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Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




Awhile back, in the chat thread, somebody linked to a list of top 100 Japanese movies. It was done by a Japanese magazine by polling Japanese people, and the result looked way different than if you had asked American movie fans/critics to list the best Japanese movies.

Which makes sense, it's rare for a non-English movie to be a hit or even get noticed in America. If nobody's willing to distribute it subbed or dubbed, it's basically doesn't exist for most Americans.

That got me thinking about the They Shoot Zombies, Don't They list Franchescanado linked to in the May Horror Challenge thread. It distills over 2,500 best horror movie lists into a single canonical list. There's not much about the methodology, and there's no mention of an attempt made to include lists made by non-English speakers. So I'm gonna assume that the vast majority of lists that went into it were in English. And that's born out by the results. Out of the 1,000 movies on TSZDT list, 49 come from South America, Africa, and Asia combined.

So that's got me thinking, has anybody put together a "non-biased" top horror movies list? I'm not sure how you'd do that, maybe getting, like, 5 English lists, 5 Japanese lists, 5 Nigerian lists, 5 French lists, and so on for as many languages as you could. I wouldn't be surprised if the final list had more American movies than any other country, just because America has such an old, big, and good movie industry. But I bet there's a lot of foreign horror movies that are really fantastic that nobody who doesn't speak their language has ever seen.

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Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




Adlai Stevenson posted:

I'm trying to find a way to say this without being cold and dismissive and maybe I'm going to fail but here it is:

Much like the SNES rom translation scene post-2003, I don't think there's too much water left in that well. Time and the internet have done a pretty good job of digging up scores of notable films from around the globe. Contemporary films with any amount of juice can easily get enough notice that the online community will keep tabs on it. Are there undiscovered gems out there waiting to reclaimed from the past? Probably, at least a few. That, combined with the spirit of your post, makes me want to see what lists different regions could come up with on their own regardless of what I'm saying here. And for a more-casual horror fan (like me) lists like that are a great resource to find new movies and finally check up on titles I've heard of but never taken the time to experience.

Basically, the dredging you're looking for has, I think, mostly already happened. But there's no harm, and potentially a lot of good, in continuing to collate that information and making it readily available.

I'm pretty much 100% sure you're wrong. Here is the list of the best Japanese movies as ranked by Japanese people. out of the top ten best Japanese movies, four of them aren't available in America.

Yes, the internet has made it way easier than ever before to access movies from around the globe. But it hasn't completely eliminated the barriers of film distribution and language.

And even setting that side, there's the issue of taste. The TSZDT they list combines as many lists as possible because people have different taste. No list compiled by a single person can be definitive because art always comes down to taste. That issue is magnified when you're going across cultures and languages. That's why I want a non-biased list. A list made up of the lists from 100 Americans and 100 French people and 100 Chinese people is gonna be way more interesting than a list made of the lists of 1,000 Americans. And it would get closer to an actual list of the best horror movies.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




Hell, just look at Tomie. Great movie, based off a classic comic, spawned seven sequels and a TV show. But nobody outside of Japan gives a poo poo about Tomie. So it's not on the TSZDT list.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




The War Game is a fake documentary about a nuclear attack on Britain. It was made for the BBC in 1965 but wasn't shown until 1985 because at the time "the effect of the film has been judged by the BBC to be too horrifying for the medium of broadcasting. "

so yeah if you want to watch a movie that will give you a feeling of existential horror, you can't beat The War Game

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




I'd assume most bigfoot movies

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




Guillermo Del Toro should make a Gyo movie

https://twitter.com/RealGDT/status/1153307871842459651?s=20

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




It's hosed up that we never got an American Tomie during the big American remake of Japanese horror movie wave.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018





Oh hell yeah! I've only seen one of that guy's movies, High Tension, but it was really good. Up until the last five minutes where he ruined it completely. But luckily the Tomie formula should be impossible to gently caress up.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




feedmyleg posted:

Don't get too excited yet, Quibi is that new nontraditional short-form network that's meant to capture Gen Z, so episodes are going to be like 3 minutes long.

One the one hand, Quibi as a thing sounds horrible. but on the other hand that format is perfect for Tomie.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




Didn't he go to jail for killing those people?

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




It's Jason

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




Origami Dali posted:

The real question is when you have to choose between Freddy from Freddy's Dead, Pinhead from Hellraiser Revelations, or Uber Jason.

smashing the Uber Jason button so hard I destroy the voting machine and my hand

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




T3hRen3gade posted:

I didn't know any of this, and it just made Skyrim that much more awesome.

Random question, but does anyone have any Australian-made horror recommendations? After I saw "The Babadook" I found another Australian gem in "The Loved Ones," which I also thought was great and never see anyone really talk about. A few years later I found the dark apocalyptic thriller "These Final Hours" on Netflix, and for some reason that hit me pretty hard. It was not an easy watch (none of these movies are), but it felt very poignant and original. I realized I haven't paid much attention to Australian horror and maybe I should, because based on those movies it seems like a lot of talented people are making great things out there. Anyone have any other recommendations?

e: vvvvv Guy Pierce AND Sam Neill?! Sold. I've seen the title pop up before, but didn't know who was in it or what it was about. Hell yes.

Lake Mungo is one of the best horror movies I've seen

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




Don't most revenge movies at the very least gesture towards the idea that revenge is bad?

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




I've decided that X-Cross will be the first movie I watch for the October Challenge because A: I want to watch X-Cross again, and B: I hope that by talking about X-Cross I can get someone else to watch it, thus making me no longer literally the only human on earth to have seen X-Cross

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




Tuxedo Catfish posted:

I think if you tally up all the various adaptations of The Count of Monte Cristo, you'd end up with a whole lot more movies that glorify revenge (or at least completely defang the ending) than the other way around.

If I tallied up all the various adaptations of The Count of Monte Cristo I'd probably get stuck on the anime that made him a 7 foot tall blue elf

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




I think the reason there are so many Bigfoot movies now is that all you need to make a Bigfoot movie is a costume and access to the woods.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




Basebf555 posted:

The Shining has a UHD coming out October 1st so you better believe it's gonna be included in my October Challenge.

Everytime I see someone talk about UHDs I have a little brain fart and think they said UMD. You're very excited to watch The Shining on your PSP next month

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




When I was a little kid UPN aired Alien Abduction: Incident In Lake County, in a "it might be real!" kind of way. It scared the poo poo out of me. For like a year afterward every night when I went to bed I would stare at my bedroom door, convinced that it would swing open and there would be an alien there

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




Ambitious Spider posted:

I rewatched that a couple of years ago. I wouldn't say it holds up exactly, but kind of impressive for a tv movie from the 90s. And it pre-dates blair witch and last broadcast when it comes to found footage too.

I rewatched it as an adult and I would say it holds up. Sure, there's the scene where they mysterious Alien technology is very obviously just a laser pointer. But it's got fantastic escalation, the acting isn't terrible, and it uses the found footage gimmick really well. I love how the alien's behavior makes total sense. They aren't hostile, they're just investigating the family. But from the family's point of view holy poo poo aliens are trying to get into our house.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




Any movie with a demon or a ghost in it is a horror movie, imo.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




Origami Dali posted:

Counterpoint, Ghost Dad and Little Nicky. I mean, they're horrific, but, yeah.

I don't make the rules, man.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




Can I get some takes on Tremors 5 and 6? Are there any redeeming qualities to them? I haven't seen them, and I'm thinking about doing the whole Tremors series for the October Challenge. But I'm worried that it'll just be three movies I like and then three bad movies wearing the skin of movies I like

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




Basebf555 posted:

I enjoyed Tremors 5. I didn't expect to because of Jamie Kennedy but I found him to be not that bad in this case. Tremors 6 was garbage though, and it felt to me like the Burt character just wasn't the same. But hey, if you're that far into the series I guess you might as well just finish it out.

If Tremors 5 is alright I might give it a go. Like, I know Tremors 3 isn't great, nowhere near the level of Tremors or Tremors 2, but I still like it.

married but discreet posted:

Here's my big unsorted bargain bin style list of horror that I might watch eventually, pick some good ones, or tell me to stay away from stinkers:

1cut of the dead, waxwork, raising cain, the innkeepers, children of the corn, brain damage, the house by the cemetery, spring, tigers are not afraid, night of the comet, bat without wings, butterfly murders, climax, oily maniac, lair of the white worm, black magic, black magic 2, rosemarys baby, the gift, cujo, graveyard shift, the vanishing, nothing but the night, images, two evil eyes, the book of birdie, exorcist 3, the great alligator, the killer on the phone, weekend murders, the other hell, les diaboliques, the bloodstained shadow, burial ground, voices from beyond, screamers, daughter of dead, caltiki the immortal monster, delirium, macabre, the crazies, a blade in the dark, possum,dominion, dead ringers, eyes of lara mars, vhs, maniac, satans slaves, the witch that came from the sea, terrorvision, evil of dracula, unsane, spontaneous combustion, world of kanako, the noonday witch, house on haunted hill, season of the witch, the gate, children shouldnt play with dead things, big bad wolves, night train to terror, it comes at night, sennentuntschi, spider baby, willow creek, escape from tomorrow, the greasy strangler, zombi, castle freak, hour of the wolf, all the colours of the dark

I enjoy the fact that there are two different movies called Oily Maniac and Greasy Strangler.

I haven't seen Escape From Tomorrow, but this review makes it sound like unwatchable garbage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38BiNsFFzcs

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




oriongates posted:

I'm bitter against Escape From Tomorrow because I had really high hopes for it and I found it pretty miserable. I've certainly seen worse movies, but I usually have a better idea ahead of time.

I also hate that the cool concept was squandered on such a mediocre movie...the guerilla filmmaking idea was really neat, but you've got only one chance to do that in Disney...they know the Streisand Effect well enough not to do anything the first time, but if someone tries this again you can bet they'll smack it down. So, I just wish that once-in-a-lifetime concept went to someone with a better idea.

In that review the lady points out that it's actually really easy to film in Disneyland. Because it's, you know, a vacation place. People film home movies there all the time. So it would be easy for someone to do the same thing again.

The problem is that now it's been done, so another movie couldn't sell itself with the same gimmick.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




drat, Ouija is not a good movie

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




Stink Billyums posted:

Ouija 2 is actually much better.

I can easily believe that. Ouija is the worst movie I have ever seen that involves a Ouija board

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




Yeah it's a very unrealistic movie.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




Just make all werewolfs look like the one from Kamen Rider Kiva



edit: that show also had the best vampire designs.

Gripweed fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Oct 4, 2019

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




The ideal werewolf is a big slightly demonic animal that you only call a wolf because that's the closet thing you can think of. Like some of the descriptions of the Beast of Gevaudan.

But nobody does that, they just make them people with wolf heads and scraggly fur

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




STAC Goat posted:

The problem with werewolves is too often people go with the "out of control, other person" thing where the human is a victim to the wolf. You gotta go with the "the wolf is my darker side and I'm being seduced by it" thing. That's got way more room for storytelling and fun.

But it also means you either need to make your protagonist the villain and have a strong hero in the wings, or build a strong enough protagonist for them to be a hero against. I think the formula just trips creators up in who is what role.

Similar but better would be to just make the werewolf a metaphor for being gay

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




Timeless Appeal posted:

Find me a picture of a werewolf that's cooler than Count Orlok

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




Another problem with werewolves is that they often model werewolf politics off discredited ideas about wolf behavior. If you write about a werewolf pack and say it's led by an "alpha" werewolf, you're just making yourself look like a fool.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




STAC Goat posted:

- Mummy is... uh... incest porn?

There's literally a genre of BDSM porn called "mummification"

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018





Yeah you've never accidentally released a movie into public domain by doing paperwork wrong, thus allowing hundreds of godawful 50 horror movie packs to include one classic to trick people into thinking the other 49 might be good too.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




Timeless Appeal posted:

Hypothetical Question: In twelve years, the CGI-ing dead actors technology gets so good to the point that Universal will release a new movie called House of Frankenstein that is filmed in black and white, made to look like a classic Universal Horror movie, and includes the Bella version of Dracula and Boris version of Frankenstein finally on screen together albeit through CGI wizardy. The movie is directed by whoever you feel like would be the best director and substantial money would be going to the estates of the original actors. Would you be into it?

Would it impact your opinion if Mads Mikkelsen was doing the voice of Dracula?

I would not be into that. That sounds like a dumb nostalgia grab, except everybody who would be nostalgic for those movies would be fifty years dead by that time. Even if they were giving a lot of money to Bela Lugosi's great great grandchildren.

gently caress Bela Lugosi's great great grandchildren, they didn't do poo poo. They shouldn't get a penny from this hypothetical movie.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




Have you guys seen Occult? because I just watched Occult and it kinda blew my mind.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




MacheteZombie posted:

It's pretty great

It's a horror movie that starts out Lake Mungo and ends up Four Lions, it's amazing

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




The opening scene of A Serious Man

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Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018




Slothful Bong posted:

Man, have had a wild october of horror/etc so far.

We've watched One Cut of the Dead, Tusk, Into the Tall Grass, Dude Bro Massacre III, Yoga Hosers, Southbound, Head Count, the 2018 Halloween, and a few others I can't recall. Many of them thanks to people talking em up here!

We loved OCotD, Tusk, DBM3, and Halloween, and found the rest decent if not bordering on good (minus Yoga Hosers, which was on a different level).

What are some additional anthologies/weird as balls horror movies we could watch?

I personally enjoy black comedy, body horror, psychedelic horror, and utterly bleak films, my roommate is the same.

We both liked Suspiria, Ari Aster films, Mandy, and whatever low budget nonsense we stumbled across, and I definitely lean towards the Park Chan Wook/Miike filmographies, whether horror or thriller.

I just talked about it, but if you want a wild, bleak, weird as balls movie with dark comedy and a dash of psychedelia, I'd strongly recommend Occult. It's on Youtube with English subs, I don't know if it's streaming anywhere else

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