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Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~
There are now less than 24 hours to submit your list for the TVIV Show of the Year thread! :supaburn:

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Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

Omg, I'm sooooooooo glad I'm subscribed to Reverb on YouTube and watch most of their videos. Their newest one turned me on to this band Covet, which I'm currently going gaga over and consuming every bit of material I can find of :swoon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKdsaRU2u8g

I know there's a Stupid Music poo poo thread in Musician's Lounge but there's no Awesome Music poo poo thread that I know of. But yeah, if you're into music on a technical level and enjoy consuming videos about technique and gear and occasionally getting turned on to a band you otherwise might not have heard of, definitely subscribe to Reverb! I don't even own a guitar anymore but I love watching all their pedal demo videos, and then yeah, something like this will happen and I'll find a new favorite band thanks to them!!!

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



Pillbug
Lifetime's documentary mini-series about R Kelly is extremely good and :smithicide: at the same time

InsensitiveSeaBass
Apr 1, 2008

You're entering a realm which is unusual. Maybe it's magic, or contains some kind of monster... The second one. Prepare to enter The Scary Door.
Nap Ghost

STAC Goat posted:


I had a kind of similar feeling when I watched a bit of the Titan Games tonight. Kinda cool premise, I can get behind watching jacked people with quick stories doing silly impossible poo poo for a bit. But then I saw it was two hours and I started to wonder what the actual time sink in this is and if it could really hold my attention that long and decided to bail and revisit another time.


For me, there has to be the right amount of progression or I just need something to watch at that given time. For an hour of TV, there's not much going on, only six events with the rock cutting promos in between (and they still cut one event for time). At least ninja warrior you get a ton of people and a handful get through most of the obstacles.

Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

HorseRenoir posted:

Lifetime's documentary mini-series about R Kelly is extremely good and :smithicide: at the same time
Are they rerunning the first couple episodes today? I wanted to watch it but I missed the first 2 I think, and isn't the last one on tonight?

Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkphlzT_YAo

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Schmoopie will remember this

Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

BTW, you can watch the first 4 episodes of the Surviving R. Kelly doc here if you login with your TV provider: https://www.mylifetime.com/shows/surviving-r-kelly

Episodes 5 and 6 premiere tonight starting at 9/8c.

OldSenileGuy
Mar 13, 2001
I binged the first three seasons of Catastrophe over the past week. It is A Good Show.

I was happy to see the fourth season starts in the UK on Monday. Does Amazon put them up on Prime as they air, or do they all drop when the season ends?

Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

Jesus Christ, Surviving R. Kelly is really upsetting :smith: Abusers like him make me sick. It makes me sick that he's not rotting in a jail cell right now. Ugh.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Being a bit behind the times, I've only just got round to the Young Offenders Christmas special. It was pretty good.

Toxic Fart Syndrome
Jul 2, 2006

*hits A-THREAD-5*

Only 3.6 Roentgoons per hour ... not great, not terrible.




...the meter only goes to 3.6...

Pork Pro
Can someone tl;dr this R Kelly thing? Everyone at work has been talking about it and I just don’t care to watch it...

Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:

Can someone tl;dr this R Kelly thing? Everyone at work has been talking about it and I just don’t care to watch it...
It goes into detail about R. Kelly having sex with multiple underage girls and features accounts from several of the women involved, about how they were groomed and the various ways he would repeatedly abuse them :(

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

I watched the first episode of History Channel's Project Blue Book, starring Aiden Gillan as J. Allen Hynek. It's as realistic a take on Project Blue Book as you would expect from the host channel of Ancient Aliens. I guess each episode is going to be very loosely 'inspired' by an actual UFO case, with emphasis on 'very loosely.' To give an account of just how realistic it is, the general plot is Majestic-12 runs Project Blue Book and inducts Hynek as a member, as he's stalked by Men in Black and encounters what seems to be an experimental program using psychic kids to communicate with aliens. Also the B-plot is apparently his wife being seduced by another woman who seems to be a KGB agent spying on Project Blue Book.

Personally I don't think it holds a candle to Taken but I'll probably keep watching it unless it gets aggressively bad. Gillan definitely doesn't give a gently caress, though. But Neal McDonough and Kenzi from Lost Girl are in it, and they put some more energy into their performances, even if they aren't in it all that much.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬



The R Kelly situation is the same as Saville, Cosby, CK etc. We’ve all known this poo poo for years and everyone’s just happy to look past it because they like the guys jokes, or music, or whatever and it’s only when it’s smashed right into our faces does anyone suddenly care, and it’s all pretense of ‘oh this is new to me’ when it really loving isn’t.

Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

EL BROMANCE posted:

The R Kelly situation is the same as Saville, Cosby, CK etc. We’ve all known this poo poo for years and everyone’s just happy to look past it because they like the guys jokes, or music, or whatever and it’s only when it’s smashed right into our faces does anyone suddenly care, and it’s all pretense of ‘oh this is new to me’ when it really loving isn’t.
It's not necessarily that it's new, but I don't think I was ever aware of the actual severity of what he did until recent years. I was a kid when he first got accused, and I don't know if my parents kept me away from the news about it or what, but I don't think I was even conscious of the pee tape until the Chappelle's Show skit, and even then I was fairly young. And like this doc says, that was played as a punchline when it came out, so I guess being so young and not fully knowing what had been going on, that's what I took it as until I got a little older and recognized the true hosed up nature of his crimes.

Had I been the age I am now when he first got accused and seen it in the news, I probably would've fully condemned him from day 1.

DivisionPost
Jun 28, 2006

Nobody likes you.
Everybody hates you.
You're gonna lose.

Smile, you fuck.
I mean, let’s just look at one of the lighter claims that an R. Kelly victim made in the first episode of the docuseries.

https://www.oxygen.com/crime-time/lizette-martinez--r-kelly-you-are-not-alone-miscarried-baby

Hope you’re not a big fan of the song “You Are Not Alone”

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



Pillbug
I knew about R Kelly being a piece of poo poo for a very long time but I didn't realize the sheer scope of how evil he is until watching this mini-series. Every episode features some really extensive stories of how R Kelly systematically destroys the lives of every woman around him, and the most disturbing thing about it is how increasingly organized, meticulous, and complicated his schemes get as the years go by. R Kelly is a real life supervillain.

Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

HorseRenoir posted:

I knew about R Kelly being a piece of poo poo for a very long time but I didn't realize the sheer scope of how evil he is until watching this mini-series. Every episode features some really extensive stories of how R Kelly systematically destroys the lives of every woman around him, and the most disturbing thing about it is how increasingly organized, meticulous, and complicated his schemes get as the years go by. R Kelly is a real life supervillain.
The imbalanced power dynamic thing they talk about in this series is so real. R. Kelly was abused as a kid, and instead of vowing to not let that cycle of abuse continue, he knew that was a way to have power over people and used it to abuse multiple people, perhaps doing even worse than what was done to him as a kid.

That's not to say that everyone who's abused as a kid goes on to abuse others. Far from it. I know some people who had horrible poo poo done to them as children and they're lovely people now who I don't believe would be capable of doing that kind of poo poo to anyone. But man, it seems like as soon as R. Kelly got his first taste of fame, that power went to his head and he began manipulating people in increasingly hosed up ways and kept doing it over and over again for at least a couple decades.

His brothers and his former manager and a bunch of other people all supported him back when he started out doing this poo poo, too, and it didn't seem to really cause people to turn on him until many years later, so I guess he felt extra confident because for the longest time, no one with any sway over him really told him what he was doing was hosed up. His brother is still like "I don't see anything wrong with what he did." in this series, so he definitely doesn't come from the most well-intentioned support system, not that that excuses his behavior.

Rageaholic fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Jan 6, 2019

Toxic Fart Syndrome
Jul 2, 2006

*hits A-THREAD-5*

Only 3.6 Roentgoons per hour ... not great, not terrible.




...the meter only goes to 3.6...

Pork Pro

HorseRenoir posted:

I knew about R Kelly being a piece of poo poo for a very long time but I didn't realize the sheer scope of how evil he is until watching this mini-series. Every episode features some really extensive stories of how R Kelly systematically destroys the lives of every woman around him, and the most disturbing thing about it is how increasingly organized, meticulous, and complicated his schemes get as the years go by. R Kelly is a real life supervillain.

This is all pretty disgusting and I didn't realize the magnitude of how lovely he is, but I am tired of people laying the blame entirely at the feet of the rapist when it takes a team of handlers to find, groom, and cover up these events. gently caress the whole system and everyone involved, they're just as guilty as R Kelly or Cosby or Louis CK.

isaboo
Nov 11, 2002

Muay Buok
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Chairman Capone posted:

I watched the first episode of History Channel's Project Blue Book, starring Aiden Gillan as J. Allen Hynek. It's as realistic a take on Project Blue Book as you would expect from the host channel of Ancient Aliens. I guess each episode is going to be very loosely 'inspired' by an actual UFO case, with emphasis on 'very loosely.' To give an account of just how realistic it is, the general plot is Majestic-12 runs Project Blue Book and inducts Hynek as a member, as he's stalked by Men in Black and encounters what seems to be an experimental program using psychic kids to communicate with aliens. Also the B-plot is apparently his wife being seduced by another woman who seems to be a KGB agent spying on Project Blue Book.

Personally I don't think it holds a candle to Taken but I'll probably keep watching it unless it gets aggressively bad. Gillan definitely doesn't give a gently caress, though. But Neal McDonough and Kenzi from Lost Girl are in it, and they put some more energy into their performances, even if they aren't in it all that much.

I didn't know this was on already. I'll happily watch this silliness :)

SunshineDanceParty
Feb 7, 2006

One Road. Two Friends. One Ass.

Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:

This is all pretty disgusting and I didn't realize the magnitude of how lovely he is, but I am tired of people laying the blame entirely at the feet of the rapist when it takes a team of handlers to find, groom, and cover up these events. gently caress the whole system and everyone involved, they're just as guilty as R Kelly or Cosby or Louis CK.

Society caters to people like that to an absolutely infuriating degree. Show us your dick girl at the Louis CK show is a god drat hero because at least someone in a crowd of people wasn't complicit.

Guy Mann
Mar 28, 2016

by Lowtax

EL BROMANCE posted:

The R Kelly situation is the same as Saville, Cosby, CK etc. We’ve all known this poo poo for years and everyone’s just happy to look past it because they like the guys jokes, or music, or whatever and it’s only when it’s smashed right into our faces does anyone suddenly care, and it’s all pretense of ‘oh this is new to me’ when it really loving isn’t.

Or maybe celebrity gossip being a trough of lowest common denominator horseshit that is less real than professional wrestling and porn combined meant that the signal to noise ratio was so bad that Dave Chapelle doing a sketch about R Kelly peeing on an underaged girl and South Park doing an episode about Richard Gere shoving a gerbil up his rear end held roughly the same place in most people's mind and it's only years later when victims finally have a platform to come forward with accusations directly to the public and are being taken seriously that people can look back and go "oh wow that thing that was printed in the same space as the latest Elvis sighting was actually real"

I mean, even Hollywood Babylon which is the cornerstone of salacious celebrity sex scandal expose is apparently hugely fabricated if you go by the latest season of You Must Remember This.

Guy Mann fucked around with this message at 09:27 on Jan 6, 2019

Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

Guy Mann posted:

and it's only years later when victims finally have a platform to come forward with accusations directly to the public and are being taken seriously that people can look back and go "oh wow that thing that was printed in the same space as the latest Elvis sighting was actually real"
Definitely. I mean I've thought it was very real since that exposé about him running a cult came out in 2017, but seeing the real victims share their very real, very similar sounding stories about how he preyed on them just hammers it home so much.

For me, the situation is similar to the recent Monica Lewinsky doc where she's telling her side of the story for the first time on TV. I'm aware that the specifics are different, but that's another news story I heard about when I was young about a guy preying on a young girl (not underage, but still young) and abusing his position of power and destroying her whole life.

I knew some of the general parts of that story from the news and various forms of entertainment around that time, but it wasn't until I saw Monica Lewinsky and her friends and family finally be able to tell the story themselves that it sunk in for me really how much of an rear end in a top hat Bill Clinton was about the whole thing and how different the media landscape was back then and how she was portrayed as the villain when really she was a young person who got into a situation without knowing how far it would go who was being taken advantage of.

Had she had the foresight to see where that situation would have taken her, I'm sure she would have avoided it at all costs (much like I'm sure R. Kelly's victims would have done the same), but foresight isn't something you often have when you're young like that. And plus, it shouldn't have been her responsibility to avoid the situation. It should have been Bill's to not prey on young White House interns in the first place.

I'm glad we're in the age of #MeToo, where women are finally starting to be able to come forward and be believed when they make accusations and that men are finally facing some consequences for their lovely past actions. Of course it's not perfect and not every woman is believed and not every abuser is getting what they deserve, but it's a huge step up from the last few decades when the abusers were largely given a pass and the victims were largely ignored.

Louis C.K. doesn't seem to have learned his lesson at all, for example, but Cosby got put away, and for as lovely as a lot of current events are and have been for a while now, at least we can take some comfort in that, because that probably wouldn't have played out like it did had it happened in a different era. It's a step!

Rageaholic fucked around with this message at 10:30 on Jan 6, 2019

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

One good thing is that they replaced Louis CK in that pet cartoon with Patton Oswalt and I'm always for Patton making more money.

Guy Mann
Mar 28, 2016

by Lowtax

Rageaholic Monkey posted:

I'm glad we're in the age of #MeToo, where women are finally starting to be able to come forward and be believed when they make accusations and that men are finally facing some consequences for their lovely past actions. Of course it's not perfect and not every woman is believed and not every abuser is getting what they deserve, but it's a huge step up from the last few decades when the abusers were largely given a pass and the victims were largely ignored.

Yeah, the real triumph of #MeToo is that accusers can come forward and be believed. There's still a ton of bullshit rumor mongering and a lot of lovely people have latched onto the movement as a way of discrediting people they have a grudge against (see: the term "sex pest" being a catchall for everything from attempted statutory rape to infidelity to flirty DMs while being held in the same regard as literal serial rape and sexual assault like the Weinsteins and Lasseters and C.K.s of the world) but in general so long as there's an actual accuser a swift and total de-platforming follows. Even in the case of Louis CK's brazen attempts at returning he's faced immediate backlash and his clandestine attempts at returning to the stage have rightfully been treated by a growing chorus of people telling him to pull his dick out and turning what he thought would be a triumphant return into his own personal hell if the many episodes of Louie about hecklers are to be believed.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
I wonder if we'll ever go back and do a post-MeToo re-revision of Michael Jackson, or if his legacy is basically secure now.

Edit: Wasn't the second or third ever episode of Boondocks about R. Kelly? Adam West was his defence attorney.

Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 13:01 on Jan 6, 2019

Toxic Fart Syndrome
Jul 2, 2006

*hits A-THREAD-5*

Only 3.6 Roentgoons per hour ... not great, not terrible.




...the meter only goes to 3.6...

Pork Pro

Wheat Loaf posted:

I wonder if we'll ever go back and do a post-MeToo re-revision of Michael Jackson, or if his legacy is basically secure now.

Edit: Wasn't the second or third ever episode of Boondocks about R. Kelly? Adam West was his defence attorney.

Essentially, but he was gay instead of a pedophile which opens a whole other can of worms...

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:

Essentially, but he was gay instead of a pedophile which opens a whole other can of worms...

Sorry, are you talking about Michael Jackson or the Boondocks episode?

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:

Essentially, but he was gay instead of a pedophile which opens a whole other can of worms...

Uh, MJ was into kids.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:

Essentially, but he was gay instead of a pedophile which opens a whole other can of worms...

I think you're mixing up two different episodes. There was an episode where R Kelly goes on trial and there was a different one about a rapper who was secretly gay.

Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo
I'm usually anti-christmas. But i'm glad the Finns take it as far as they do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBQfCHQ2yNU

Toxic Fart Syndrome
Jul 2, 2006

*hits A-THREAD-5*

Only 3.6 Roentgoons per hour ... not great, not terrible.




...the meter only goes to 3.6...

Pork Pro

muscles like this! posted:

I think you're mixing up two different episodes. There was an episode where R Kelly goes on trial and there was a different one about a rapper who was secretly gay.

Could be...I thought those were the same R Kelly-analogue character. :shrug:

SunshineDanceParty
Feb 7, 2006

One Road. Two Friends. One Ass.
Killing Eve establishs what it is so quickly. Sometimes you have to preface a recommendation with give it a few episodes but Killing Eve is not one of those shows.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

I watched A Very English Scandal on Amazon last night. I enjoyed it a lot. It was a great job from both Hugh Grant and Ben Whishaw, but also Russel T Davies - he wrote something that's probably his best work since The Second Coming, but whereas that was pure drama, this mixed really heavy dramatic aspects with some really, really funny bits too. Sometimes at the same time. It's als funny to watch knowing that Grant was RTD's first choice as the Doctor when he brought back Doctor Who, and wondering what that might have been like.

Guy Mann
Mar 28, 2016

by Lowtax

Wheat Loaf posted:

I wonder if we'll ever go back and do a post-MeToo re-revision of Michael Jackson, or if his legacy is basically secure now.

I mean he's been dead for over a decade now, at this point its beating a literal dead horse to no end other than morbid curiosity about a mentally ill child abuse victim's personal life.

Also if nothing else noted insane person and grifter Corey Feldman has spent most of his life ranting and raving about how Hollywood is literally season one of True Detective yet has sworn up and down that Michael Jackson wasn't a pedophile and never molested him despite him being a close friend and spending a lot of his childhood with him.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:

Could be...I thought those were the same R Kelly-analogue character. :shrug:

The R Kelly episode was directly about R Kelly. The gay rapper one was more of a generic thing (the rapper was named Gangstalicious) and I'm not sure it was supposed to be about any specific rapper.

Guy Mann
Mar 28, 2016

by Lowtax
Remember when The Boondocks did an entire episode about bringing Martin Luther King Jr to life so he could wander around and parrot Aaron Macgruder's opinions about how contemporary black culture is degenerate and then ended with him giving a monologue calling people the n word for watching BET.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
As I recall, that one ends with Oprah becoming president.

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Rageaholic
May 31, 2005

Old Town Road to EGOT

Guy Mann posted:

Remember when The Boondocks did an entire episode about bringing Martin Luther King Jr to life so he could wander around and parrot Aaron Macgruder's opinions about how contemporary black culture is degenerate and then ended with him giving a monologue calling people the n word for watching BET.
Man, I don't think I could revisit The Boondocks at all. I thought it was hilarious when it was airing, but I'm not sure I knew exactly why I was laughing at it. Every time I remember/hear about something that show did, it seems like the kind of thing that would have aged horribly.

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