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tjones
May 13, 2005
Spire farming is extremely boring considering the goids won't attack back and you are scrambling to land shots before they warp and/or one of the group frags it with an overly engineered guardian build.

Unless you need the money, a more enjoyable time is with a few friends at a settlement fighting at the goid surface CZs. You can make a few hundred million lazily in a few hours without really trying. You can also repair at the station and take stacked missions in between the goid waves / while you repair.

If you have no friends I wouldn't worry as there are almost always small groups fighting at all the ones I've visited. The meta is still over engineered guardian builds but you can have just as much fun with a scanner and a few AX multis and missile racks.

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Eyud
Aug 5, 2006

It may not be the most exciting thing but a billion an hour is pretty compelling

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.
Yeah I played for about an hour last night in the axi private group and made an easy billion with six to ten other pilots just cleaning house at a spire site. It's not exactly combat except for when a cyclops jumps in. With that many people they go down super fast. I took more damage from caustic than anything else.

Inspector Hound
Jul 14, 2003

It's any of the ax stuff still around in the console version? If I'm really stuck on an island now, I might finally make a ship for fighting aliens.

Axel Serenity
Sep 27, 2002
The Thargoid stuff is really fun right now, for sure. I'm still new, so I don't know how the salty vets feel about it, but I did my first evac missions the other night and actually popped into Open for the first time. It was absolutely wild screaming down to the landing pad while hellfire and lasers are going off everywhere around you and chat is going ham. If you're going to the targeted systems from the AX Initiative, there's a lot of people even if you aren't in a wing.

Can't wait for the fighters to take back control of some of the systems around Leigong so I can try and pop in to do my meager damage for Arx when the actual assault begins.

tjones
May 13, 2005

Inspector Hound posted:

It's any of the ax stuff still around in the console version? If I'm really stuck on an island now, I might finally make a ship for fighting aliens.

I believe AX CZs are thrown around from time to time still, and they may occassionally run CGs that service those events? I know they did at one time post console cutoff. If you can't find any AX CZs there are always the signal sources you can seek out around Asterope.

You're not going to find any titans, spire sites, the new thargoid variants, or surface AX CZs, but there still were AX CZs and signal sources as of sometime mid to late last year when I last logged into console. I'd wager nothing has changed.

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer
:lol: so, good news, bad news for people who want to try out the new Python 2:

1.) a recent Frontier-video gives us some in-game footage of the ship, so it's nearly ready, and coming definitely before Summer, as it is part of update 18 (and Summer is update 19)

2.) the actual release of the Python 2 is dependent on player action, as it is part of the ongoing story line, the video heavily hinted that the faster players destroy the remaining titans, the faster the new ship arrives

And yeah, the Python 2 will be a combat specialist, with Frontier balancing it for PvP. So probably barely enough jump range to get to the nearest star, multiple modules slots locked to military modules only, etc.

I'm also not sure about the look of it, I think I prefer the original Python more. But I guess we'll have to wait patiently until the final titan blows to know more

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.
My assumption is that there will be a CG to get materials from the caustic clouds left by the titan explosion that will lead up the python V2 release. I doubt it'll wait until all the titans are destroyed.

smug jeebus
Oct 26, 2008
Just got four samples off on one planet, thanks again for all the advice!

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

smug jeebus posted:

Just got four samples off on one planet, thanks again for all the advice!

:lol:, what a coincidence I've just stumbled over two twin planets with 9 different species (5 on one, 4 on the other) and confirmed that yes, the slightly darker light blue inside the light blue areas do not conform to higher degrees of population, as I claimed earlier.

Differences in shade also did not conform to different topography, to my own surprise. (I just had accepted that I had been wrong there.) Looks like my earlier explanation was at least half-right in that: My first attempt to land just failed utterly, as the same light blue shade covered what turned out to be a mountain range more twisted than Mordor, and the game just gave no shits about differentiating that. A second landing attempt in the exact same blue soup but with a landing vector carefully aiming away from Mordor Mountains set me down on a hilly wasteland, with enough space for my fat Phantom to land.

No idea why the game decided that mountains and hills should have the exact same shading. Though it's possible the game counted the hills still as part of the mountain range. :shrug:

After that, it turns out my target was mixed in with two other species, and I nabbed 3 out of 5 samples. And gently caress the others -they seem to be some kind of fungus growing in Mordor, and as I can't even land there, I guess I have to try on the twin planet next.

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer
The story continues:

The newest community goal is on course to achieve less than 4% completion of even the lowest rank, and :frontear: is so desperate for players to join in, even a single item delivered will grant you new Chieftain-skins. Very nice!

The bad thing is: They want 1 million of an item a player can only get by rifling through a dead titan's pockets, and it's rare, so you probably only get one at a time, or at least a very low number per time played.

Consequently, we will face another farcical giant-failure-turned-success-by-dev-fiat, as always. :frontear: delivers. :shepface:

Do the people working for Frontier have a humiliation fetish, or something? Overestimating the player base over and over again like this shouldn't be possible anymore, it's like the poor bastards lack any kind of pattern recognition.

Sair
May 11, 2007

Passing the first tier is a success, and that was set really low. It's obviously just a way to give a reward to people for the Titan stuff without requiring combat.

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Sair posted:

Passing the first tier is a success, and that was set really low. It's obviously just a way to give a reward to people for the Titan stuff without requiring combat.

Might have been a bad idea, because today participation has cratered even more. The projected end completion is down to 2% from 4%.

Anyway, I'd like my reward given in a non-stupid way, if possible.

Sair
May 11, 2007

It's just a little event running for two weeks to encourage some participation. In what world does the completion percentage matter?

alexandriao
Jul 20, 2019


Sair posted:

It's just a little event running for two weeks to encourage some participation. In what world does the completion percentage matter?

Heavily indicative of how many people are participating in Frontier's bullshit.

Like, the company has touted this event as a main part of this season's plot. If they can't even successfully run an event like that, with "major bonuses" behind it, then like what does that say about their ability to be connected to and manage the community.

alexandriao
Jul 20, 2019


Personally it's really funny to me that i posted 3 paragraphs on Steam about how bad the codebase must be if they haven't come out with a new ship, it gets removed a month later, and then many months later they start touting a new ship. I can't say either way but it would be incredibly funny if my comment was escalated by a community manager. The timeline is about what you'd expect for a middle manager losing his poo poo and putting a new ship on the jira board lol

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.
I've enjoyed the titans and the gameplay surrounding them. The current CG is fine and I have never understood why people want something out of this game that it will never provide.

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

I've enjoyed the titans and the gameplay surrounding them. The current CG is fine and I have never understood why people want something out of this game that it will never provide.

If by "what it will never provide" you mean a developer looking like they can make sane decisions, then yes, I guess that's on me. I should never trust :frontear: to do anything competently, and just continue to enjoy the parts of the game I actually play. :lol:

mekyabetsu
Dec 17, 2018

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

I've enjoyed the titans and the gameplay surrounding them. The current CG is fine and I have never understood why people want something out of this game that it will never provide.

Sorry, if you want to talk about enjoying this game in any way, this isn’t the thread for you.

mekyabetsu
Dec 17, 2018

also

alexandriao posted:

Personally it's really funny to me that i posted 3 paragraphs on Steam about how bad the codebase must be if they haven't come out with a new ship, it gets removed a month later, and then many months later they start touting a new ship. I can't say either way but it would be incredibly funny if my comment was escalated by a community manager. The timeline is about what you'd expect for a middle manager losing his poo poo and putting a new ship on the jira board lol

alexandriao posted:

i posted 3 paragraphs on Steam about how bad the codebase must be

lmao

alexandriao
Jul 20, 2019



yeah its the only comment I've made on steam to this day, i will fully admit that most of what i do is sheer loving bordom because my brain requires medication i don't have to do anything meaningful lol

zxqv8
Oct 21, 2010

Did somebody call about a Ravager problem?
Folks, I made a short film for this here video game that I think you all would appreciate seeing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2jxdPduOOA

Please enjoy.

Dishwasher
Dec 5, 2006

Congratulations on not getting fit in 2011!
So is trading dead now with all the third party tools being KIA? Is the only option reddit fire sales on carriers, which is also fine?

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Dishwasher posted:

So is trading dead now with all the third party tools being KIA? Is the only option reddit fire sales on carriers, which is also fine?

Here's my dirty secret: When I'm trading, I'm mostly using the in-game tools nowadays. At most, I look up what I'm trading on Inara, to see what kind of price I can expecting.

I never used third-party tools and still got profitable trades. Conclusion: They were never needed in the first place.

super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009

zxqv8 posted:

Folks, I made a short film for this here video game that I think you all would appreciate seeing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2jxdPduOOA

Please enjoy.

Neat. Probably won't ever go there myself so I appreciate it.

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

Libluini posted:

Here's my dirty secret: When I'm trading, I'm mostly using the in-game tools nowadays. At most, I look up what I'm trading on Inara, to see what kind of price I can expecting.

I never used third-party tools and still got profitable trades. Conclusion: They were never needed in the first place.

They were a hell of a lot easier to understand than the in game tools though, especially at launch.

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Dabir posted:

They were a hell of a lot easier to understand than the in game tools though, especially at launch.

True, but them being helpful and now ceasing to exist doesn't mean trading as a profession suddenly ended. :lol:

Tommy the Newt
Mar 25, 2017

The king of the sand castle

Libluini posted:

Here's my dirty secret: When I'm trading, I'm mostly using the in-game tools nowadays. At most, I look up what I'm trading on Inara, to see what kind of price I can expecting.

I never used third-party tools and still got profitable trades. Conclusion: They were never needed in the first place.

The in-game tools were dramatically improved relatively recently and still aren't as good as using Inara. It's also worth remembering that when people talk about profitable trade, they usually mean relative to other forms of income, not just making some kind of profit. It's never been that difficult to find a profitable local route even just using intuition from station economy, but making 'competitive' money is a different story (and one that people may care more or less about).

Tommy the Newt
Mar 25, 2017

The king of the sand castle

zxqv8 posted:

Folks, I made a short film for this here video game that I think you all would appreciate seeing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2jxdPduOOA

Please enjoy.

I saw this in the discord already but it's really great, well done.

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Tommy the Newt posted:

The in-game tools were dramatically improved relatively recently and still aren't as good as using Inara. It's also worth remembering that when people talk about profitable trade, they usually mean relative to other forms of income, not just making some kind of profit. It's never been that difficult to find a profitable local route even just using intuition from station economy, but making 'competitive' money is a different story (and one that people may care more or less about).

sometimes I think capitalism is a disease

Tommy the Newt
Mar 25, 2017

The king of the sand castle
Sure, but Elite is dystopian capitalism, the simulator. Both diegetically and in its awful Thatcherite game design. People mostly want to make cash to achieve something not just turn a modest profit doing trade for the sake of it. People who enjoy trade in elite simply as a meditative or roleplay loop have always been relatively happy with the process, but not everyone is doing it with the same motivations.

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea
It has always been weird that you can't call ahead and go "Hey, you got lasers in stock? What's the price of fish 'round your way?"

What are all these data delivery missions doing

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009



The impression I get is that there's not supposed to be any kind of FTL communication in the Elite universe, except for what gets transported around like messages in bottles on spaceships.

Of course, this kinda breaks down with players having having team text/voice comms, as well as system and squadron text chat, but it's not like they could've left those out.

DonVincenzo
Nov 12, 2010

Super Monster
The Absolute Guardian of the Universe
Friend of All Children
Imagine only being able to communicate with people you instance with.

FishMcCool
Apr 9, 2021

lolcats are still funny
Fallen Rib

BlankSystemDaemon posted:

The impression I get is that there's not supposed to be any kind of FTL communication in the Elite universe, except for what gets transported around like messages in bottles on spaceships.

Of course, this kinda breaks down with players having having team text/voice comms, as well as system and squadron text chat, but it's not like they could've left those out.

And criminal acts being recorded galaxy wide the instant you commit one. And GalNet. And your respawn/holopresence/cloning/whatever on death. Frontier didn't bother much with internal consistency, FTL comms are just one example.

Inspector Hound
Jul 14, 2003

The in game tools only work for systems you've been to, probably recently, and onionhead gamma doesn't show up on the list of commodities for me. Conclusion: more mining while I listen to Terence McKenna lectures

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

BlankSystemDaemon posted:

The impression I get is that there's not supposed to be any kind of FTL communication in the Elite universe, except for what gets transported around like messages in bottles on spaceships.

That happens all the time though

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.



don't ask how i know

Dinosaur Gum

Gort posted:

That happens all the time though

The "original in-universe lore as applied to gameplay" versus where the game currently gets weirder as time goes on and people (or at least, developers) care less about it, especially post-odyssey. Fighters and SRVs can blow up because they're "telepresence" even though your physical body gets in and out of the SRV now, ship transfers can take hours or days for "immersion reasons" but carrier escape pods eject you from one side of the galaxy to the other instantly, and there was a massively noisy subset of the community that was complaining about post-odyssey HUD elements because previously all HUD elements were "part of your ship cockpit" and would get broken if the cockpit broke but the odyssey toast notifications didn't act the same way.

Oh and don't get me started on the bar glasses on outposts in a universe where artificial gravity doesn't exist, game is literally unplayable

Ursine Catastrophe fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Apr 6, 2024

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006
The new FSD Supercharger is a big ol yeehaw button, it obliterates your fuel supply super fast but you can make it to a planet 12,000+ LS away in under 30 seconds. It also causes tremendous heat damage.

I wonder what happens if you try to supercharge your FSD in a neutron cone while superboosting your FSD

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Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.
It seems pretty unusable at the moment, but the in game idea is that it is experimental and prone to be hazardous. There will likely be further CGs to improve performance, or perhaps the new ships will be able to use it more effectively.

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