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Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Signing up for a regular slot... but I may have to swap to replacement if this launches too early.

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Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

##vote solus

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Breadcrumb:

https://imgur.com/a/nwLEujd

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Of course cheesecake would help us catch the monster. If you don't know this, then you ARE the monster.

##vote Toalpaz

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

You have unleashed my true power, IP. The power of haunting a masonry.

... It was actually rather chill to haunt a masonry.

Pod, as I said in the masonry:

YER A GODDAMN HERO.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

I've stated a lot of this in the masonry, and honestly can't be arsed to recite all of it, so I'll keep it short for now:

Hawke's been defending IP a TON, and his push on ASF read as a scum bus to me. Out of the players alive, they have read the scummiest to me by far.

##vote 28766f69642a2930

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

28766f69642a2930 posted:

Yami please show me where I defended IP because I donít remember doing that.

thx n dvnce

Are you serious? You literally ignored the case last time, too.

Podima posted:

Birb, why are you pushing the narrative that IcePhoenix is town holding the heart and ASF being scum out of the two living people who voted someone else before D1 ended so hard and from so many angles?

Here, read this case by Podima. The two of us came to the same conclusion about you in the masonry, independently.

You were constantly pushing ASF as an alternative while never ever considering the fact that the person holding the heart could be scum.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

I will do what pod would have wanted me to do.

Which is lunch birb.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

SalTheBard posted:

Basically Pod, Birb and I have been the 3 most active people and thefact that IP flipped scum does not bode well imho for ASF.

You mean it doesn't bode well for hawke?

As Pod and I pointed out, he's been protecting IP by trying to shift all the focus onto ASF. Why would this look bad on ASF?

Why do you trust hawke so blindly anyway? It's rather fishy.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

SalTheBard posted:

The main reason I originally didn't want to cuddle IP is just for heart control. ASF and IP were both super scummy to me.

That was the reason I wanted to cuddle ASF and vig IP was because then we would know who has heart and could protect them.

As of now we don't know where the heart is and how does that help town?

If town doesn't know where the heart is, neither does scum. In fact, it's BETTER for the heart's location not to be revealed.

Yes, I am aware this is setup spec, but there is like, literally no way this setup has a protective role that can protect the heart carrier multiple nights in a row in a 4 day game.

So having the Heart be revealed is massively dangerous to town.

In fact, I'm sonewhat suspicious about even having to state this.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

That sounds like an easy excuse, Sal.

The fact that people have been revived doesn't change anything about the behavior of the people that have been alive all this time.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Instead of going "Is the person that has been revived scum now?" you should be asking "Who has always been scum?"

For the people that have been revived with their alignment hidden, it's essentially a new day 1.

I am starting to get really suspicious of you here, Sal.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

SalTheBard posted:

So I'll just come out with it and let the chips fall were they may.

I'm a 3P who wins if the heart is destroyed. As the heart was destroyed by Pod I've won but was given the option to stay in the game. **There might be a new heart but I'm not sure**

So if you cuddle me nbd because I won already and have nothing to play for.

My kill takes a night to setup so I was trying to keep IP alive so that I could finish them off Night 2.

That was why I speculated that Birb might have a similar role. So yeah if you guys turbo me or otherwise vote me out it is a waste of a day for you.



I'm sorry but I'm not buying that. If you've won already there's literally no reason for you to remain in the game, and really if you're telling the truth Solus should be slapped.

Either way, I still think birb should eat the lunch today. Now that we know Sal 100% isn't town we can always lynch them tomorrow. Lunching birb will clear up the ASF situation quite a lot, I think.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Sal may very well be trying to protect birb for a night here. Let's not be hasty and lynch him at our own pace, imo.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Toalpaz posted:

like this sal business is just a distraction from this.

Sal was under no pressure to claim, and only claimed once I said we should kill birb, and then kill sal or infinitum and solve the game. Sal is scum and birb is scum, but this is stratigic play to change town's order of actions and we should stay our course and not be tricked by third party/scum actions.

:same:

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Oh yeah. I forgot we can lynch both of these guys.

Let's do that.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

28766f69642a2930 posted:

you were playing better when you were dead

agreed.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

SalTheBard posted:

I'm not fakeclaiming?

I mean look, I have nothing else to gain. If you guys cuddle me thats fine, I've already won (albeit totally accidentally). It was kind of a hollow victory, which is why I was allowed to actually try to achieve my wincon on it's own. But I really don't think I have an avenue to achieve that. Basically I would have to know by tonight who has the heart, setup my kill, and then kill them on N3, all while hoping they didn't get cuddled on D3. I have a really challenging wincon, that I accidentally was able to achieve through no effort on my own (other than nudging Pod a little to use the vig on IP).

So yeah if you want to know why I didn't react, I had nothing to react to. I full claimed because I figured town might keep me around until d4 because that way they at least know who one 3p is and they can at least cuddle me last. If I haven't setup a kill by N3 I can't win (again). I would prefer to stay and help town scum hunt.

I still think there is a possibility that the revived players are not playing with towns best interest in mind. If there was no way for them to flip alignment, there reintroduction to the game wouldn't have required janitored alignments. Look into your heart, you know what I'm saying is true.

If Toalpaz, imgay, Yami, and b-minus1 are all town I will use my vig on myself out of shame, but the odds that one of the 4 of them are scum are super high.

While it's possible (and likely) that one of them has flipped alignments (in fact, even roles could have been swapped around, as those were janitored too), that argument is once again bogus.

The bigger reason the flips are janitored is because we'd have 4 confirmed town otherwise.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

SalTheBard posted:

I don't understand what you are saying. Sorry. You said that it is likely someone flipped but the argument is bogus because of reasons?

You're deliberately throwing shade on the revived people without stating the big reason why they're janitored, is what I'm saying.

What you're saying (that you're a 3p that won and doesn't care) and what you're doing (throwing shade on people deliberately) are not matching up.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

SalTheBard posted:

The big reason for a Janitored flip is because they changed alignment???

You cannot possibly this dense.

The revive is janitored so you don't have 4 instant confirmed town.

It's fully possible for it to be a complete herring that simply exists to avoid half the game being unlynchable because they're modconfirmed as town from the flips.

Saying "one of them is probably scum" is a fallacy, and only serves to distract from the non-revived people, which 100% still have scum in them.

You are not helping town by doing this.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Just keep the votes equal so we can lunch both of them at the same time. Efficiency!

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

##unvote

Not sure if I buy it, but I suppose we can go for the claimed 3p instead.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

##vote Sal

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Tobbs Gnawed posted:

Also it's totally possible Sal is scum fake claiming 3P.

I believe this to be the case, tbh. Sal says he doesn't mind being lynched but then tries to direct the lynch away from himself anyway.

:thunk:

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

b-minus1 posted:

That isnít a scummy thing to do at all tbh

Idk if I agree with that. It implies that Sal still has a stake in this game to me. But I may be overthinking it.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

I'm currently in an online tabletop game, but I'm here.

Also have some things to say soon, but will do so after the game.

Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

Sorry, i wanted to post yesterday but i was so drop dead tired afer the game that i fell asleep.

I targeted birb originally, and ended up getting In The Way as a result.

So at the very least Inf isnt lying about their role's name.

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Yami Fenrir
Jan 25, 2015

Is it I that is insane... or the rest of the world?

I feel like the d2 masonry was very strong in this game.

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