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When we grab you by the ankles, Where our mark is to be made, You'll soon be doing noble work, Although you won't be paid. When we drive away in secret, You'll be a volunteer, So don't scream when we take you: The world is quiet here.  Netflix presents the third and final season of A Series of Unfortunate Events, based on the children's book series of the same name, following the adventures of the three Baudelaire orphans as they try to discover the mystery behind their parents' deaths while eluding the clutches of the vile Count Olaf. Consisting of 13 books and a few world-building supplements, the second season of the Netflix Original Series is adapting books 10 through 13, consisting of The Slippery Slope, The Grim Grotto, The Penultimate Peril, and The End. Along the way, our heroes will encounter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0DNuz3rt7g  Violet Baudelaire, the eldest. (Melissa Weissman) Inventive, a word which here means "able to create and build any contraption needed to succeed." Klaus Baudelaire, the middle (Louis Hynes) Well-read, a phrase which here means "able to read the contents of an entire library in one or two weeks." Sunny Baudelaire, the youngest (Presley Smith, voices Tara Strong) Sharp, a word which here means "possessing a pointed tooth for self defense."  Mr. Arthur Poe, the banker in charge of the Baudelaire estate. (K. Todd Freeman) Oblivious, a word which here means "unaware that the Baudelaires' lives are constantly in danger."  Count Olaf, a man after the Baudelaire fortune. (Neil Patrick Harris) Cunning, a word which here means "a vile man who cannot be trusted and who must be stopped at any cost."  Esmé Squalor, Olaf's right hand lady. (Lucy Punch) Fashionable, a word which here means "willing to do absurd, impractical, and possibly dangerous things because a magazine said so."  Lemony Snicket, the author. (Patrick Warburton) Our narrator, a word which here means "a man who knows more than he lets on." The series streams tomorrow, general Netflix spoiler rules apply.
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Watching now. Did the books establish that The Man With A Beard But No Hair and The Woman With Hair But No Beard were Olaf's mentors? I don't remember that. edit: I feel Olaf is a bit more buffoonish in this show than he should be; didn't the final book show that Olaf was actually well-read, and a lot of what he does is an act? IIRC his real motivation isn't riches but revenge. But here he's kind of an idiot and is actually greedy for money. Argue fucked around with this message at 08:59 on Jan 1, 2019 |
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Jan 1, 2019 08:46
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Argue posted:Watching now. Did the books establish that The Man With A Beard But No Hair and The Woman With Hair But No Beard were Olaf's mentors? I don't remember that. I think that's new to the series. I really like what they've done with the two characters. Expanding on them was definitely the right choice, since it would have been hard to keep them both mysterious and interesting in a visual medium.
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Jan 1, 2019 10:18
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I liked it, not quite as good as last season but it hit the high notes of Penultimate Peril pretty well. The way they reworked the elevator sequence was pretty effective, I thought. buuuuuut I think they bungle the ending. It's way too happy, there's a bizarre amount of resolution, and I don't think they sell the pivot in the way we see Olaf anywhere near as well as the book does. I think they also try to sell the island as being just another kind of wacky scenario, when the book suggests that it's really really not that. Plus their Friday is bad. Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 13:50 on Jan 1, 2019 |
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Jan 1, 2019 13:47
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More thoughts: (Penultimate Peril 2) hahaha they kept the Scalia joke (The End) Oh man I didn't recognize Peter MacNicol at all until my brother pointed it out Finished just now. Was pretty good, although I'm not 100% sure I liked that they answered pretty much every question, even the contents of the sugar bowl. I rather liked the ambiguity of the books. edit: ^^^^ Yeah, that ending was a bit too happy, but at least Lemony meeting Beatrice II was soooort of from the books. From auxiliary material, anyway.
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Jan 1, 2019 13:58
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Oh god gently caress off Carmelita you absolute cakesniffer 
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Jan 1, 2019 14:36
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Rarity posted:Oh god gently caress off Carmelita you absolute cakesniffer It's a small thing, but I love her very slow realisation that neither of her new "parents" want her.
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Jan 1, 2019 14:58
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"I'm figuratively and literally at my peak!" "It's more of a plateau." I love Henchperson of Indeterminate Gender.
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Jan 1, 2019 15:16
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Aw, Fernald got a happy ending 
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Jan 1, 2019 19:02
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I kinda expected there to be a lot more of a conclusive ending considering the series put a lot more narrative focus on the backstory and specifics of VFD as an organization and the people behind it, whereas it was more in the background of the books themselves, aside from the Beatrice Letters and the Unauthorized Autobiography, and those were more there for people who were specifically seeking it out.
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Jan 1, 2019 20:19
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Waffleman_ posted:I kinda expected there to be a lot more of a conclusive ending considering the series put a lot more narrative focus on the backstory and specifics of VFD as an organization and the people behind it, whereas it was more in the background of the books themselves, aside from the Beatrice Letters and the Unauthorized Autobiography, and those were more there for people who were specifically seeking it out. Well at least in this version we can be pretty sure the Baudelaires aren't dead, and the Quagmires didn't get eaten by the Bombinating Beast so that's nice. I do think maybe they should've gone further in one direction or another, towards resolution, or towards bleak uncertainty like the books, but overall I liked it a lot. I'm glad we finally have a complete film adaptation.
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Jan 1, 2019 20:45
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I'm only 3 episodes in an The Hook Handed Man and Sunny's interactions are my favorite
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Jan 2, 2019 04:35
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Oh an additional, slightly negative point: I like Alison Williams a lot, but that monologue she has to deliver at the start of episode 5... euuf.
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Jan 2, 2019 05:34
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Unauthorized Autobiography adaptation when? Or I guess maybe All The Wrong Questions, but I don't think that captured what I love about ASOUE so much, whereas Unauthorized Autobiography was a distillation of it (weird conspiracy bulllshit and dumb wordplay, mostly)
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Jan 2, 2019 10:06
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Since it's not a point I hear talked about enough, I'd like to mention I really love the Netflix series usage of leitmotif. Like how when two characters with their own leitmotifs interact, the background music blends the leitmotifs together, or how the leitmotif can be changed and twisted in ways to reflect the mood.
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Jan 2, 2019 16:54
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Even with how generally straightforward the ending was and how it basically answered everything, I still managed to run into an "ENDING EXPLAINED" video on Youtube.
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Jan 2, 2019 21:32
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I was mostly confused by the non-climax that was the ending of Esme; so in the book she just is in the hotel and that's it. No one knows if she's dies or has her comeuppances or anything. She's just a main focal point in the schism and a prime secondary antagonist....and the poof. And Carmelita just up and disappears into the ether as well. I guess the show makes it seem like they might have run down into the fires of the basement to look for the sugar bowl but that was more inference than straight out saying it. I don't know, just expected something more from that. Still I quite enjoyed the fact that the VFD were hosed up either way with their mentality of a noble end justifies any means, and that their leader was just a brainwashing coot who up and ran when his little club failed so he could manipulate and brainwash folks trapped on an island. Also, I might have missed the full gist of it, but what was that about Mr. Poe in the Baudelaire parent's diary on the island?
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Jan 2, 2019 22:34
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Found it rather odd that they took a series about how life is mostly an unsatisfying collection of unanswered questions and then answered all the questions.
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Jan 2, 2019 23:56
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The trolley gag is good.
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Jan 3, 2019 00:23
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Wait... I thought the parents survived the fire and were seen in season 1 escaping a prison, and the dad was Will Arnett. Did I sleep through something in season 2 were something happened to them or did they just forget about and drop that plot point?
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Jan 3, 2019 04:00
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Kung Food posted:Wait... I thought the parents survived the fire and were seen in season 1 escaping a prison, and the dad was Will Arnett. Did I sleep through something in season 2 were something happened to them or did they just forget about and drop that plot point? Those were the Quagmires, who died in a fire at the end of Season 1.
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Jan 3, 2019 04:10
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Kung Food posted:Wait... I thought the parents survived the fire and were seen in season 1 escaping a prison, and the dad was Will Arnett. Did I sleep through something in season 2 were something happened to them or did they just forget about and drop that plot point? Those were the Quagmire parents.
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Jan 3, 2019 04:10
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Waffleman_ posted:Even with how generally straightforward the ending was and how it basically answered everything, I still managed to run into an "ENDING EXPLAINED" video on Youtube. Every show is going to get those, no matter what. Easy money. 306: Ew, Olaf used to be with Kit? When did they sing that song? Was it the first season finale? 307: They managed to surprise me because early on I was about certain that the girl was Sunny. caligulamprey posted:Found it rather odd that they took a series about how life is mostly an unsatisfying collection of unanswered questions and then answered all the questions. I think that was intentional irony. They spent three years saying how horrible and uncertain everything was, and they ended it with a happy ending and questions answered. Lycus fucked around with this message at 12:23 on Jan 3, 2019 |
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Jan 3, 2019 06:38
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What was the schism about? Before the last episodes I thought it was because one side wanted to create and weaponize that fungus to stop things (kill people?) before they do bad things(?) and the other didn’t want to resort to murder. And that the hook hand man set it all forward by burning the laboratory. After the season it seems like the schism was because Olaf’s dad got accidentally murdered and then he held an unhealthy personal grudge for the rest of his life. Also am I suppose to believe that the sugar bowl just contained the sugar-fungus vaccine and nothing else and that there was nothing special about that particular bowl? Why couldn’t they have just put the sugar cubes/vaccine in, oh I don’t know, literally anything else like one of those cups sitting on the same table? It feels like there’s something missing because otherwise that’s a really dumb plot hole.
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Jan 3, 2019 17:45
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Boris Galerkin posted:What was the schism about? Boris Galerkin posted:Also am I suppose to believe that the sugar bowl just contained the sugar-fungus vaccine and nothing else and that there was nothing special about that particular bowl? Why couldn’t they have just put the sugar cubes/vaccine in, oh I don’t know, literally anything else like one of those cups sitting on the same table? It feels like there’s something missing because otherwise that’s a really dumb plot hole.
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Tiggum posted:I assumed that it was a formula written on the inside, because we saw them empty the sugar out before they stole it. I never considered that it could have been a recipe/formula, but if it were that makes even less sense. If you have the only formula for a fungus that will spread and kill everyone why would you have only one copy of it? Why wouldn’t they just broadcast it over the radio in code so that everyone else would think it’s a cookie recipe?
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Jan 3, 2019 17:58
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Boris Galerkin posted:I never considered that it could have been a recipe/formula, but if it were that makes even less sense. If you have the only formula for a fungus that will spread and kill everyone why would you have only one copy of it? Why wouldn’t they just broadcast it over the radio in code so that everyone else would think it’s a cookie recipe? A lot of things about the VFD don't make sense in that same way. All the hidden codes and secret locations. Having just one copy of the formula makes as much sense as anything else in the show.
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Jan 3, 2019 18:01
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The books imply that the sugar bowl contains a hidden recording device, and it's whatever's recorded on that device that Esme wants back. That's on top of it being used to store the antidote. So it's actually a multi-function McGuffin. Which, IMO, always made more sense to me. Edit: Actually, in retrospect I suspect that's fanon. Still pretty good though. Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Jan 3, 2019 |
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Jan 3, 2019 19:00
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Did the henchmen ever do anything evil besides being there to support Olaf, or did Olaf do all the actual murders?
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Jan 3, 2019 19:19
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Open Source Idiom posted:The books imply that the sugar bowl contains a hidden recording device, and it's whatever's recorded on that device that Esme wants back. That's on top of it being used to store the antidote. So it's actually a multi-function McGuffin. You're mostly right. In the Unauthorized Autobiography, a sugar bowl is listed as an optional component of the VFD disguise kit because it contains a hidden microphone. Esme herself seems to believe it contains some kind of secret information about the Baudelaires and Snickets, possibly information that could clear Lemony Snicket's name ("You know what it [the sugar bowl] means to the Baudelaires and what it means to the Snickets.” -- The Penultimate Peril). The End, meanwhile, heavily implies that the sugar bowl contains the antidote to the Medusoid Mycelium, a bioweapon that VFD created to eliminate the "villainous" part of the schism ("We’re attempting a botanical hybrid through the tuberous canopy, which should bring safety to fruition despite its dangers to our associates in utero. Of course, in case we are banished, Beatrice is hiding a small amount in a vess—" -- The End). This latter suggestion is easily the simplest "solution" to the question and one that the television series goes with. The books suggests it could be both but never commits because the unanswerability of questions is a major theme. My favorite fan theory was that the sugar bowl contained... nothing. Or at least nothing that still had value. The sugar bowl was just a convenient symbol of all the underlying dysfunction within the organization and hundreds of people died in pursuit of a plot device that had lost all its meaning years ago. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Jan 4, 2019 |
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Jan 4, 2019 01:10
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Am I a horrible judge of kid ages or is the Quagmire boy young enough compared to the Baudelaires that it’s jarring?
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Jan 4, 2019 02:43
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Lycus posted:Did the henchmen ever do anything evil besides being there to support Olaf, or did Olaf do all the actual murders? They get a lot less characterization in the books from what I remembered, and slowly died/left as the books went on instead. Like the Henchperson of Indeterminate Gender dies in the hospital instead, which is why I liked how they did a little call back to that in the show. But I'm pretty sure they were pretty much at the same level as Olaf until they left at the end, since they didn't shed any tears over the Librarian.
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Jan 4, 2019 02:47
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It's still kinda weird that Captain Widdershins is just not in the show.
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Jan 4, 2019 02:49
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Waffleman_ posted:It's still kinda weird that Captain Widdershins is just not in the show. Yeah, I think he'd have added some much needed grit to the Grim Grotto two parter. As it is, it's borders on being the most live-action Disney of the series.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Am I a horrible judge of kid ages or is the Quagmire boy young enough compared to the Baudelaires that it’s jarring? Nah he seemed about the same age as the bigger Baudelaires to me. My favourite scene so far involved Sunny and a hair ribbon. I almost perished of cute.
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Jan 4, 2019 12:32
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One of the little things that cracked me up in The End for some reason was Olaf repeatedly talking about the Baudelaires as a new henchmen.
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Jan 4, 2019 12:35
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What the hell was wrong with the Snicket parents, too. Jacques, Kit, and Lemony? Was he the oldest and they regretted their 'stupid name' policy later? Jeez.
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Jan 4, 2019 12:37
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Lycus posted:One of the little things that cracked me up in The End for some reason was Olaf repeatedly talking about the Baudelaires as a new henchmen. I thought for a bit that they might actually play Sunny taking after Olaf straight. She wouldn’t remember her real parents anyway. And it would mirror what we learn about Olaf towards the end- turning violent after losing so many loved ones.
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Jan 4, 2019 14:40
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Watched the last five episodes tonight. Enjoyed it. (Haven't read the books.) I'm glad it was a reasonably happy ending with a lot of answers.
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HopperUK posted:Nah he seemed about the same age as the bigger Baudelaires to me. I LOVED that. Real baby was a much better actor than CGI baby. I liked the ending. Big departure from the books but I think it was a very effective tv series.
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