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MildShow
Jan 4, 2012

Its a Rolex posted:

Our nearby grocery store chain silently increases the price of items when you order for pickup. I was doing order ahead for a while until I realized $90 worth of groceries were costing us $120.

I wish it weren't that way, I loved picking groceries up during my lunch break

Grocery stores have to be careful when doing this - Safeway lost a class action lawsuit back in 2015 for upcharging online prices. Generally speaking, you'll only see this when they outsource the labor / platform to a third-party like Instacart.

MildShow fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Mar 15, 2025

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asur
Dec 28, 2012

This is entirely too much.
My understanding of restaurants doing it is because the apps charge a percentage of the total order to the restaurant that isn't shown in the fees to a customer.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Its a Rolex posted:

Our nearby grocery store chain silently increases the price of items when you order for pickup. I was doing order ahead for a while until I realized $90 worth of groceries were costing us $120.

I wish it weren't that way, I loved picking groceries up during my lunch break

Yeah, I definitely noticed prices online being substantially higher than in-person prices the few times I used the delivery or pickup services. Also, sometimes the substitutions were nonsensical.

Soul Dentist posted:

Restaurants do this on doordash too. Every menu item is more expensive than in person even before taking fees into account
The price of ordering online for a restaurant up the street from my apartment was 40% higher than when I called in, and this was for pickup.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

DACK FAYDEN posted:

honestly, I'm skeptical even then - I've seen enough things said about marketing that are blatantly untrue that I don't even know if I believe in the name-recognition effect of being the only person marketing in an entire market sector at this point

like is there actual research backing this up, that's been replicated? because everything I've seen is fuckin thaler-and-sunstein-and-kahneman replication crisis bullshit

edit: about five minutes after posting this, I thought about TurboTax vs the government's free file

Okay, this is from a few pages ago, but nobody addressed it: it's not "TurboTax vs. the government's free file;" it's "TurboTax vs. the software TurboTax designed for the government to compete against TurboTax." The government's free file just came out a year ago, it's called Direct File, and other than it being a limited pilot that is only available in a handful of states and can't do itemizing yet, it is by most accounts pretty good.

DOGE just fired the team that designed it, though.

an iksar marauder
May 6, 2022

An iksar marauder glowers at you dubiously -- looks like quite a gamble.

Ham Equity posted:

DOGE just fired the team that designed it, though.

God you guys got sold down the river hard

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost
thats why i hate peeps calling treasuries the risk-free rate. the sovereign debt of any country with republicans cannot be called risk-free.

drk
Jan 16, 2005

bob dobbs is dead posted:

thats why i hate peeps calling treasuries the risk-free rate. the sovereign debt of any country with republicans cannot be called risk-free.

risk free doesnt literally mean zero risk it just means it is considered the lower bound of risk

but also its only really referring to risk of loss of principal. obviously even if the government never defaults, buying treasuries has interest rate risk, inflation risk, etc

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost
can't even call em the lower bound of risk, frankly

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...
1 year ago, if I suggested that a 20 year old nicknamed "BigBalls" was part of an unelected team who performed unknown actions on sensitive government servers, and who only doesn't have access to the treasury because someone grew a spine somewhere, I would have called it ridiculous.

1 year ago, I was also certain that if there was a risk of T-bills having a lower rating, it would be because Trump decides to declare any foreign owned debt to be void, rather than a 20 year old nicknamed "BigBalls" gaining access to the treasury and "fixing" the code that sends out payments.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

mrmcd posted:

This is also gonna make me sound like I'm a million years old, but I think a lot of people in their 20s were genuinely never taught how to do basic grocery shopping, cooking, and meal planning. If delivery apps and takeout places just keep jacking up the fees they're just like "wow it's so expensive to even eat at home now."

I'm not surprised, a lot of boomers and boomer brained actively refuse to teach their kids basic skills and throw tantrums if they try. Then complain about kids not knowing those basic skills.


Pretty sure this dude is literally just going
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkz8BLBJ9_I

blackmet
Aug 5, 2006

I believe there is a universal Truth to the process of doing things right (Not that I have any idea what that actually means).

Volmarias posted:

1 year ago, if I suggested that a 20 year old nicknamed "BigBalls" was part of an unelected team who performed unknown actions on sensitive government servers, and who only doesn't have access to the treasury because someone grew a spine somewhere, I would have called it ridiculous.

1 year ago, I was also certain that if there was a risk of T-bills having a lower rating, it would be because Trump decides to declare any foreign owned debt to be void, rather than a 20 year old nicknamed "BigBalls" gaining access to the treasury and "fixing" the code that sends out payments.

If you would have told me in 2000, as I was graduating high school, that in 2016 I would be choosing between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton (yes, THAT Donald Trump and THAT Hillary Clinton) for president, I would have taken my mom's suggestion to get an international business degree way more seriously.

Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

TFW you see Flyers goaltending.
Grimey Drawer
PMChem is probably sighing as they reach for the probation button upon seeing another current event politics derail in BFC (which I am guilty of doing many times for the record).

Buffoons Wronging Modernity: purposefully crashing the Gov and Economy to own the Libs

Or

buffoons Wronging Modernity; PMChem sighs as he reaches once again for the probation button

Ralith
Jan 12, 2011

I see a ship in the harbor
I can and shall obey
But if it wasn't for your misfortune
I'd be a heavenly person today
Bungling World Markets

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
In my career I get asked a lot of tax questions. There are enough themes in the misconceptions that I have a pretty good guess where people got them from, whether it's boomer received wisdom or TikTok grindset people.
The first group is usually things that were correct or almost correct 30 years ago and they either heard it from their peers or their parents. The answer here is usually "that used to be correct/apply to your situation, but the current law and rulings make that not so anymore".
The second group is younger people who saw a 30 second clip of someone explaining one weird trick your accountant doesn't know about to save on taxes. The answer here is usually "that works under a narrow set of circumstances and more fine print than can fit in a 30 second explanation" and it's almost always a difficult to justify position. It's not that your accountant didn't know about it, what's more likely is your accountant didn't mention it because it doesn't apply. Unsurprisingly, this group never wants to pay for an actual expert's time. They're the tax profession's equivalent of the people telling their doctor they've done their own research and are going to treat their diabetes with organic smoothies, ayahuasca, meditation, and ayahuasca meditation.

Straight up cheating on your taxes and hoping you don't get caught by the extremely underresourced IRS isn't a smart idea, but it is has proven to be an effective idea for many people.

PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!

Does it count as someone being bad with money if they're so desperate they ask an employee where they're shopping (me) for help on how to commit insurance fraud?

At the very least I suppose it implies that their life might be full of BWM decisions.

Oil!
Nov 5, 2008

Der's e'rl in dem der hills!


Ham Wrangler

canyoneer posted:

Straight up cheating on your taxes and hoping you don't get caught by the extremely underresourced IRS isn't a smart idea, but it is has proven to be an effective idea for many people.

Avoiding taxes brings you so close to the sun (IRS) that you will get caught eventually. But as of 2025, is is less likely.

Borscht
Jun 4, 2011
I think a rebuild of the institution will take more than 7 years so cheat on your 2024s I guess.

ChickenOfTomorrow
Nov 11, 2012

god damn it, you've got to be kind

Borscht posted:

I think a rebuild of the institution will take more than 7 years so cheat on your 2024s I guess.

https://nwtrcc.org/

drk
Jan 16, 2005

Oil! posted:

Avoiding taxes brings you so close to the sun (IRS) that you will get caught eventually. But as of 2025, is is less likely.

I have to imagine the IRS already has the ability to automatically flag certain things as candidates for further review but they just dont have the staff to do it.

At some point, verifying every dollar of a return requires an audit, especially if it involves unusual (but not necessarily fraudulent) deductions or something

drk
Jan 16, 2005


lol, they literally have pdfs with instructions on doing tax fraud

AmiYumi
Oct 10, 2005

I FORGOT TO HAIL KING TORG

blackmet posted:

If you would have told me in 2000, as I was graduating high school, that in 2016 I would be choosing between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton (yes, THAT Donald Trump and THAT Hillary Clinton) for president, I would have taken my mom's suggestion to get an international business degree way more seriously.
If anyone had told me that twelve years of my life would be Hillary/Trump, Biden/Trump, Biden/Trump, the last thing going through my mind wouldn't be international business it'd be a bullet

Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸

mrmcd posted:

This is also gonna make me sound like I'm a million years old, but I think a lot of people in their 20s were genuinely never taught how to do basic grocery shopping, cooking, and meal planning. If delivery apps and takeout places just keep jacking up the fees they're just like "wow it's so expensive to even eat at home now."
It makes your sound a million years old because my now spouse was raised in an order in house and we're both a lot older than 20.

I'm not complaining, my amazing powers of "throw stuff in a pot and add flavours until it tasted acceptable" were a big part of the wooing process and the other day they served me a delicious dinner where I failed to guess the secret ingredient was kumquats.

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe

drk posted:

lol, they literally have pdfs with instructions on doing tax fraud



One weird trick, IRS agents hate it.

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!

drk posted:

lol, they literally have pdfs with instructions on doing tax fraud



withak posted:

One weird trick, IRS agents hate it.

Doesn't this just make them underwithhold and then they get charged with underwithholding penalties and interest?

E: Is it tax fraud to mess around with your W4 to get it to withhold (or not withhold) numbers more to your liking? Lots of people just used to "claim 0" or whatever to overwithhold, and I've heard that people can adjust their W4 to withhold less to balance out extra withholding due to a bonus or whatever.

Guinness
Sep 15, 2004

Boris Galerkin posted:

E: Is it tax fraud to mess around with your W4 to get it to withhold (or not withhold) numbers more to your liking? Lots of people just used to "claim 0" or whatever to overwithhold, and I've heard that people can adjust their W4 to withhold less to balance out extra withholding due to a bonus or whatever.

No it is not fraud to adjust your withholding to target net zero at return time.

However if you under withhold by a lot you will likely owe penalties. Some exceptions exist but generally you want to be withholding roughly inline with what you’ll owe at the end of the year.

Of course they don’t care if you way over withhold, which is all that a tax refund is - you paid too much throughout the year and you are getting the overage back. The system is understandably setup so the “default” for most wage earners is to slightly over withhold because people can’t generally be trusted to be able to pay a “surprise” tax bill. Again exceptions abound, and it doesn’t mean you have to do it that way.

Guinness fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Mar 16, 2025

rjmccall
Sep 7, 2007

no worries friend
Fun Shoe
Yeah. You are responsible for paying an appropriate amount of taxes on your income on a quarterly basis. There’s some slack built into that, but only some. If you game your paycheck withholding to zero and then just send in an estimated tax check every three months, AFAIK that’s legal, but if you don’t send in those checks, you will get fined when taxes come due. I’m pretty sure that does not require agent attention and is completely automated, so the IRS being defunded will not help you there.

rjmccall fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Mar 16, 2025

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you

rjmccall posted:

Yeah. You are responsible for paying an appropriate amount of taxes on your income on a quarterly basis. There’s some slack built into that, but only some. If you game your paycheck withholding to zero and then just send in an estimated tax check every three months, AFAIK that’s legal, but if you don’t send in those checks, you will get fined when taxes come due. I’m pretty sure that does not require agent attention and is completely automated, so the IRS being defunded will not help you there.

Yeah the magic phrase there is "substantially equal periodic payments". To avoid penalties you need to hit the lesser of 100% of last year's tax liability or 90% of the current year's tax liability. You know last year's for sure, but guessing in April what your full year current tax liability will be is gonna be hard for most people.

In practice the safe thing to do is to make equal quarterly payments to sum to 100% of last year's tax liability.

olylifter
Sep 13, 2007

I'm bad with money and you have an avatar!

TheMopeSquad posted:

This depresses me because I just remembered there was an Arby's a block from my house, a Pizza Hut and Taco Bell too, all gone now. The Pizza Hut has been empty for about 5 years and I pray someday it will be a pizza place again. The Taco Bell is a "build your own instant ramen" place which is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Toronto had Arby's at at least two malls. Both gone at least 15 years now, the closest one is an hour in either direction from where we live in downtown Toronto.

If that wasn't bad enough we used to have a Wendy's right downtown. Now the closest one in either direction is on the outskirts of the city.

It's loving tragic. London's like 280k people and it has 4 Arby's locations.

poo poo now that I think on it maybe it's me. When I lived in Ulsan like 25 years ago there were four Popeye's, and then in the span of like 3 weeks they all randomly closed.

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe

Boris Galerkin posted:

Doesn't this just make them underwithhold and then they get charged with underwithholding penalties and interest?

E: Is it tax fraud to mess around with your W4 to get it to withhold (or not withhold) numbers more to your liking? Lots of people just used to "claim 0" or whatever to overwithhold, and I've heard that people can adjust their W4 to withhold less to balance out extra withholding due to a bonus or whatever.

The W-4 fuckery is just their recommended first step in opting to only pay a portion of your owed taxes as a form of protest. The end result will, of course, be more of your money going to the government to use to kill people than if you had just done your taxes accurately.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sausage.

Smellrose

withak posted:

The W-4 fuckery is just their recommended first step in opting to only pay a portion of your owed taxes as a form of protest. The end result will, of course, be more of your money going to the government to use to kill people than if you had just done your taxes accurately.

But I'm helping fulfill a nebulous end goal!

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

AmiYumi posted:

If anyone had told me that twelve years of my life would be Hillary/Trump, Biden/Trump, Biden/Trump, the last thing going through my mind wouldn't be international business it'd be a bullet

WW2 nationalized war production says why not both

shame on an IGA fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Mar 16, 2025

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
Cannot believe there are people pining over fast food locations in this thread

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

Cannot believe there are people pining over fast food locations in this thread

Yeah I eat outside my home/workplace like 5 times a year but even I'm scratching my head at the mourning over an exodus of fast food joints from cities. It's because of the proliferation of restaurants that serve real food in cities + fast food being anything but fast anymore, hope that helps everyone.

an iksar marauder
May 6, 2022

An iksar marauder glowers at you dubiously -- looks like quite a gamble.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

Cannot believe there are people pining over fast food locations in this thread

Thought I was going crazy, who gives a poo poo about some chain slop place closing

tumblr hype man
Jul 29, 2008

nice meltdown
Slippery Tilde

shame on an IGA posted:

WW2 nationalized war production says why not both



International Business Machines being guns is just so good and I love telling people about it.

Cugel the Clever
Apr 5, 2009
I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA

an iksar marauder posted:

Thought I was going crazy, who gives a poo poo about some chain slop place closing
On the one hand, I 100% agree that these mega chains are unambiguously shittier than the awesome independent options offered by a vibrant city. On the other, sometimes I just want lovely, cheaper, fake ice cream from Dairy Queen instead of the incredible craft stuff from my local indie shop.

Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

WARBLEKLONK

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

Cannot believe there are people pining over fast food locations in every thread, every other month

Yeah American food "culture" is a bit of a joke

Dillbag
Mar 4, 2007

Click here to join Lem Lee in the Hell Of Being Cut To Pieces
Nap Ghost

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

Cannot believe there are people pining over fast food locations in this thread

weeping over the closure of the only Harvey's in Vancouver, hidden behind a pillar in the arrivals area of the airport

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!
Guy ordered Starbucks and ended up spilling the drinks in his lap and getting third degree burns. No this isn't the McDonald's thing. Starbucks offered to settle, and the guy said he'd do it if they apologized among other things. Starbucks said lol no, and the judge awarded him even more money.

quote:

Starbucks [offered] $30 million to settle. Garcia agreed, but under the condition that they apologize, change their policies and issue a memo to all store locations to double-check their hot drinks before handing them to customers, attorneys said.

When they declined to agree to those terms, the jury eventually decided to award Garcia with Friday's total.

quote:

Jurors deliberated for just about 40 minutes on Friday before siding with Garcia, awarding him $50 million in damages from the world famous coffee chain.

Is it BWM to pay $20,000,000 more because you don't wanna say sorry?

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RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

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sounds like they paid 20m more because they didn't want to change store policies

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