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Synastren posted:Are you looking for player recordings, or are you looking for recordings of broadcast matches? Either/or. Just not looking unedited streams.
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# ? Jan 15, 2019 03:19 |
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# ? Mar 28, 2024 13:51 |
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https://www.pcgamer.com/amp/blizzard-will-show-off-googles-deepmind-ai-in-starcraft-2-later-this-week/ In a couple hours, Deepmind, the Google-owned AI company that developed the neural network that crushed Lee Sedol at go, will unveil their progress at developing a neural network that plays Starcraft 2. Details are light. Humans have remained dominant over computers in Starcraft so far, and most people seem to be expecting that they won’t yet have an AI that can take on top human players, but Deepmind has stunned the world in the past with their rapid progress. I’m very interested to see how far along they are.
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 16:49 |
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holy poo poo they're playing games against progamers
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 19:10 |
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TLO is the Fan Hui of StarCraft Over/under 6 months before they challenge Serral/Maru?
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 19:23 |
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Pengwin posted:holy poo poo they're playing games against progamers Of course it plays protoss. It's live on https://www.twitch.tv/starcraft
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 19:26 |
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Terran version is stuck at plat 2 of course
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 19:43 |
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This reminds me a lot of Has tbh
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 19:48 |
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Is it only trained for PvP? Kinda weird that they didn't get an actual pro protoss player
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 19:50 |
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It's somewhat impressive that it's beaten a pro player but offrace is a pretty large handicap even for a pro.
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 19:55 |
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super fart shooter posted:Is it only trained for PvP? Kinda weird that they didn't get an actual pro protoss player Oh poo poo they got mana, this is perfect
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 19:57 |
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Wow, that was nuts! Hope they get an even better pro!?
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 20:09 |
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Pengwin posted:TLO is the Fan Hui of StarCraft Under.
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 20:10 |
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Holy crap, this is amazing! I can't wait to see the offrace pro matches!
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 20:25 |
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Yoshi Wins posted:Under. Yeah I didn't expect them to be playing Mana and dominating. This agent in G3 seems to be the most advanced so far. Walling off, respecting ramps and forcefields. Haven't seen any little, clear mistakes that every other agent has made. Also, they haven't yet said who will play the live match(es). I'm guessing it's another unrevealed player, possibly a KR toss?
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 20:26 |
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This is really cool, although it sounds like each agent is a bit of a one-trick pony: only one matchup supported (out of a possible 9), only one map, and it sounds like one preferred strategy. Particularly for that last bit, I'd be interested in seeing bo5 or bo7 games against the same agent to see if it can adapt to humans adapting to what it likes.
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 20:33 |
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It’s fairly impressive, but I think they should cap the max APM. It’s spiking up to over 700 in these fights, and a human can’t actually make accurate moves at that rate. Still, it’s clearly learning very fast and does some interesting things.
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 20:45 |
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Seems like the problem is that the agents are really good at battles because they have perfect micro but they're bad at assaulting a defensive position? I feel like if Mana hadn't put so many stasis traps, there wouldn't have been an observer and the DTs could have done more damage.
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 20:45 |
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The conventional wisdom about assaulting defensive positions assumes you don't have inhumanly good micro
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 20:47 |
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Yeah, it's not surprising that stalkers are pretty OP when you can just micro like that
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 20:51 |
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Herstory Begins Now posted:The conventional wisdom about assaulting defensive positions assumes you don't have inhumanly good micro Yes, but even with inhumanly good micro on Alphastar's part, Mana was holding on very well for the defensive part of the match. Felt like he only lost when he tried to move out.
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 20:52 |
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Looks like it got confused in the live match, just doing weird poo poo that makes no sense.
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 21:13 |
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Alphastar bad at harass lol
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 21:14 |
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Yeah not so advanced there, bringing the whole army back to deal with 2 harassing units is a very traditional AI thing to do.
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 21:15 |
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Furious Lobster posted:Alphastar bad at harass lol
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 21:17 |
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Cicero posted:It's good at harass but bad at defending harass looks like Terrible at defending harass - it took like 5 trips of the warp prism to get it to finally realize there was an observer camping on top of it.
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 21:18 |
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Yeah and just in general I agree with the commentators, can't remember if it was Rotti or Artosis who said it, but AlphaStar looks considerably stronger on attack than defense in general. It looks somewhat trickable.
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 21:28 |
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I had to get back to work before the live portion. Who is the opponent?
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 21:56 |
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Yoshi Wins posted:I had to get back to work before the live portion. Who is the opponent? Mana again
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 22:04 |
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https://clips.twitch.tv/UninterestedDirtyLousePeanutButterJellyTime some nostalgia for the old zeezers thanks err
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 22:14 |
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Is there a place to watch this? Sounds pretty cool.
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 23:31 |
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Doctor Reynolds posted:Is there a place to watch this? Sounds pretty cool. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUTMhmVh1qs
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 23:35 |
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If you wanna jump straight to the games: First pro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUTMhmVh1qs&t=2660s Second pro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUTMhmVh1qs&t=5558s Live exhibition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUTMhmVh1qs&t=9067s
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 23:41 |
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Thank you! Very helpful.
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# ? Jan 24, 2019 23:59 |
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Cicero posted:Yeah and just in general I agree with the commentators, can't remember if it was Rotti or Artosis who said it, but AlphaStar looks considerably stronger on attack than defense in general. It looks somewhat trickable. This happened with OpenAI for Dota 2, too: the 1v1 AI was vulnerable to a particular cheese strat (creepcutting), and they lost both of their 5v5 showmatches at TI8 more or less because the agent never developed any notion of farm priority.
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# ? Jan 25, 2019 01:56 |
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I really wanted to see the AI cannon rush. Or see well it defends against one.
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# ? Jan 25, 2019 05:58 |
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The developers did a great job at limiting raw APM, but they need to limit useful APM. While human pros have more clicks than the AI, the AI still has a massive micro advantage, because human clicks are often wasted or imprecise.
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# ? Jan 25, 2019 06:53 |
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I think it'd be cool to see a no limits AI in action!
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# ? Jan 25, 2019 08:01 |
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golden bubble posted:The developers did a great job at limiting raw APM, but they need to limit useful APM. While human pros have more clicks than the AI, the AI still has a massive micro advantage, because human clicks are often wasted or imprecise. Someone throw Serral on that graphic
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# ? Jan 25, 2019 10:40 |
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golden bubble posted:The developers did a great job at limiting raw APM, but they need to limit useful APM. While human pros have more clicks than the AI, the AI still has a massive micro advantage, because human clicks are often wasted or imprecise.
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# ? Jan 25, 2019 11:46 |
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# ? Mar 28, 2024 13:51 |
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Until the deepmind team can accurately implement wrist pain, depression and disapproving parents, this alphastar farce proves nothing.
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