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Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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Yes, but have you considered...that good thing is bad?!?

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Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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Bravest doesn’t have a point. Bravest never has a point. He just sees that something is popular and reverse engineers some pseudo-intellectual horseshit to justify being a petulant, contrarian jackass. Then, if people make the mistake of actually engaging with him and pick apart his horseshit, he just plugs his ears and yells “Nuh-uh!!!”

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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Mel Mudkiper posted:

You don't think there is a tangible sense of anxiety behind corporate ownership of the character behind the story?

No. That’s someone forcing a movie into a tortured metaphor to serve their puerile self-aggrandizing whining. Why would it be about that when several people have pointed out several themes that fit much better with what’s shown on the screen without having to invent behind-the-scenes tension?

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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Mel Mudkiper posted:

Multiple themes can exist simultaneously, just because one interpretation has merit doesnt mean all other interpretations can no longer exist

Hey, cool, that’s not at all what I said. Just because multiple themes can exist at once doesn’t mean all interpretations have equal merit.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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Mel Mudkiper posted:

I dont see why there is not a valid interpretation of the film as a metaphor for it's ownership other than you are mad at BotL

I’m not saying there isn’t a possibly valid interpretation along those lines, I’m saying BravestOfTheLamps is nowhere even close to making one, even given your ridiculously generous take on his semi-coherent rambling about insidious spider gods and exposed spider genitalia.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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Mel Mudkiper posted:

Nothing I quoted from BotL was about spider gods or spider genitals so I dont know what you are referring to.

I quoted a post about how Miles being tailored to exist as a product is part of the extended metaphor of the film itself.

That’s only vaguely related to what Bravest was saying, to the point of being useless. You might as well say the theme of the film is “movies”.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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The_Doctor posted:

Where do you guys keep getting this spider-god thing from?

Their asses.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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Mel Mudkiper posted:

Spider-Man Noir was bitten by a vessel of an ancient spider-god that wasn't radioactive so why is he there?

Also Japanese Spider-Girl was never bitten by a spider at all

checkmate libs

Who, exactly, do you think you’re getting one over on, here?

Congratulations, you’re a weird, pedantic dingus.

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Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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Mameluke posted:

What fun Spider-Folk who didn't make the cut for this one would y'all like to see in a sequel?

Spider-Punk. Also, Spider-Cop.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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Fart City posted:

I legit want Tobey Maguire to be in the next movie and have an extended dance sequence.

We don’t talk about that.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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https://youtube.com/watch?v=cgzNGZ0LErQ&t=0m30s

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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Phylodox posted:

We don’t talk about that.


Pirate Jet posted:

What is your argument here.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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Mel Mudkiper posted:

What narrative purpose behind the selection of the characters in the film exists beyond the arbitrarily of including them? If alt-Parker is meant to be aspirational, and Gwen is meant to be supportive, what roles do Noir, Ham, and Peni play other than "popular and funny"

Giving it half a moment’s thought, they very effectively illustrate the film’s main message, that “anyone can be Spider-Man”, even a prepubescent Japanese girl or a cartoon pig.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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Mel Mudkiper posted:

That's kind of BotL's point though, that they are there for reasons that are not narrative as much as the film's desire to be effective as a product for consumption.

A film and everything in it is a product to be consumed. Pointing this out serves no purpose.

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ok, but why the japanese girl and pig? If it could be anything, why them?

Because they are fun, diverse takes on the character. Why not a Japanese girl and a pig? Had they been anything else, you’d be asking the same question.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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Mel Mudkiper posted:

I would just like to express my firm and committed disagreement with this post and its contents

Nobody cares.

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Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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I Before E posted:

Peni, Noir, and John Mulaney all split the role of comic relief, and having all three of them there kind of does a disservice to what any one of them could have been if given the full role, and while I do enjoy all of them, if they'd trimmed it down to just Nic Cage, the one with the funniest C-plot, I wouldn't have complained.

Another “main” character would have threatened to steal focus away from the existing mains, though. Into the Spider-Verse is nicely lean and focused. The comic relief Spiders hint at the diversity that exists in the Spider-Verse, serve the film’s main theme, and provide levity. It’s actually amazing to me how effectively they were able to fit them in without the movie seeming crowded.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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I Before E posted:

Personally I'd rather have one well-built comic relief character than three half-assed ones

I really don’t think “half-assed” is a fair assessment. At all. There’s no failure on the storytellers’ part, here. They made a deliberate choice, one that better served the film. Taking away any of the lesser Spiders would have diminished the film, I think.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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hiddenriverninja posted:

And here I thought the internet was for porn.

The Internet taught us that everything is porn to someone.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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credburn posted:

Is there evidence of this in the film or is this speculation? Or, is this in adherence to the comic which already explains this... which now that I think about it sounds like it's kind of the obvious answer.

You hear Gwen’s voice and see a smaller version of the shimmering light of the accelerator’s portal.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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grieving for Gandalf posted:

that spider is from the dimension of Miguel O'Hara, Spider-Man 2099

If you’re talking about the fact that it says Alchemax on it, that’s the name of Kingpin’s company that ran the accelerator, not just the one in the 2099 continuity.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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ungulateman posted:

miles doesn't glitch because he's in his universe

???

But he might not stay in his universe in future sequels.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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Detective No. 27 posted:

I just realized that there were two movies last year that featured Peter Parker's death.

And one video game!

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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Detective No. 27 posted:

I haven't played the game yet. :(

You’ll die plenty.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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Olympic Mathlete posted:

This is what annoys me about BotL, he seems to be incredibly anal about meanings of words to suit his purpose without realising that lots of words have more than one meaning. It's a dipshit move and he's a lovely poster because of it.

This is a pretty common bad faith debate tactic, and I’ve seen it used from time to time in CD. Last time I checked in on the Infinity War thread a bunch of people were acting really smug about how the sequel was misusing the word “decimate”, completely ignoring the fact that it hasn’t meant “remove exactly one tenth” for hundreds of years and, in fact, probably never meant only that. It’s an easy way to score quick credibility points.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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grieving for Gandalf posted:

doesn't this become tiresome for you?

Why would it? He’s constantly getting exactly what he wants. You don’t stop doing something when it works.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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Spider-Man doesn’t fail at being a superhero at all. That’s just some bullshit unattainable standard BotL whipped up. A big deal is made about “Parker luck” and how Peter seems to struggle more than most heroes, but how in the hell does that make him less heroic?

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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Xealot posted:

What the gently caress are you talking about?

Here, a quick recap:



And vice versa.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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Who cares? He’s gone. Let’s get back to talking about how awesome representation is and all the adorable little 4-year-olds who’re gonna be freaking out in theatres about this movie.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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ungulateman posted:

the idea that kids should only be inspired by people that look like them is bad and promotes weird essentialist concepts of race that are totally foreign to me as a non-american

Okay. Nobody said that, though.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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Pirate Jet posted:

I didn’t even bring up BotL, you did. I was just agreeing that it’s dumb to claim that a random anecdote of a black kid enjoying seeing another black kid in the movie is a better topic of discussion than anything in the actual movie.

Representation is good, but it doesn’t excuse a movie from criticism.

First of all, happy kids are awesome and it’s always good to have fun conversations about them.

Second, I never said people shouldn’t talk about the movie. I said talking about happy kids is better than still talking about a pathologically dedicated shitposter who’s been exiled from the thread, which is an objective fact. Nobody’s forcing you to talk about kids.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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Pick posted:

It's not trolling. It's racism.

Porque no los dos?

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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Guy Mann posted:

I don't know if the site has an official age restriction or not but regardless I think Hogge Wild should get a 100,000 hour probation to spare him from wasting his childhood on this site and further damaging a developing mind that already struggles with something as basic as paying attention to a movie in a theater.

It would have to be 122,640 hours.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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SomeJazzyRat posted:

Stop letting the BotL re-reg poo poo up the thread with racism. Put him on ignore, let everyone know, and keep talking about how loving cool this movie is.

I think it’s fascinating that Prowler (distinct from Aaron) is a character who’s basically, like, 70% sound design. Visually, he’s not all that imposing at all; gangling of limb, goofy cape, ill-fitting mask. With the addition of a single sound, though, he goes from being laughable to utterly terrifying. There’s something primal and disturbing about that noise, and it’s great how effective it is.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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SirSamVimes posted:

I'd say there's also something about the way he moves that turns a design that doesn't appear that intimidating into something terrifying.

The way he moves is basically Batman (dramatic leaps/broody perching) with a bit of Wolverine (or maybe anime) thrown in (running hunched over with his claws extended). I don’t think that would have worked alone, though, since you’ve still got his character design actively working against you there.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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:D

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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Neo Rasa posted:

It's crazy how not even like two years ago Sony's Spider-Man movie concepts were still a laughingstock and now they dropped the best Spider-Man movie PERIOD by orders of magnitude and one of the best comic book movies ever made.

They’ve produced two of the best Spider-Man films within a span of a year and a half...and one inexplicably but undeniably popular Venom film.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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Harrow posted:

My only complaint is that I wish the movie had more time to develop Miles's relationship with Aaron. Even one more scene might have helped really solidify it before everything goes to hell. I don't know that I'd cut anything for it, though, so I can see why they didn't have enough time for that arc, but I wish they had.

Absolutely loved the movie overall, though.

I thought their relationship felt incredibly solid for how quickly they conveyed it. While Jefferson is critical of Miles’ artistic endeavours and dismissive of his doubts about school, Aaron is unequivocally supportive. That right there gives you such a perfect feel for their family dynamics.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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Zore posted:

I thought he was 15 and she was ten months older.

Pretty sure she said 15 months older.

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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Just picked up a copy from Costco for $24. Hurray!

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Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



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My friend took his 4-year-old daughter to it. I asked him if she was freaked out by Prowler because I, a 40-year-old man definitely was, and he said she had no problem with him but was terrified of Doctor Octopus.

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