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iospace
Jan 19, 2038




Fun Shoe

AttackBacon posted:

So I was perusing the Steam store and I saw Elite: Dangerous was on MEGA SALE. I've been feeling space-sim hunger pangs for a little bit now but I had some questions before I made the jump (I have no experience with the Elite series):
  • A lot of my fondest space-memories were of playing Escape Velocity and its sequels. Does E:D have a similar gameplay flow? (ie: start with a dinky shuttle, do some missions, get a better ship, go be a mercenary, get a better ship, join a faction, get a better ship, etc etc.)
  • How long does that loop take? In EV I could typically expect to be upgrading my ship almost once a session, I suspect E:D is a more intensive sim with much longer turn-around.
  • How much variety is there in terms of ships and loadouts?
  • I understand that E:D has multiplayer, how does that work exactly? Is it a MMO? MMO-lite (like oldschool Guild Wars maybe, instanced everything)? Server-based?
  • What is the endgame goal with ED? Are there things I can aim for on my own or is it some kind of communal thing (do I need to join a guild to engage fully with the game, etc)?
Sorry it's a bit of a long list and I suspect a lot of it will be answered by the forthcoming OP, but I figured I'd ask anyways and see what folks have to say.

In order:
1. Yes, but that dinky shuttle can also be used to get you triple Elite if you really want to. It's a solid starting ship, and you can get the same ship for free forever.
2. Depends on how hard you go on it. Courier missions are cargoless and can be done quickly. There's also the Road to Riches, but now it's a bit more dicey due to new mechanics in populated space.
3. Lots. You can take most ships and outfit them for at least two different roles if you want (key word: most). The hauler is a good starting trading ship, but can also be a cheap exploration ship as well.
4. More MMO-lite than anything. Squadrons now help keep things interesting as you get to chat with others no matter where you are in the deep black.
5. Whatever you make it. Also join Diamond Frogs (link is above).

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Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.

Clapping Larry

Dick Trauma posted:

Horizons seems to go on sale regularly so I'll grab it next time that happens.

And Horizons just went on sale so I grabbed it for $7.

Guess I have to learn about Engineers and roaming around planets now!

Edmond Dantes
Sep 12, 2007

Reactor: Online
Sensors: Online
Weapons: Online

ALL SYSTEMS NOMINAL


Soooo, 2 questions:

1) If I like Euro Truck Simulator 2, will I like this?

2) What would I need to get in order to jump into this? Base game + Horizons?

(Speaking of Horizons, in the store I see it listed as "Horizons Season Pass", but when I go in the "add to cart" button just says Horizons. Is it the same thing?)

Cheers.

tooterfish
Jul 13, 2013



Yes.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038




Fun Shoe

Dick Trauma posted:

And Horizons just went on sale so I grabbed it for $7.

Guess I have to learn about Engineers and roaming around planets now!

Make sure you do the rover tutorial mission before doing it live to make sure your bindings are all set up.

Montalvo
Sep 3, 2007





Fun Shoe

Marty Crane
Oct 16, 2012


Edmond Dantes posted:

Soooo, 2 questions:

1) If I like Euro Truck Simulator 2, will I like this?



Somebody described it to me as Euro Truck in space, as if it was a bad thing. My reaction was, 'gently caress yeah I'm buying it.'

ShootaBoy
Jan 6, 2010

Anime is Bad.
Except for Pokemon, Valkyria Chronicles and 100% OJ.


Edmond Dantes posted:

Soooo, 2 questions:

1) If I like Euro Truck Simulator 2, will I like this?

2) What would I need to get in order to jump into this? Base game + Horizons?

(Speaking of Horizons, in the store I see it listed as "Horizons Season Pass", but when I go in the "add to cart" button just says Horizons. Is it the same thing?)

Cheers.

1. I was pushed towards this by a friend who also uses it as a Space Trucker, and that's all I've done in it for 70+ hours. It's even chiller than truck sim, because you're rarely in a position where crashing is even possible.

2. I got in with just base game (though I mught change that with Horizons on sale...) and have been perfectly fine. You just miss out on a few things, like access to a couple ships and landing on planets.

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000


Avast!

Fun Shoe

I found one thing I don't like about the new lighting model but it's really minor

Here's a screenshot I took in the old version of a barnacle on Witch Head Sector HW-W C1-7 C 3 that I found by flying to a coordinate found on the internet:



The star the planet orbits is a brown dwarf, which is a companion star of a yellow star. In the old lighting model, the closer brown dwarf was too dim to be the main light source of the planet, so the side facing the brown dwarf was the "night" side of the planet while the "day" side was the one facing the yellow planet. the "night" side had an eerie glow to it like it was lit by a full moon, except the light was from a brown dwarf.



It still looks drat cool, as things in this game do, but I liked the idea that brown dwarves couldn't light a surface properly no matter how prominent they are in the sky.

On the other hand, I found more barnacle sites and got first mapping on the planet

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.

Clapping Larry

Marty Crane posted:

Somebody described it to me as Euro Truck in space, as if it was a bad thing. My reaction was, 'gently caress yeah I'm buying it.'

It didn't feel like ETS to me until I was trying to exit a station and an NPC ship cut in front of me and sent me into the wall.

Cyberpunkey Monkey
Jun 23, 2003

by Nyc_Tattoo


mapping earthlike and water worlds is crazy lucrative.... I pulled about 30 mil by mapping a few that were just on my way to Rohini

iospace posted:

Could someone please link one (1) guardian FSD booster guide, combined with a good ship to complete it in (minimal engineering please)? Thanks and gods bless.

I did it in a random Krait I put together. All you need is an multiple SRV bay (I brought 4, but lost none. Some people were complaining so ymmv.), some cargo space, and a decent jump range for comfort to get to the sites...

You could comfortably do the missions in an unengineered T6

Canonn is the place. They have spreadsheets of all of the locations. I would recommend taking the time to do the Ram Tah missions from Meene rather than just grinding for that one piece and then having to come back. It took a few sessions, but was an interesting challenge.

You don't need to finish the first mission to 100% for it to be worth doing. You get a million per note, with a bonus if you find all of them.

https://canonn.science/codex/archaeology-history/

Cyberpunkey Monkey fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Dec 12, 2018

GHOST_BUTT
Nov 24, 2013



Fun Shoe

iospace posted:

Could someone please link one (1) guardian FSD booster guide, combined with a good ship to complete it in (minimal engineering please)? Thanks and gods bless.

Osirisisdead already posted a good guide but I did it in a hauler because I am both cheap and lazy.

https://s.orbis.zone/16n4

Small ship size so you can put it down close to the sites in question, plus two top mounted PDS to shoot down missiles that will otherwise flip your SRV forever. Legs long enough to get your travel time to manageable levels. Costs all of 2M but you'll have to engineer the FSD, which honestly ain't poo poo.

Don't break your SRV though.

e offline a tiny AFMU in that class one slot if you really want to. Or you may need a surface scanner nowadays, I'm not sure if the Guardian sites show up automatically in this brave new world of fun scanning.

GHOST_BUTT fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Dec 12, 2018

Cyberpunkey Monkey
Jun 23, 2003

by Nyc_Tattoo


I didn't use point defense and didn't have trouble, but I'm pretty handy with the SRV and have done a bunch of skimmer fighting prior to these missions...

That is probably good advice, though.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038




Fun Shoe

Thanks all! It'll be a bit before I'm back in the bubble, but it's nice to study up

Chupacabra
May 20, 2005



Also make sure you bring some Sulphur and Phosphorous for synthesis. You will probably run out of SRV ammo shooting pylons and sentinels, and that is the only way to reload.

GHOST_BUTT
Nov 24, 2013



Fun Shoe

iospace posted:

Thanks all! It'll be a bit before I'm back in the bubble, but it's nice to study up

nb though that if you're going to get the rest of the Guardian stuff, you'll need a ship that can carry cargo so you can get the obelisks to talk to you. But it's all just mats for the FSD booster.

Miguel Prado
Nov 5, 2008

Don't worry, like they say " It's all good! "

Servers are down? I was just being helped by a super friendly dude, he was dropping me diamonds and escorting me to the nearest station. Should I buy the season pass? It's on sale and I'm really into this already.

Pontificating Ass
Aug 2, 2002

What Doth Life?


Servers went down for me. Under $15 bucks (with Horizons) seems like a really great deal.

CapnBry
Jul 15, 2002

I got this goin'

Grimey Drawer

Dick Trauma posted:

And Horizons just went on sale so I grabbed it for $7.
Wow I just looked at the store page and guys, I don't want to be that guy on the Internet who isn't making GBS threads on every video game they play, but Elite: Dangerous has 1205 reviews in the past 30 days and 90% are positive.

I have to say the latest patch is pretty great. I mean USSes you can actually find. Exploring and feeling more engaged than honking then hovering your cursor over a line graph of planets to decide if I want to fly to them. Assassinate missions where I can actually find the target. Squadrons with a ladder system so there's a scoreboard to motivate play. And holy poo poo, Squadron Chat, which for the first time I feel like I am actually playing an online game with people more than seeing a hollow square ever did. And an ever-increasing diversity of ships that aren't outright gimping yourself to use.

Varkas
Apr 16, 2003

If I post before 5pm PST, PM my boss and tell him I'm fired.

Miguel Prado posted:

Servers are down? I was just being helped by a super friendly dude, he was dropping me diamonds and escorting me to the nearest station. Should I buy the season pass? It's on sale and I'm really into this already.

Yeah, servers appear down to myself as well.

Normally though things are quite stable. I think it's just a bit of issues related to the recent server patching.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.

Clapping Larry

I like the sound of icy planets...

Edmond Dantes
Sep 12, 2007

Reactor: Online
Sensors: Online
Weapons: Online

ALL SYSTEMS NOMINAL



Marty Crane posted:

Somebody described it to me as Euro Truck in space, as if it was a bad thing. My reaction was, 'gently caress yeah I'm buying it.'

I didn't explain further because I knew that someone would get exactly what I was aiming for with the ETS2 comparison.

Thanks, I've been eyeballing this for a bit so I'll probably jump in with Base + Horizons when I get home, since it's like ~US$6.50 for both in third world prices. The "packs" are just unlocks? Not really aiming for those, just curious.

GHOST_BUTT
Nov 24, 2013



Fun Shoe

CapnBry posted:

Exploring and feeling more engaged than honking then hovering your cursor over a line graph of planets to decide if I want to fly to them.

I, too, am generally uncomfortable with being positive on the Internet, but the scanner changes have made me extremely happy. ~My immersion~ when exploring is so much better now (I mean every science fiction story has taught me that somebody's gotta work the sensors, after all), and just from a gameplay perspective, as you said, it's something to do in between jaw dropping views. This is a good direction for FDev to go and I hope they're taking note of the overwhelmingly positive feedback.

Dogeh
Aug 30, 2017

ShitMeter: -------------|- 99%


Edmond Dantes posted:

Soooo, 2 questions:

1) If I like Euro Truck Simulator 2, will I like this?



Yep. Except you can shoot stuff and mine stuff with your truck.
Oh and explore places no-one has ever been to.

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000


Avast!

Fun Shoe

Speaking of trucks I hope they add a few more SRV models and a few configurations per SRV model like what fighters have so there's more variety to surface stuff and more of a point to carry huge SRV bays than just replacements of your one model of SRV.

Like there are group recommended surface combat missions but with such a limited number of player types and enemy types there are more interesting things to spend your time on if you're in a group.

Drake_263
Mar 31, 2010


Elderbean posted:

As a newbie how should I make money and what parts/ships should I save for?

OK so the thing with Elite is that every ship has its own niche it's good at, so 'what ship you want to go for' is sort of subjective depending on what you like to do. Here's a couple of suggestions:

If you like flying space shootmans:

Eagle MKII - The cheapest ship in the game, bar the starting Shitwinder. Great little interceptor to harass small ships in, the most agile ship in the game, one of THE most fun ships to fly, period.
Viper MKIII - A fast heavy fighter that's surprisingly sturdy for its relative size while being one of the three fastest chassises in the game. Also very fun to fly, especially if you want somethign that flies like a sports car.
Diamondback Scout - More expensive than the others, but has a great frameshift range for a combat ship. It's bigger and chunkier than the Viper but very agile and super flexible. Great if you want to kick rear end, take names, and move around regularily.

If you want to take it peaceful and make your first millions with trading and playing Euro Truck Hauler in space or scratching at rocks with mining lasers:

Hauler - Space bread truck, the Hauler has all the firepower of half a Sidewinder but can fit a decent load of cargo and jump surprisingly far with an empty cargo bay.
Adder - The Adder is basically a slightly bigger, chunkier Hauler that's got a little bit more cargo space and the capacity to actually carry a couple of guns. IF you can afford the Adder you should probably just flat skip the Hauler to be honest.
Cobra MKIII - The classic Cobra can be fit to carry around 40 tons of cargo and still have enough teeth to discourage low-level pirates.
Type-6 Transporter - The good old T6 is basically a cargo pod with thrusters welded on, but it's pretty much the definitive space cargo hauler. It's surprisingly cheap to upgrade for its price and can carry a whopping 100 tons of cargo while still retaining a cargo scoop and just enough shields to deflect space junk. It's also still relatively mobile, unlike its bigger brothers.

If you haven't quite decided what you want to do, or want to keep your options open:

Adder - Again, the Adder is basically a glorified cargo shuttle, but it's also the cheapest ship in the game that can carry a C2 Medium gun. It's surprisingly agile without 20-odd tons of cargo knocking around in the back, too, so when configured right it makes for a decent show in.. pretty much anything you could want.
Cobra MKIII - The Cobra is basically the Millennium Falcon of the Elite universe - and for a reason. It's got enough internal bays to fit a lot of equipment, enough firepower to hold its own, and a giant loving afterburner for when things get too hairy. Again, if you have one of these, you can tweak it to do almost anything you could ever want it to - and something else tomorrow.

As for what parts to go for, here's a couple of tips:

*First off, when you sell stuff back to the store, you get back its full purchase cost - the only things you're left holding the bill for are any repair and restock fees. Don't be afraid to experiment.

*One of the most important parts on your ship is actually the power distributor - upgrading it means you have more power available to your SYS, ENG and WEP capacitors and increases their regeneration rate, making your ship literally better at everything. The power distributor also tends to be the cheapest component on your ship. If you intend to do any fighting whatsoever, the PD should probably be your first priority when upgrading your ship.

*Your second priority should probably be the frameshift drive. Upgrading your FSD makes it easier and faster to travel and has literally no downsides as long as your power core can keep up.

*Your next priorities (after you've fit weapons you like) should probably be your shields and thrusters in your preferred priority. Upgrade your power core when you start running low on power output.

*Again, you don't really lose anything when selling your ships back, so if you're aiming for a super expensive ship - don't feel shy about going for an intermediate upgrade in-between. If you're in a Sidewinder and want a Cobra, feel free to grab an Adder - having a bigger ship means you produce money faster and can get to the Cobra faster, too.

*Never fly anything you can't afford to lose.

Dogeh
Aug 30, 2017

ShitMeter: -------------|- 99%


Also, once you have the FSD maxed out, get the hell out of the starter system and get down to 63G Capricornii
There your Frog brethren will help you, wing up with you and you can make more money that way

jubjub64
Feb 17, 2011


GHOST_BUTT posted:

...PDS to shoot down missiles that will otherwise flip your SRV forever.

Holy crap you beautiful genius. Either that or I'm an ugly doofus.

Miguel Prado
Nov 5, 2008

Don't worry, like they say " It's all good! "

Servers are back up. Do we have a squadron? Which I take it is a guild of some sort?

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

Those are my runes.
Give them back.
You are a dog.
They don't even fit.


Wat so your parked ship will still cover your SRV with its point defence?

Brb gonna re enact that star wars opening

GHOST_BUTT
Nov 24, 2013



Fun Shoe

jubjub64 posted:

Holy crap you beautiful genius. Either that or I'm an ugly doofus.

I wish I could take credit, but I didn't think of it. Beautiful doofus at best.

timn
Mar 16, 2010


EDIT: Lol phone posting in the wrong space game thread

timn fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Dec 12, 2018

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000


Avast!

Fun Shoe

timn posted:

Is there any easy way to tell ships to supply a station you don't own? The closest I've found is to use the import wares to sector command and filter down the wares list to only what the specific station needs (e.g. engine parts which the Paranid wharf seems chronically short on). Paring down the wares list manually like this is an assload of clicking for every single ship you want to do this for.

what

timn
Mar 16, 2010


EDIT: Lol phone posting in the wrong space game thread

timn fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Dec 12, 2018

Varkas
Apr 16, 2003

If I post before 5pm PST, PM my boss and tell him I'm fired.

timn posted:

If you select a trader and right click the sector there is an import command which tells the trader to sell stuff to only stations in that sector. You can't tell them to do this for a specific station. However you can go to the trader's behavior tab and there will be an autotrade order there for the import command. You can expand that order and edit the wares list to make the trader only fetch what you want to supply to the specific station.

This works pretty well to automatically keep wharfs and shipyards supplied, but deleting the extra wares from the list is a horrible amount of clicking and you have to do it for every single trader individually as far as I can tell.

Hence, I'm asking if there's any better way to do this cause I have a fleet of 30 traders and capital ships to get built.

Are you in the correct thread?

GHOST_BUTT
Nov 24, 2013



Fun Shoe



All of a sudden there's really cool stuff out in deep space.

Dogeh
Aug 30, 2017

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Miguel Prado posted:

Servers are back up. Do we have a squadron? Which I take it is a guild of some sort?

Have you joined Frogs yet ? https://forums.somethingawful.com/s...hreadid=3773251

Skyarb
Sep 20, 2018




Are there any tutorial missions that give you a ship with the new scanner stuff, I want to make sure all my bindings are appropriate.

Rocket Pan
Nov 3, 2011

Anything can be sent, as long as it's less than 1200 bytes

Skyarb posted:

Are there any tutorial missions that give you a ship with the new scanner stuff, I want to make sure all my bindings are appropriate.

All ships have the scanner pre-equipped. You don't need to buy anything special.

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BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000


Avast!

Fun Shoe

You need to buy the surface scanner if you want to map planets though, but if you care about space stuff only you don't need any gear.

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