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CountFosco
Jan 9, 2012

Welcome back to the Liturgigoon thread, friend.

General Dog posted:

Where is the incentive to fix the world when we've already been told that the world won't be fixed until Jesus comes back?

There is no incentive to fix the world; there is incentive to rectify your life and your actions, as a caretaker of your own soul. If your charitable actions make the world a better place, great. If you are charitable and righteous but you live in an unrighteous society, you are not held responsible for their actions. Maybe you should've been a prophet though.

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CountFosco
Jan 9, 2012

Welcome back to the Liturgigoon thread, friend.

basic hitler posted:

Lol dude okay you obviously don't have anything but online experience with these communities but there are so many christians who are aware of the commands to be good people and to help their neighbors so to speak but they feel trapped because the rhetoric they hear repeatedly tells them that there is a war going on for the souls of unborn babies and for the heteronormative nuclear family and so they vote a certain way purely for the faith they hold twisted by indoctrination and this is obvious when you get many of them to talk candidly about their beliefs.

If those faithful heard a sincerely Christian message that advocated from the left, so many people would go for it. They're right wing because their pastors tell them thats what good christians do. Change the pastor, change the pastor's message, the congregations follow.

Christian socialism could mobilize previously unreachable people for the left but the problems are dealing with people who think it's impossible and would likely reject their New brethren anyway for not being leftist enough or whatever.

Pastors preaching liberalism and left-wing politics in the pulpit has already been tried and done. The congregations of the episcopals and the UCC are dwindling, they are in a seemingly unstoppable death spiral. Methodists are close behind, along with leftist Lutherans.

CountFosco
Jan 9, 2012

Welcome back to the Liturgigoon thread, friend.

Who What Now posted:

Every slave owning white southerner was a Christian. Coincidence?

Unlike all those atheist Northern abolitionists.

CountFosco
Jan 9, 2012

Welcome back to the Liturgigoon thread, friend.

MizPiz posted:

Christianity is undeniably the basis for white supremacy. The entire debate around whether whichever native peoples are actually human or human shaped animals was based around whether they accepted Christianity as truth. The genocides started because the savages proved their inhumanity by rejecting Christ (or just adding the Christian god to their pantheon).

That said, it's not like non-white nations aren't capable of having a racial cast system, the Europeans just got lucky in making a global one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Guadalupe

Lots of indigenous peoples converted to Christianity of their own free will, which was a problem because enslaving Christians was aaaawkward.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praying_town

quote:

An important factor contributing to the conversion of Natives was the possibility to increase their legitimacy in the eyes of the English settlers and thus recognition of their rights to their land. Because of troubles between the tribes themselves and between the colonists and the tribes, some saw the praying towns as a refuge from war.

CountFosco
Jan 9, 2012

Welcome back to the Liturgigoon thread, friend.

Ayn Randi posted:

christianity isn't so much incompatible with capital as it is its incubator and precursor. as god is the ground of being that dreamed us into existence within itself, so to did we dream our own progeny embodied in the rarefied ground of our own minds. capital moves around to world to propagate itself, it consumes, it grows and multiplies, it excretes the waste products of its consumption. it reacts to threats and acts always in its own self preservation. a superconsciousness that marshalls individual humans to its defense without a separately-extant self consciously calling the shots, just as the communal human organism does with its cells and microbiome.

capitalism is christianity, only this time we took the role of gods and not creations. and like us, capitalism must inevitably murder the gods it has outgrown.

You're talking about capital in the same way McVeigh talked about modern technology.

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