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Mel Mudkiper posted:when has there ever been a time when faith hasn't been subservient to power before constantine got to it and Christianity was anti-Roman as gently caress
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basic hitler posted:If someone made a party or coalition built on advancing socialism with a christian core you'd probably have the start of a serious left wing revolution in the united states and probably start making serious loving headway in places liberals write off as lost causes for non-klansmen but seriously if someone comes along who can preach and live it, Christian socialism is a potential key to pushing America left but sadly the extant left can't seemingly do anything but try to one up each other with contempt and sick burns for faith and faithful. also Damnation on netflix is pretty dope and yeah i agree
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General Dog posted:The market has already rejected liberal theology. ya ya if by the market you mean US funded death squads doing genocide in South America
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Dec 7, 2018 19:45
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whatever gently caress Paul then too it's not like that poo poo hasn't been changed before let's trump up a new "prophet" and unify all the Abrahamic religions like in that Arthur C Clarke novel and then unfuck our poo poo before Poseidon does it for us Sweep aside all the bullshit and look at the text and base a leftist message on that. Rural Americans don't know the finer points of theology anyway. They're not going to bust out St. Augustine quotes or some poo poo.
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Dec 7, 2018 20:01
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It's just what poo poo tons of capitalist propaganda have got us tbh
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Dec 7, 2018 20:06
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Tastykake posted:rip this good show, cancelled for reasons that are extremely obvious to anyone who watches it yeah I'm loving amazed it even aired to be honest 97% liked this show on Google and 90% audience score on RT lol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_auction_(foreclosure) quote:A penny auction is a collective effort by a farmer’s neighbors to help the farmer keep the farm after it has been foreclosed. It was practiced during the Great Depression in the United States. The neighbors would gather in large numbers at the auction of the farm and bid very low prices on the farm and its contents while intimidating other bidders. In the end, the bank that owned the farm would get whatever was bid and the neighbors would return the farm and its contents to the farmer.[1] 
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Dec 7, 2018 20:08
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Ok but they aren't just born weirdo racists dude the racism is part of the narrative they are sold by capitalists as to why they aren't doing better themselves or as to why people are hosed up in this supposedly rich country. There is no victory that involves writing off vast swathes of the population as shittier people and thus fundamentally unsalvageable.
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Dec 8, 2018 01:18
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That's some Council of Nicea poo poo right there because the messiah King of Israel was supposed to be a king here on Earth too so... Like that's the entire point he is the deliverer come to free them from Rome. Otherwise why would the Romans mock him with a "king of the Jews" sign or whatever it'd make 0 sense. Why would the Romans even care if he was 100% just talking about some spiritual afterlife stuff? Why would Herod care? If you didn't gently caress with Roman rule they basically let you get up to whatever. They only cared about Israel for its trade and strategic positioning anyway. It's kind of impossible to separate out Christianity in the Roman Empire from secular politics. Moridin920 has issued a correction as of 09:08 on Dec 8, 2018 |
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Dec 8, 2018 09:01
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Anyway yeah he says "why are you trying to trap me" when he is asked should we pay taxes so that much at least should be clear.
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Muscle Wizard posted:it was an obvious trap but its pretty clear from other parts of scripture that jesus considered divine politics and earthly politics to be two different spheres. jesus is the original proponent of separation of church and state lol. Muscle Wizard posted:this is all basic, basic stuff, hardly 'council of nicea'. well alright then which parts e: not trying to be snarky ee: I say council of Nicea because there's a lot of other people saying what Christianity is or quoting Jesus in there and poo poo tons of it is directly contradictory. Like you could read Romans as to be all "divine right of kings is good" but then Corinthians says " “All things are lawful for me,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be enslaved by anything." which is nearly anarchist. eee: Also this is all ignoring the history of the anti-Roman groups such as the Zealots who very much were about an independent kingdom from Rome? Simon the Apostle was a Zealot, probably Paul also? quote:The Zealots were a political movement in 1st-century Second Temple Judaism, which sought to incite the people of Judea Province to rebel against the Roman Empire and expel it from the Holy Land by force of arms, most notably during the First Jewish–Roman War (66–70). quote:in the year 6 CE against Quirinius' tax reform, shortly after the Roman Empire declared what had most recently been the tetrarchy of Herod Archelaus to be a Roman province, and that they "agree in all other things with the Pharisaic notions; but they have an inviolable attachment to liberty, and say that God is to be their only Ruler and Lord." (18.1.6) (which Corinthians basically affirms in the bit I quoted) quote:the religious leaders wouldnt have it though, as their political power was tied to their status in religious hierarchy This is kinda my point actually though - you can't really separate out Jesus from secular politics and by "kingdom of heaven" his supporters very much meant a secular kingdom free from Roman rule? Moridin920 has issued a correction as of 10:30 on Dec 8, 2018 |
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Dec 8, 2018 10:07
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Muscle Wizard posted:i think your understanding of biblical literature is fundamentally flawed you're probably right Muscle Wizard posted:how are the zealots being ignored? What I'm getting at is if people very important in Jesus' organization are Zealots then I don't see how it can be possible that Jesus' followers didn't care about secular matters at all. e: Muscle Wizard posted:didnt see this edit. i don't see how followers of jesus wanting to be free of roman rule implies that jesus himself said that. Ahh okay. Well yeah ok.
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Dec 8, 2018 10:39
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Muscle Wizard posted:you are killing me with these edits sorry it's a bad habit
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Dec 8, 2018 10:44
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Bilirubin posted:Of course, colonialism was driven by economics, probably primarily so, but it took on the veneer of the evangelical call to teach the gospel to all the creatures. So, is Christianity ultimately responsible for Eurocentrism/white supremacy or is bigotry developed convergently in various pockets because people ultimately suck? Bigotry is developed when inequality is rampant not because people suck but because people are ultimately not hosed in the head and need some ideological justification for what they and their government are doing. Christianity is good at providing that. The concept of White Man's Burden is all about how Europe was really uplifting the savages, not doing colonialist exploitation. They're not doing genocide, they're converting savages and saving their immortal souls.
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Who What Now posted:Destroying an empire for the sole purpose of replacing it with your own isn't anti-imperialist. They didn't want an empire they wanted to have their own state as a self determining people? An independent kingdom is how that was done back then 99.999% of the time.
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