the next day. I had blanked out them airing footage from his funeral without his family's permission. Jesus Christ.

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

MassRafTer posted:

THE TOURNAMENT BEGINS

https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1070336539174076416


There may be a mini tournament of things Bad News related.

I know I'm in the minority, but I went with insulting PPV buying fans. The Owen stuff wasn't a build to anything, that just WWE being dense and/or rude to the Hart family. I barely remember the Shawn Michaels or the Piggy James stuff but they were poo poo that no one will recall unless they're digging. WWE transitioning from PPV to Network subs is a huge moment in the company's history and highlighted just how little of a gently caress WWE cares about the fanbase. "Why are you giving money to PPV providers when you can give it directly to us?" was the messaging. Its the language of financial domination.

My overall vote is still for the Crown Jewel tho. Even before the Khashoggi murder it was a testament to the absolute greed of the company.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
Sable's treatment should be on there, Kerwin White too although I at least meant to add it for consideration but forgot!

TheKingslayer
Sep 3, 2008

I think I have to go with Piggy James personally. The HBK thing is dumb. Mocking fans that want to give them more money is just their own idiocy. The Owen stuff almost took it.

Body shaming a woman in great shape like that I could only imagine having a horrible effect on people that already have body image issues. A lot of kids watch this dumb circus show and even if it's the bad guys doing it, it can leave an impression.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



The real infuriating thing about the Piggy James thing was that they had done the same thing to Molly Holly years before.

Tato
Jun 19, 2001

DIRECTIVE 236: Promote pro-social values

Davros1 posted:

The real infuriating thing about the Piggy James thing was that they had done the same thing to Molly Holly years before.

Oh yeah. And Chris Nowinski being determined to take her virginity.

sticklefifer
Nov 11, 2003

by VideoGames
Why is Crown Jewel in the angles category and not the business category? I assume it was a lovely show (I didn't watch it) but the business practices behind it are the main thing everyone has a problem with.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
Is Eugene gonna make it in?

Gavok
Oct 10, 2005

Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?



Huh. I stand corrected. Somehow I missed this and didn't hear about it until years later. I actually like that promo outside of that line.

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008

i voted for insulting the fans because it is the funniest option. i want the funniest things to win, instead Of the saddest. Join me

sticklefifer
Nov 11, 2003

by VideoGames

Gavok posted:

Huh. I stand corrected. Somehow I missed this and didn't hear about it until years later. I actually like that promo outside of that line.

I always interpreted that as bad improv/line reading on Kurt's part, and that he was talking about wanting to do the filthiest most debaucherous sex acts possible, rather than seeing her personally as an animal.

Not that publicly declaring that about a woman makes it much better, mind you. But I don't necessarily think it's something worthy of stacking up against the worst poo poo WWE's ever done.

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012

TheKingslayer posted:

I think I have to go with Piggy James personally. The HBK thing is dumb. Mocking fans that want to give them more money is just their own idiocy. The Owen stuff almost took it.

Body shaming a woman in great shape like that I could only imagine having a horrible effect on people that already have body image issues. A lot of kids watch this dumb circus show and even if it's the bad guys doing it, it can leave an impression.

Yeah, this is the biggest one to me and I think the way it hits you really depends on if you think media influences people or not.

TV Zombie
Sep 6, 2011

Burying all the trauma from past nights
Burying my anger in the past

This first poll is just a glimpse at the awfulness of this company and it's already too hard to cast a vote.

ThePariah
Feb 10, 2014
Haven't listened to the podcast yet, but is the Jimmy Snuka cover-up on the bracket? It's less verifiable than most of these, but it would be on the level of the Owen stuff if it's true.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

ThePariah posted:

Haven't listened to the podcast yet, but is the Jimmy Snuka cover-up on the bracket? It's less verifiable than most of these, but it would be on the level of the Owen stuff if it's true.

The Snuka tribute is the cover up is not since while it's obvious Mr. Fuji took part right after it happened everything involving the actual company is impossible to verify. Likewise I left Vince's rape and sexual harassment accusations off. It's impossible to draw a line where the company begins and wrestlers/Vince end, but there were a couple of things that are too serious and too hard to verify.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.
I love that we have the 64 worst things wwe has ever done and already there are notable omissions

Gavok
Oct 10, 2005

Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?


SatoshiMiwa posted:

As bad as Crown Jewel is the Owen Hart stuff is still the single worst thing the company has done

Part of me can't shake that the interview with Brian Pillman's wife as the absolute worst thing they've ever done. Without condoning either, I can still at least understand the Owen and Crown Jewel stuff on some level. The Pillman interview just horrifies me.

Grant DaNasty
Jul 17, 2006

sticklefifer posted:

I always interpreted that as bad improv/line reading on Kurt's part, and that he was talking about wanting to do the filthiest most debaucherous sex acts possible, rather than seeing her personally as an animal.

Not that publicly declaring that about a woman makes it much better, mind you. But I don't necessarily think it's something worthy of stacking up against the worst poo poo WWE's ever done.

I remember listening to any interview with a former writer years ago (can't remember which one), and if I remember correctly they said Vince wrote the line. He didn't understand what beastiality really was, instead he thought it just meant wild animalistic sex.

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Budget Dracula
Jun 6, 2007

the michaels collapse was a counter to nitro? never knew that before lol

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