HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:

I liked the idea that there were people from different versions of Japan/our world in this other world, is there anything actually good that takes that idea and runs with it?

LorneReams posted:

I love series that have systems that are exploited/twisted in fun ways (I majored in Cryptology and game theory) yet all the ones that are interesting tend to be gross in various ways (no game no life, death march, etc.). I wish I could find more, but I get hooked on any that are front of me, such as Log Horizon and Overlord.

Kingtheninja posted:

I thought log horizon explored the game system really well and I miss seeing that. Like when they figured out making food, or building costs. That part of the show really interested me.

UnderFreddy posted:

Isn't this somewhat also the plot of Overlord?

Pierson posted:

Did Overlord ever really go anywhere with that? The plot I remember was that he was quite a timid man who just roleplayed an evil lich in his evil roleplaying megawhale guild, but when he got reincarnated/transferred he did actually end up having to live with those consequences, one of which being his now-actually-for-real genocidally-loyal underling NPCs and the fact that as a lich heightened emotions were squashed down. They played it for comedy a bunch but it felt like there could have been a gem of a plotline there as a regular human being tried to wrestle with succumbing to being an emotionless evil lich or fought to keep his human side intact.

halleys comet posted:

Dark souls

Mulderman posted:

Devil's advocate here. That's not really the reason for getting a slave or his views on women in general.
He had a rough initial introduction and got hosed over by an evil bitch. This caused a severe lack in trust in people in general, not just women.
Slaves being unable to lie and betray him, is something he can deal with in order to prepare himself for the upcoming fights.

Shield Hero is supposed to be a damaged hero. And you can tell an interesting story about that.
It's a shame the author hosed up literally every single opportunity to do so.

Motto posted:

Nah, that bit is actually true. The author said that naofumi's hosed up mostly as a reflection of the world he's stuck in, though in the bits of the WN I looked at it mostly took the form of woe-is-me internal narration over whatever awful thing he had to witness (despite being party to said event occurring).

https://twitter.com/frog_kun/status/1032131552707133440?s=19

Captain Cappy posted:

Question: Why doesn't he just buy a weapon (that isn't a slave)?

Cephas posted:

Namtab posted:

I like log horizon because while the in game skills are effective for fights a lot of the stuff is about building a good society which has no in game analogue.

Morale is low, but then the catguy figures out that cooking properly instead of using the crafting yields actual taste. That's entirely my poo poo.

ninjewtsu posted:

there's grimgar

Captain Cappy posted:

Fursonally, I too am shocked that reddit fell in love with the underage moeblob in a problematic anime. That sort of thing hasn't happened since last season!

Ibram Gaunt posted:

Hrm. So this is just a repeat of the goblin slayer thread in other words. How droll.

KomeradeCanadian posted:

I don't think he's saying you have to, more like, you get a bigger understanding why it's garbage, and may be able to present a more coherent argument. For example, I actually convinced an impressionable younger weeb friend of mine that SH is advanced trash by pointing out "are you really ok watching a show about kid slave grooming?"

I like this thread more when we don't talk about SH.

Everything Burrito posted:

pointing out something like that doesn't require watching it though, i've absorbed all sorts of plot points about this dumb poo poo including that without watching a single second. not exclusive to this show either, I don't think a person has to like, give a bad show the three episode test to be 100% sure about their opinion.

write things off more, not everything deserves a fair shake or a sourced critical essay

KomeradeCanadian posted:

Are you really expecting people to cite and prove their work on loving anime opinions?

mycot posted:

Hero of Beating Dead Horses.

Cuntellectual posted:

I decided to give shield hero a shot because some people whose taste I respect seemed to like it.

Putting aside the rape accusation thing entirely, is it just me or do people not seem to bring up the whole "loli slave harem" very much. Because that's a thing in this.

UltraRed posted:

Did anyone ever finish Helck? I see it's concluded now. I stopped during a big fight scene with whatever big reveal they had that was world building at the same time while Helck and Anne from Management were still trying to out overpower a few big bads with powers that we never knew they had but are now on display. Does it ever return to characterization, or is it just more just-in-time revealing stuff?

Mulderman posted:

Even if you don't watch anything else. At least watch the latest episode. It's a glorious trainwreck showing everything wrong with this series.

1. Shield Hero is at the celebration party but acts like a little kid and does nothing to help fix his image.
2. Shield Hero gets dragged into a 1 on 1 match vs Spear Hero. Who is egged on by the princess who for some reason isn't done loving with Shield Hero and now wants to take his slave partner away.
3. Slave Girl gets captured and hold against her will, she was showing agency of her own, so clearly she is under some kind of control spell.
4. Princess interferes with the match and starts laughing, yet nobody bats an eye.
5. Spear Hero points out that forcing slaves to fight is wrong. This is portrayed as a bad thing.
6. Slave Girl points out that he only used the painful force ability whenever she was too afraid to fight. RED FLAG! RED FLAG!
7. Slave Girl gets her slave seal removed and lashes out at Spear guy, telling him that if he's truly a good guy like Shield Hero, he would have also had a slave by his side. Wait what?
8. Princess starts acting like a huge racist rear end in a top hat, but no-one seems to care, not even these Isekai heroes who previously stated that they should be better than the people of the world they got send to.
9. Slave Girl tries to talk Shield Hero, is genuinely nice to him. But he lashes out anyways. Bitching about no matter how hard he tried, nobody likes him. So she gives him a motherly embrace by putting his head in her tits.
10. This causes Shield Hero to no longer see her as a young kid, but as a more grown up person (who still has the mind of a child, I'm not letting that one go)
11. The other 2 Isekai heroes show up and point out the obvious cheating that happened during the match. The king and princess who thus far have been able to force everyone in going along with their plans, don't bother doing so now and instead just walk away.
12. People still hate Shield Hero
13. But he now likes the taste of food.

Oh and all the while, this beautiful soothing music plays, telling the braindead fans of this show to feel emotional about the things that are happening.

And next episode he gets a chicken loli! And after restoring Slave girls slave seal, he also forces one on the chicken loli!


Like I said before, Shield Hero is a boring sludge of a series, but every now and then it spikes heavily into the what the hell were they thinking territory.

Darth Walrus posted:

https://twitter.com/danielsanslions/status/1090800174157447169?s=21

Freakazoid_ posted:

the same people who defend slavery in real life. it's literally the same argument.

LORD OF BOOTY posted:

i mean, i feel like to some extent they pretty much create their audience; they're pretty much THE anime streaming site in the US (unless you really like dubs, in which case Funi, or you're still loyal to ADV somehow in which case Hidive) and whatever they put up and promote is gonna get views, period

if they actively went out of their way to get Shield Hero made despite it seemingly being unpopular in Japan, then that raises some... pretty big questions

galagazombie posted:

Worst thing about Goblin Slayer is that I love the premise of "Guy who specializes in low level beginner monsters no-one else wants to bother with." But instead we got, well, Goblin Slayer.

doomrider7 posted:

I've heard some stuff like that. At very least some REALLY right tilting people. With regards to critique that's a hard one. A lot of anitubers seem into the show(not looked up, don't want the algorithm to flood my feed), but even then there are some who see like ironically Mother's Basement who was wary, but the issue will always be that dissenting opinion will be ignored in favor of opinion that agrees which in turn will lead to that particular "critic" getting propped up. Someone like Ebert and Siskel is sorely needed. People not backed by anybody who are knowkedgable not just about that particular media, but story media in general that can sort am of the presented info in the shows and put out some good legit complex thoughts out.

punk rebel ecks posted:

I just went in Crunchyroll and saw that more people are watching this than JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. Let that sink in...

Namtab posted:

1) Nobody here has produced any critical analysis, just criticism.
2) Nobody here is watching the show with that intent either.
3) There is no real pushback against this in the west, crunchyroll are already likely to view this as a success if they're getting good numbers out of this.
4) I'm not even gonna touch the point comparing watching bad media to something like research on historical atrocities except to suggest that a sense of perspective is required.

The only effective countermeasure against something like this isn't a debate, it's a boycott

Phobophilia posted:

I’ve said it before, Valvrave was nazi apologia, down to the Jewish cabal. Except this was back in what, 2013? 2014? Before nerd culture got radicalized into fascists by gamergate and trump.