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Pharohman777 posted:I honestly have a huge soft spot for overlord as an isekai because it asks: what happens when all the fun roleplaying springs to life. A guild had fun roleplaying as evil pvpers and made their base and NPC's with that theme; and in the new world, it is home to some of the most foul monsters ever. Sort of the same reason I love Log Horizon. I love how the characters aren't actually THAT focused on "How do I get home?" Shirou seems to pretty much be firmly on the point that, frankly, they have no leads, nothing that could give them leads, so what they should do is reform society. Dot Hack is the other great one just because it was an MMO fantasy story that established that there is a big divide between characters online and who they are as people. That's one thing you can't ever fault that franchise for, people were rarely who they seemed to be.
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# ¿ Jan 18, 2019 10:50 |
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# ¿ Apr 17, 2024 21:43 |
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Shinjobi posted:It's too bad .hack wouldn't work now anyway. As mysterious and interesting the first four games/SIGN were, GU was simple shonen stuff that tried really hard and failed to recreate that mystery vibe. I hold a torch for the franchise, but playing through Last Recode on the ps4 has been an eye opening experience. I don't think G.U. was trying to create the mystery vibe because... there isn't a Mystery. G.U. is about the characters, that's why it's called G.U. for "Grow Up" and all of the characters are mentally hosed in some way, starting with our protagonist, Haseo, who we met all the way back in Sign as Sora. Kuhn, who's another major character, is another returning character, having been Siegfried from IMOQ, AKA the boyfriend of Mai Minase from the Liminality OVA, and he's kinda messed up since she dumped him and hasn't been able to form real relationships since. And that's not even going into the trainwreck of hosed that is Endrance. Poor bloody Elk's gone full Hikikomori from losing Mia, it's pretty telling that the most normal person Haseo knows is Silabus. Atoli was recruited by Sakaki from a suicide website, and Sakaki himself is a psychotic ten-year-old. The main issue I have with G.U. is they abuse the Tournament structure to essentially fill out space between the plot beats. But I never got the impression it was a mystery, even "What is the AIDA?" Isn't really the focus of the story, so much as "Who is Azure Kite?->What the hell is Sakaki up to?->What is Ovan up to?" Where each one is a focus on a character, where as IMOQ's focus is pure Mystery "What the hell is Aura, the Book of Twilight, Morganna, the Phases? Why are people going into coma's? how can we wake them up? What is destroying The World? What was Harold after?" They are very different stories but I don't dislike either. kirbysuperstar posted:I really liked SIGN, though it's not for everyone. Or, barely for anyone I guess. I hated Roots though, and Legend of the Twilight was uhh...well. Legend of the Twilight is really weird because I read the manga and it's very different from the anime. Still very fanservicy and strange, but unlike the anime, it's an actual story, not this weird... thing the anime was. And it didn't have a tonne of incest subtext because the Anime sure felt that was necessary. I think Roots is terrible as well, just... boring. It's like "Want to know how Haseo got to this point where he became the Legendary PKK?" "Not really." "Good, because it's dull." Let's be real though, Sign thrives on its soundtrack.
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# ¿ Jan 18, 2019 12:42 |
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Captain Cappy posted:Question: Why doesn't he just buy a weapon (that isn't a slave)? Better question since he's "Not allowed to use non-shield weapons." Okay you want to make the idea that he's an Employer and his slaves are his Employees, why didn't you make his first slave a man? Then even if you eventually want him to buy a female slave, that could be a sympathetic "I brought her to release her." or to give her a 'job' like Secretary or something that doesn't involve fighting. What I'm saying is you can twist it anyway you want, but he brought a female slave for the sexual thrill of owning a female slave. Just like said slave ages herself to consenting adult (physical) age for sexual reasons.
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# ¿ Jan 19, 2019 08:08 |
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Beasteh posted:I read the wiki and apparently he does free her from the slavery spell then she deliberately goes under the spell again to prove her devotion to him or something and lmaooo He also has all the misanthropy and poo poo-bag sucked out of him at once point and his slaves get upset because they want the angry, hateful shitbag back.
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# ¿ Jan 19, 2019 16:01 |
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ninjewtsu posted:all of the isekai that i've enjoyed is primarily focused on the flaws and weaknesses of its protagonists over being a power fantasy. i wish there was more than like, 2 isekais where the protagonists were explicitly incompetent and had to struggle with the fact that they're just not even of average skill level compared to other adventurers/knights/people who solve problems with violence.
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# ¿ Jan 21, 2019 01:53 |
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SerCypher posted:Log Horizon rules, I love it it treats NPCS (people of the land). Also to the People of the Land, suddenly those mute murder hobos started acting like real people. It also helps that log horizon wasn't any kind of be game, it as an isometric chibi MMO. So there is no "Well I was already seeing through eyes like this."
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# ¿ Jan 21, 2019 02:54 |
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a cartoon duck posted:are there any isekais about being stuck in an isekai, complete with the protagonist seeing the out-of-this-world isekai protagonist as intrinsically part of this world There's a not-isekai about an isekai protagonist coming out of his coma as an older dude with magic and poo poo, but he went into his coma before the internet was widespread and before certain character archetypes became super popular. So as he's describing how he suffered in the world. https://mangadex.org/title/31488/isekai-ojisan
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# ¿ Jan 21, 2019 14:36 |
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Shinjobi posted:I will never understand how people can see the countless jokes of "she looks 8 but she's really 8000" and just....ignore it. Short answer is they're all pedos, long answer involves them being dumb. Both answers are depressing. No no it's cool because she magically ages up her body to be an adults body. So then it's totally okay to have sex with the person still mentally the same as before.
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# ¿ Jan 23, 2019 06:53 |
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# ¿ Jan 25, 2019 06:22 |
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Vorpal Cat posted:Hero of creating disappointing sequels to his enemies favorite childhood media franchises, thus making them question why they ever liked them in the first place. This person is responsible for The After Years?
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# ¿ Jan 26, 2019 00:00 |
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I also wouldn't put much stock in tropes pages for actual content. It's very Telephone.
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# ¿ Jan 29, 2019 01:30 |
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Can Of Worms posted:The Hero of being the group designated driver, then bailing after everyone has gotten drunk. The Hero of being the group designated driver, then revealing you do not have your license after everyone has paid for their drinks.
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# ¿ Jan 29, 2019 10:14 |
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An Isekai doesn't mean you're trapped in an alternate world, only that you travel to it, it also doesn't say you can't bring stuff back.
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# ¿ Jan 30, 2019 07:01 |
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No it isn't, it's an Isekai-Fakeout. Dream Zanarkand is a physical location inside Spira's world. The best way to understand the plot of FF10 is the moment someone says "Dream x" Mentally substitute "Dream" with "Aeon" and "Dreaming" as "Summoning." Tidus is an Aeon, summoned by a mass summoning by the survivors of Zanarkand, to preserve their history as an Aeon-simulation. It is a physical location off the coast of Spira.
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# ¿ Jan 30, 2019 13:36 |
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Everything Burrito posted:I'm annoyed at CR for promoting the poo poo out of this garbage because my tl was completely free of it other than their posting You're annoyed at them for promoting it? Not for being the ones funding it?
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# ¿ Jan 30, 2019 21:12 |
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That's the argument being used.
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# ¿ Feb 1, 2019 04:52 |
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doomrider7 posted:Youtuber. There WERE some videos he made that I liked such as the CUTE WIN FAIL, but other than that I don't know what his shtick was. He faded off and I think the reason was this, Advertising man. Crunchy paid to have the series made. They probably play for advertisement, and then there's the good old Bischoff logic. Controversy Creates Cash. I mean... shittily enough, Shield Hero did well for itself in Japan, I even remember when looking around seeing a website going "Isekai's that are way better than the usual trash" and having Shield Hero on it. There's a clear market for it, sadly.
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# ¿ Feb 1, 2019 11:39 |
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doomrider7 posted:I'm still trying to find the loving article that confirmed that since I had called it that Crunchy had a really big stake on that series and had gone directly to Kadokawa requesting it. It's just so loving depressing to look at and REALLY loving weird and messed up. Money, man. Like in the end if a company starts professing or talking about anything, know that they're a dollar away from flipping if they think it'll fatten their wallets. Shield Hero was... not a big property, but a large enough property in Japan for it to be worth investing money in. And remember, Crunchyroll just lost a lot of series they'd had before as different companies shift to their own personal services, fragmenting former strong bases. Like this isn't Goblin Slayer levels of boom and success (For that, like... GS just got it's 4th Manga, detailing the quest where Sword Maiden defeated the Demon Lord, joining Year 1, Brand New Day and the main series. And it's an ongoing novel series) As it stands Shield Hero has 1 spin-off, and it's basically New Game Plus with the hero being one of the other heroes trying to prevent the bad poo poo. But it's still enough of a success for a company go "Yes, I will invest money in this." And if you even want to consider "Maybe Crunchyroll just didn't know what this series was like." They knew. This threads reaction, the twitter blow up, that's primarily the reason they funded it. For this. Because people will talk about it, and it'll get blown up, and review sites will talk about it, and it'll be a 'Controversy' and from that controversy, people who don't know will hear and come to watch. I won't be surprised to see the "Top anime by region" to basically be Shield Hero this time around either. Not just for promotion, but because it promotes itself.
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# ¿ Feb 1, 2019 12:58 |
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In the end, each writer is secretly (or not so secretly) writing their fetishes into the series. The best example of such that comes to mind when I think about it, is Chris Claremont writing the X-Men, where there were just a few too many times when the X-Men got involved with baby play. Like that was the tip of Mt. Fetish of his run on X-Men, to the point it's like "Just masturbate already! It's healthier!"
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# ¿ Feb 1, 2019 23:34 |
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a cartoon duck posted:i'm not sure fearing women for having agency counts as a fetish No but Lolita slave animal girls sure loving is.
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# ¿ Feb 2, 2019 00:05 |
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Also, Doomrider. Not technically the thread for this but, gently caress it, I have no respect for Shield Hero so I'll basically post about anything I want until a Mod tells me otherwise. I remember in the Worst anime of the year thread you were describing that your friend had told you about a scene in Goblin Slayer where all the girls dressed up like sluts to attract the Slayer which didn't work. Yeah... I decided to take a little look, and I think your friend is conflating two or three scenes that have neither of that context. Vol.3 of the Novel: It's the Harvest Festival and Slayer's taking Cowgirl out in the morning and Guild Girl out in the evening. I don't think I'd describe either of their outfits as 'slutty' I'd describe them as quite nice outfits. The scene I think that they conflated it with, is a Scene from Brand New Day when Guild Girl and Cow Girl are going shopping together And after trying on a helmet similar to the Slayers, Cow Girl suggests trying on the armour, to which Priestess nopes-out And that's the end of it, poking fun at how revealing bikini armour is and how impractical it is, blatantly pointing out that the only reason they stock it is basically as a showpiece. Pure comedy. The other scene is from the main volume. Female Knight has another comedy scene with the Slayer. In the end, his advice to her is to try out civilian clothing, rather than dressing in impractical armour. The only thing cut from the Light Novel for the manga was the Slayer going "Okay, I question the sanity of anyone asking me for advice on matters like this." Goblin Slayer has a lot of problematic stuff, but it never actually does scenes like the one you described.
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# ¿ Feb 3, 2019 08:26 |
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Captain Invictus posted:that's way more words than goblin slayer deserves I've spent way more words on worse things TBH. I'm bored.
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# ¿ Feb 3, 2019 08:54 |
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Captain Invictus posted:I think someone recommended It's My Life in this thread, so I started in on it at a slow day at work and got through about four volumes (just got through gor-gor's backstory ). I won't say it doesn't have some issues with some creepy stuff/lovely gags for "comedy", but so long as astra treats Noah as a daughter and nothing more, it's not really on the level of trash like GS/SH. But the slice of life stuff with astra and Noah is wonderful and often hilarious, gor-gor's a good boy, and the overarching daily life stuff with the expanding cast is good fun. The more serious story stuff is...okay, though the gor-gor backstory was pretty surprisingly good (I especially liked the detail of since he lost his mother while a baby, he never learned the dragon's language and so was abandoned by them when he encountered them later) It also seems to be complete at 11 volumes, hopefully it doesn't nosedive down any bad directions like some other series in the home stretch. So long as it doesn't go into a creepy romance plot, which I was afraid of while reading it (As the artist appears to be in that scene) It'll be fine. Basically if he can contain his own horny, It'll be a good story.
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# ¿ Feb 3, 2019 09:32 |
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Captain Invictus posted:Man, don't tell me the artist is a creeper. I read the comments for Sen to Man to see why it abruptly ended and turns out the author of that is a pedophile. Christ. I know some mangaka do porn, fine, whatever, but there's some steps too far. All I know is he gets commissioned to do a lot of Gacha Lolita's. So he's definitely in that realmspace. And all I can say is, half to make myself laugh and half as a real thing, Carl Barks, the guy who did the Ducks for Disney, basically by the end of his career was jerking it to Disney Ducks, because he'd drawn them so much that... Long story short eventually if you draw it enough you'll wind up jerking it to it.
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# ¿ Feb 3, 2019 09:39 |
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ViggyNash posted:To be fair it does actually do that. They just decided those low level monsters are also pathological rapists. I think if they toned the rape/torture way down or all the way and maybe game them other non-rapey traits it would have been good. I don't need them to not be irredeemably evil, but yeah, could do without the rape.
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# ¿ Feb 4, 2019 04:37 |
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doomrider7 posted:"Yeah he's a Slave Owner, but he's a NICE Slave Owner and he had no choice. Don't you feel so bad for him and, awww look at Rapthtalia comfort him. Anime couple of the year right there." The best part is how disingenuous it is. Because there is a moment in which the dude gets all his negative hatred and emotions sucked out of him, all the poo poo that's completely unhealthy. And his slaves force it back into him because "He's just not him if he's nice" Not only showing how hosed up their relationship is but pushing the horrible narrative that someone being an abrasive dickhead with severe psychological issues is preferable to being well adjusted.
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# ¿ Feb 4, 2019 13:45 |
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Brought To You By posted:You can be practical and look good while still being fantastical. I just think that for as often as GS as a series has professed the need for a practical and pragmatic approach to things, the fact that for some reason bikini armor exists as a viable method of seduction in the field is less believable than a parasitic race of rape monsters. The joke is it's not good in the field. It's literally there to basically be Lingerie. The Apprentice Smith even starts hammering out the boilerplate "Well it's very agile" before just admitting, "It's for sex."
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# ¿ Feb 5, 2019 07:23 |
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DisDisDis posted:i think it's kind of inevitable this happens because after a certain (pretty early) juncture this type of thread stops being about protecting the vulnerable from the evils of SH or any kind of critical discussion or whatever (critical discussion is probably impossible when one of the top posters here has admitted they don't read any of the stuff they complain about and rely on hearsay from tvtropes posters) and just becomes about this communal sense of moral superiority from tearing the subject of discussion down together and reinforcing to each other how awful it is. I'm not really grieving for the reputation of shield hero here but I see that same mentality turned on undeserving targets pretty often on this forum so it makes me kind of uncomfortable to see at all, plus it kind of undermines whatever legitimate criticism you have (i'm sure there's a lot to be made) when you make really disingenuous reads on things to fit your narrative. I mean I kinda feel this thread kinda fails to be a protection from posters from Shield Hero because is anyone here actually watching it in a non-ironic fashion?
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# ¿ Feb 5, 2019 08:59 |
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mycot posted:I actually envy anyone who was watching Irregular At Magic High School when it was on because it seems like a dime a dozen harem anime until BAM the imouto opens her mouth and recites all of Atlas Shrugged. Wait hold on, I missed this (And this anime) What?
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# ¿ Feb 6, 2019 11:04 |
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doomrider7 posted:My general point is that Vorpal Cat's comnents from the previous page were spot on and should have ended the discussion about but somehow didn't because...reasons? Like to get to colonialism you'd have to run a marathon to get there. "I may have torn every muscle in my body to make this stretch but now that I'm here I'm not letting go!"
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# ¿ Feb 7, 2019 10:04 |
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Namtab posted:The authors intent ultimately doesn’t matter Oh good, it's this discussion again. Yeah, it kinda does. Death of the Author is really good when you're a few hours away from a due paper and you gotta make up some bullshit your professor can't actively call bullshit on. But it's essentially a circle jerk when it comes to actual critical discourse because ultimately there are very few things you can't argue about anything. You can choose to twist, turn and otherwise stretch whatever you want in any way you want because authorial intent doesn't matter and no one else besides your interpretation matters to DotA. Reverting to "Authorial intent doesn't matter" is going "That's just, like, your opinion." Or pulling down your pants and making GBS threads on the floor as a response.
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# ¿ Feb 7, 2019 13:01 |
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Srice posted:It doesn't mean that people can make up whatever they want it means they come to their conclusions by arguing based on what's in the text instead of what the author says outside of the text. You still gotta justify those conclusions. It's not that wild of an idea! Yes, but you can justify anything. Try it some time, it's actually quite fun, purposefully choose an outlandish or contradictory topic for the text in question and then just do it. You'll find how easy it is, just by adjusting how you think and purposefully looking for something, to justify that conclusion. And if someone tells you you're stupid or how it clearly isn't, well, that's how you read the text, and that's not arguable. Because you provided your evidence. It doesn't matter if your evidence requires an absurd level of misreading the text, so long as you justify it, it's okay. That's why I don't consider "Well, death of the author" as a valid argument. Yes, of course, naturally their are interpretations of the text not the literal text, and yes you should be critical of the text and not just listen to the author's words. This isn't an argument that it's purely about authorial intent. But that the sheer idea that the "Author doesn't matter" leads to essentially "I can say whatever I want so long as I can write it in a way that it's justified." And most of the time you'll find you can.
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# ¿ Feb 7, 2019 13:26 |
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Captain Invictus posted:is there a good quick list of what makes it incel hero, so far this is what I've got We don't even know the Author's gender I believe they write under psudonym as their name "Aneko Yusagi" means "Older Sister" and... who knows for the second name. No interviews with them in public. And to clarify, he gets all his negative emotions drawn out and becomes cheerful and not a misanthrope and so they turned him back so he would "Be himself"
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# ¿ Feb 8, 2019 07:58 |
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DisDisDis posted:gonna say magically brainwashing the guy to be uwu nice would be the more hosed up outcome here So what happens in detail is a thing called a Wrath Dragon absorbs all his rage, and without all of his pent up anger, he becomes flustered by his harem and nicer. So they immediately return him to normal because him being nice and shy is "weird"
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# ¿ Feb 8, 2019 08:42 |
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Crabtree posted:...the original material for that show was that bad? Nah it was just boring and stock standard.
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# ¿ Feb 17, 2019 14:32 |
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Julias posted:Ah that makes sense. The author's gender identity being unknown is still the case, though. It's not unknown. It's genderless. If you mean their biological sex, you're correct. But that's not relevant.
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# ¿ Feb 24, 2019 09:41 |
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Darth Walrus posted:Also, this started out as a webnovel, a genre notorious for its tendency to be the author's unfiltered id in literary form. If a webnovel author starts going on and on about how men are hurt and victimised by women, especially women based on people they know, they're probably not speaking for a friend. The woman in Shield Hero is not, to my knowledge based on anyone. Endorph posted:the author's politcs and what views the story supports are two different things Basically, I'm with Endorph here.
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# ¿ Feb 25, 2019 05:47 |
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Captain Invictus posted:Heh, hostage taker, you are a fool. If you shoot me I will be reborn in another world you know, so your threats are meaningless to me. I Was Shot By My Hostage-Taker For Refusing To Read A Bad Isekai And Was Reborn In Another World, But the World I Was Reborn In Was The Bad Isekai
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# ¿ Mar 4, 2019 15:08 |
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Mirage posted:"So I'm going to be reborn massively overpowered, nothing is ever a real problem, and every woman I meet wants to sleep with me. Who said you would reincarnate as the protagonist in this Shitsekai?
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# ¿ Mar 5, 2019 04:38 |
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# ¿ Apr 17, 2024 21:43 |
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Wark Say posted:Wasn't there one about a now middle-aged guy who returns back from the other world to the real world, but turns out his real body was in a coma, so now he has to re-adapt and junk? Yes, but he did come back with magic. But he'd left before things like Tsundere had been popularized, so when he met his Tsundere love interest in the Isekai he thought she was a horrible human being for always insulting him and basically ran away crying from her. https://mangadex.org/title/31488/isekai-ojisan Only 2 chapters so far
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# ¿ Mar 5, 2019 23:58 |