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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:More of this please and thank you The special it'll be in has a pretty good roster of writers. It's probably gonna be worth picking up. https://www.dccomics.com/comics/mysteries-of-love-in-space-2019/mysteries-of-love-in-space-1
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If we as a species still can't see that King's one and only schtick is tired and obnoxious at this point, I feel that we can at the very least agree that "working through your issues" only gets someone so much leeway when it comes to writing mainstream fiction about cartoon characters.
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Jan 21, 2019 13:44
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BrianWilly posted:If we as a species still can't see that King's one and only schtick is tired and obnoxious at this point, I feel that we can at the very least agree that "working through your issues" only gets someone so much leeway when it comes to writing mainstream fiction about cartoon characters. I hope he writes Wonder Woman next just to annoy you.
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After they hate-read all of Robinson's issues, that'd be easy peasy.
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Jan 21, 2019 18:12
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Endless Mike posted:I hope he writes Wonder Woman next just to annoy you. Wishing this kind of harm borders on harassment.
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Jan 21, 2019 18:20
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Endless Mike posted:I hope he writes Wonder Woman next just to annoy you. I hope he does that AND writes Red Hood just to annoy D_T at the same time The wailing and gnashing of teeth, it would be glorious
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Jan 21, 2019 18:27
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It only takes two months after your largely acclaimed series for the world to forget you ever wrote a good comic.
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Jan 21, 2019 18:37
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Teenage Fansub posted:It only takes two months after your largely acclaimed series for the world to forget you ever wrote a good comic. Seriously, Tom King instantly turning into this kind of lightning rod is insane to me. I'm open to the idea that editorial did a bad job of putting him in the right spots and/or that he could have written differently for a broader audience, but people saying he's flat out bad must not have read the same comics I did.
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Jan 21, 2019 18:43
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I hope he writes a Firestorm comic because he seems better suited to writing b-characters and I want a Firestorm book.
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Jan 21, 2019 18:44
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Teenage Fansub posted:It only takes two months after your largely acclaimed series for the world to forget you ever wrote a good comic. Tom King is still my favorite comic book writer right now, even while Morrison is on Green Lantern. I liked this latest issue of Batman with Professor Pyg. It was weird as hell, but it was an interesting look inside Batman’s head space.
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Jan 21, 2019 18:54
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I only just now got around to reading The Vision. It's the only Tom King series I've read to date and it was really goddamned good. I'll probably check Mister Miracle next but probably not much else. Maybe he just needs to write more books with unconventional settings/setups to help break him out of his rut a bit.
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Jan 21, 2019 18:58
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usenet celeb 1992 posted:I only just now got around to reading The Vision. It's the only Tom King series I've read to date and it was really goddamned good. I'll probably check Mister Miracle next but probably not much else. Maybe he just needs to write more books with unconventional settings/setups to help break him out of his rut a bit. Highly recommend Sheriff of Babylon.
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Jan 21, 2019 19:01
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I have had issues with literally every Tom King series I've read and it's kind of funny to me to see people noticing the flaws the fourth/fifth/sixth time around and acting like they're new. Maybe this will happen with the Nth Mark Russell series that comes along too?
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Jan 21, 2019 19:11
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Maybe they shouldn't have let the guy who can't stop putting gory murder scenes in his scripts write books that are put in toy aisles. Omega Men sucked FYI. His Batman Rebirth was good for awhile.
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Jan 21, 2019 19:16
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King's stuff, I think only works for characters who're pre-established to be damaged in some way (or have a backstory that would reasonably fit that sort of tone in) rather than writing it into their story. Characters like Batman, the Vision and Mister Miracle work for that, but characters like Lois Lane and Booster Gold don't. If the Doom Patrol wasn't already on a decent track (despite its infrequent release), I'd say he could have a good shot on that. Or let him stretch his wings with The Spectre or something.
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Jan 21, 2019 19:20
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BrianWilly posted:If we as a species still can't see that King's one and only schtick is tired and obnoxious at this point, I feel that we can at the very least agree that "working through your issues" only gets someone so much leeway when it comes to writing mainstream fiction about cartoon characters. I don't read Batman but from mr miracle, omega men, the vision, and what i read of heroes in crisis this is fairly on point
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Jan 21, 2019 19:22
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The only things I've read by him are Grayson, Vison, and the first couple arcs of Batman. I loved Grayson and still do. I never got the over gushing love for Vision but I thought it was a perfectly fine book. His Batman was just dire though before I dropped it. And everything I've seen posted both in panels and summary makes me glad I've not followed him to other things.
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Jan 21, 2019 20:27
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The further away from it i get the more i feel like i liked vision as much as i did because compared to marvels overall output it was different, which made it unique, which made it better in my eyes. But now as his output increases you start to realize that one thing made it interesting once is pretty much the only thing he has, and now that the novelty is gone the flaws in the rest of it get glaring Kinda like bendis i suppose
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Jan 21, 2019 20:55
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So BC is reporting that Scooby Doo Apocalypse is coming to an end because WB is taking away the HB license from DC over alleged "unhappiness" in the way the HB characters have been depicted over the past two and half years.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:So BC is reporting that Scooby Doo Apocalypse is coming to an end because WB is taking away the HB license from DC over alleged "unhappiness" in the way the HB characters have been depicted over the past two and half years. Looking forward to a Hanna Barbera Cinematic Universe that makes DC's look competent by comparison. Too bad this means no more awesome Flintstones comics.
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Jan 21, 2019 21:11
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They got tired of Mark Russell I bet.
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Jan 21, 2019 21:20
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'Cept he's got two new books in the next few weeks. Someone in the comments said it's bullshit and they know someone drawing one of six titles about to be announced, and some anonymous commenter has about the credibility of Rich 
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Jan 21, 2019 22:27
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I've been complaining about King since the very first book I've read from him so y'all can continue to sit right down with this whole ooh it's the new hip trendy thing to hate on King! distraction tactic that keeps popping up. The only difference between now and 2016 is that the more he writes, the more evident his problems become, the more people are reading these problems that weren't super glaring when he was simply writing niche titles about niche things. If someone is writing the most hyped event comic right now and and it loving sucks rear end, that person is going to get more negative press for some reason, how very strange. People here have bitched the hell out of writers like Johns and Loeb dealing with the death of their family through their writing, and the way that they've dealt with it has only ever been maudlin or overwrought. King, on the other hand, is about one fictional corpse away from becoming the official snuff porn aficionado at Marvel or DC, but oh no he gets an extra super duper special case of being above reproach because he's like just so like deep man like c'mon. Hey, if his kind of writing is going to keep having pretensions of high-brow profundity, then it's going to get the exact same kind of scrutiny that other so-called deep and meaningful works do, because obviously everyone knows that maturity just means violence and misery, duh. So let's do it. Let's have an honest discussion about the implications of murdering the most well-known female comic book character of all time over and over and over again on a book sold next to the Yu-Gi-Oh cards. Let's debate the pros and cons of shooting Lois Lane in the face, lasering her in the throat, burning her at the stake, having her eaten by sharks in order to show that her husband is worried about her and stuff. Let's share out thoughts about the imagery of victimization, violence, and gratuity that's being attached to this prototypical female comic book character in order to evoke the exact sentiments that this story is trying to evoke in us. You go first, white-knighters. Sell me on this book.
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BrianWilly posted:I've been complaining about King since the very first book I've read from him so y'all can continue to sit right down with this whole ooh it's the new hip trendy thing to hate on King! distraction tactic that keeps popping up. The only difference between now and 2016 is that the more he writes, the more evident his problems become, the more people are reading these problems that weren't super glaring when he was simply writing niche titles about niche things. If someone is writing the most hyped event comic right now and and it loving sucks rear end, that person is going to get more negative press for some reason, how very strange. Just don't read it then.
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Jan 22, 2019 05:26
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Madkal posted:Just don't read it then.
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Jan 22, 2019 05:39
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Yeah there's a reason why I choose to follow authors rather than characters. On the whole I'm usually less disappointed.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:So BC is reporting that Scooby Doo Apocalypse is coming to an end because WB is taking away the HB license from DC over alleged "unhappiness" in the way the HB characters have been depicted over the past two and half years. I haven't read one issue of Scooby Apocalypse but yeah I can't imagine a comic called Scooby Apocalypse is a great marketing tool for the brand's typical demographic.
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BrianWilly posted:I've been complaining about King since the very first book I've read from him so y'all can continue to sit right down with this whole ooh it's the new hip trendy thing to hate on King! distraction tactic that keeps popping up. The only difference between now and 2016 is that the more he writes, the more evident his problems become, the more people are reading these problems that weren't super glaring when he was simply writing niche titles about niche things. If someone is writing the most hyped event comic right now and and it loving sucks rear end, that person is going to get more negative press for some reason, how very strange. ...just don't read it. It's not that hard. Like, I get that everyone has their tastes, and some people are gonna dislike books that other people like, and that's fine and cool and good, but it's not a matter for orthodoxy, it's not something where you should be trying to influence the groupthink. Some people like poo poo you don't, and vice versa, and that's okay. You don't need to spit out a wall of text daring someone to convince you you're wrong so you can DESTROY them with FACTS and LOGIC like a comic book Ben Shapiro. You can just not read the book.
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Madkal posted:Just don't read it then. Ignoring a problem doesn't fix it or make it go away. How do you tell a Batman fan, "Don't read Batman," ? I get they were singling out the Walmart thing but King has been given the keys to the castle and criticizing what he's putting out is pretty relevant. This is one standout gross issue in a declining series of torture porn comics. My schtick is being the one Wally West person on this forum, I guess I should just not talk about it? Not care about things because someone is doing terrible poo poo with it? Two Tone Shoes fucked around with this message at 07:09 on Jan 22, 2019 |
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Two Tone Shoes posted:Ignoring a problem doesn't fix it or make it go away. Well you can write a multi paragraph screed ending it with "I dare you to try challenge my holy cause!" if you want but it's probably not gonna change any minds. Some people like an author and some people don't. Don't buy books by authors you don't like. Don't try get into pissing matches online with people who like said authors either.
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Two Tone Shoes posted:How do you tell a Batman fan, "Don't read Batman," ? "Hey, you don't like this run of Batman comics? Good news; there are different Batman comics you may like more being produced every month. Don't like either Detective Comics or Batman right now? Good news; there's a literally endless stream of miniseries coming out regularly. Plus the character's appearing in a bunch of team books. Read those instead. Don't like any of that stuff? Good news; back issues and TPBs still exist. Read those instead while you wait for them to start publishing new stuff you care about again." Don't read comics you don't enjoy. Definitely don't spend money on comics you don't enjoy. It's not that loving hard. If a person is such a 'Batman fan' that they're spending actual money on comics they hate just so they can bitch about them on the Internet, they should probably stop doing that. They could instead go and spend that money on something that will bring them joy, and recognize that 'liking a comic book character' is not a substitute for a personality. I mean, gently caress, man, I'm a Ted Kord Blue Beetle fan, but even back in the day I skipped comics he was in if they were bad. Because life's too short to subject myself to bad comics. Especially when I would have to spend actual money to read them.
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Madkal posted:Well you can write a multi paragraph screed ending it with "I dare you to try challenge my holy cause!" if you want but it's probably not gonna change any minds. Some people like an author and some people don't. Don't buy books by authors you don't like. Don't try get into pissing matches online with people who like said authors either. You didn't really approach anything I said. The larger point was that King's a major influence in DC right now (which includes stuff like writing their biggest character in their hail mary attempt to get into the mainstream market) and keeping an eye on his work to see what image the company is putting out is relevant. Doubly so if he's handling characters you might be fond of. DivineCoffeeBinge posted:"Hey, you don't like this run of Batman comics? Good news; there are different Batman comics you may like more being produced every month. Don't like either Detective Comics or Batman right now? Good news; there's a literally endless stream of miniseries coming out regularly. Plus the character's appearing in a bunch of team books. Read those instead. Don't like any of that stuff? Good news; back issues and TPBs still exist. Read those instead while you wait for them to start publishing new stuff you care about again." I like being told to wait when I've been waiting since 2009. You're right, the solution is I'm just not patient enough and also that I have no personality. Thanks for the reality check.
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Enough King, everyone. Now read Electric Warriors and Martian Manhunter tonight and post about how good Steve Orlando is a.t.m.
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Two Tone Shoes posted:I like being told to wait when I've been waiting since 2009. You're right, the solution is I'm just not patient enough and also that I have no personality. Thanks for the reality check. You asked 'How do you tell a Batman fan, "Don't read Batman," ?' so I told you. If you decide to internalize that poo poo, that's on you, my man. More seriously, it is okay to recognize that if the industry is not giving you what you want, you can walk away from it. It does not need to be a defining pillar of your life. In fact if it is that's probably not all that healthy. You're sitting here saying "I'm a Wally West fan and Wally West has been poo poo on by DC and it's making me sad and has been making me sad for a decade now," and I'm saying "maybe you should accept that DC is apparently just not that into you and stop giving them your money, since they are apparently doing nothing to earn your loyalty." If you're refusing to do that - if you've been unhappy with the company's output since 2009, when it is currently 2019, but you're still buying their poo poo anyway? That's not being a fan, that's a pathology. EDIT: Teenage Fansub posted:Enough King, everyone. Now read Electric Warriors and Martian Manhunter tonight and post about how good Steve Orlando is a.t.m. This is good advice. Electric Warriors has been a really nice surprise.
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Yeah I dunno, if someone says "Stop reading bad comics" and your response is "But I HAVE to read bad comics because this character I like is in them!" then that's on you.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:You asked 'How do you tell a Batman fan, "Don't read Batman," ?' so I told you. If you decide to internalize that poo poo, that's on you, my man. Could you crawl out of your own rear end for half a second? Good lord. The 2009 remark was merely a jab at your "just wait" comment. I'm not paying DC any money save a couple of the Sandman books (edit: I forgot I'm buying Young Justice, because I...like those characters) but I'll stop talking about Wally West I guess, lest my spiraling, terrible life impact your comics forum reading experiences anymore. The main thing I do is follow solicits and see what's up with things I have interest in (note, most of my comments in these threads are about solicits or, I dunno, Abnett's Aquaman for awhile which I liked). If you guys can't get it in your head that some people are attached to particular characters and that's what they're interested in then whatever. You're like the vast minority of people actually involved in the hobby. Most folks found their favorites at one point or another and tend to follow them. "Pathology," alright, man. Two Tone Shoes fucked around with this message at 08:19 on Jan 22, 2019 |
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Criticism's cool, but not my fault that people keep buying books from writers they blatantly don't like just to complain, and I'm way past the point of finding "gently caress this loving piece of poo poo writer and everything they've ever written" that people deliver everytime they don't like something even remotely entertaining.
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Madkal posted:Just don't read it then. And just to thwart the forthcoming "talk about what you like!" reversal, I also talk about comics I like all the time. Never seems to get the same sort of reaction as when I talk even the tiniest bit of smack about a comic, though.
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There's a good reason my Legion of Super-Heroes collection has gaps in it, and I've been following the team since the early eighties. There's also a good reason DC hasn't really been engaging me for some years now. They just happen to be the same reason, and I'm occupying myself with other interests, comics-related or no. It hasn't been hard -- and one of these days an interesting Legion book might even happen again.
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