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marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

I’ve started re-watching this silly show from the start again, rather than looking for something new to watch. Please send help.

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marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Edward Mass posted:

Which start? :v:

In related news, I'm watching the reconstruction of the Myth Makers for the first time tonight.

The start. But I’m skipping reconstructions. I tried a few times but can never get into them.

Currently on The Keys of Marinus. The trapper is a great mini villain. Just a total dickhead. Giving Ian a sack of raw meat to attract wolves and sending him out into the frozen wastes haha.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

SimplyCosmic posted:

While I like Heaven Sent, I also kind of hate it for being the penultimate Moffat having to leave his mark with dumb changes to lore episode.

The Doctor's childhood scenes in Listen were pretty unnecessary. Hell Bent's Gallifrey and suddenly useless and powerless Rassilon is just the worst.

But in Heaven Sent he straight up killed the Doctor. Full stop. The character we've followed for 50+ years died for the dumbest of reasons.

And then a duplicated lump of flesh strolled off with his face.

Star Trek does this multiple times an episode!

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

I think the best thing about the Aztecs is Ian’s outfit.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Wheat Loaf posted:

One thing I think is okay about Doctor Who fandom (compared to, say, Star Wars and some Star Trek fans) is that they seem not to be preoccupied with "canon" because it's a bit of a dead letter in this franchise across all its permutations. I'm sure there are some people who gnash their teeth at their inability to neatly reconcile the Doctor having at least three ninth incarnations or what have you but it hardly seems commonplace to me.

Yeah Star Trek fans are awful for this. The people getting bent out of shape about visual continuity in Discovery (sets and uniforms don’t match 50 year old episodes, oh no!) would not enjoy having several different equally canon versions of the fate of Atlantis.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Astroman posted:

Yeah, except I'm one of those Star Trek fans and I have no issue with DW doing that kinda stuff because it's been established in the show that history and the timelines constantly change.

Also Doctor Who has busted out stuff like Mondasian Cybermen whose designs were derided for years as clunky--and showed how awesome and scary they were. And the Hartnell console room for Clara and Me. DW does a far better job of honoring it's history and canon, because it's run by hardcore nerd fanboys. :shrug:

Why don’t you use the same excuse for Star Trek then? There’s enough time travel in Star Trek for the timelines to be constantly changing.

I dunno we’ve argued about this before and I don’t think much of your argument that redesigning the uniforms in Star Trek is like redesigning the uniforms in a World War Two movie.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

I’m on to the Reign of Terror. I don’t much care for the scarlet pimpernel stuff but pretty much everything the Doctor does is great. Particularly when he dresses up as some senior revolutionary official.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Nobody talks about Planet of Giants but it’s one of my favourite Hartnells. It’s a fun story with charmingly terrible special effects.

I’m onto Dalek Invasion of Earth now which is also very cool and good.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

I’m up to the Romans now. Hartnell episodes do keep returning to the idea of the Doctor being mistaken for someone, not that I’m complaining. The Doctor complimenting Nero’s playing is a treat.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Make me the showrunner and I’ll bring back the Raston Warrior Robot.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Christ the bits with Nero running after his slave Barbara for just a little kiss haven’t aged well. Everyone having a good chuckle and the comedy music.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

The Monks episodes were such a disappointment. I’d wanted a good three parter for a while and that’s what we got.

My current classic Who status is developing a headache from the sound effects in The Web Planet.

I can get past the costumes, the Vaseline smeared camera lenses, but that noise, that noise...

https://youtu.be/z6lUCZqKoV4

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Davros1 posted:

Just saw the dumbest thing ever. Someone claiming that the ep "Rosa" was just pushing a "SJW agenda" because people weren't racist back then.

It’s a pretty common belief amongst racists that race relations problems in the US began with the civil rights movement messing everything up and that everything was fine before then.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Jerusalem posted:

God yeah, the last time I did a whole series rewatch, I think that (and the recon of The Space Pirates) were the only times I had to struggle to actually get through to the end of the story. The sound gave me a minor headache too, I felt slightly nauseous watching it.

Yup, finally made it through the Web Planet. Took me about as long to get through that one serial as it did to get through every previous Hartnell.

I kind of want to like it for being so, uh, ambitious, but it really doesn’t work.

I’m pretty sure it’s the worst intact Hartnell. Gunfighters is awful but it’s at least awful in a funny way.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Also there was a lovely pound shop Davros in Voyage of the Damned.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Watching the gunfighters in between Red Dead 2 sessions is a bit of a strange experience.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

I really really hate the Three is a Tory take. Since when did a Tory do anything to help anyone? Three is kind and compassionate and wise, the total opposite of conservative ideology.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Nice! I missed most of the recent re-run on twitch and wouldn’t have heard about this one either so thanks for posting. It’s always fun seeing people react to this stuff for the first time.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

I’ve reached the Moonbase in my rewatch. It’s so good. Among the best Cybermen stories, a small category I know. The animated replacement episodes do the job very well, I’m going to skip Macra Terror until the official animated version comes out.

I was going to avoid reconstructions but I’ll put up with the cheesy poser model fan animations for more Jamie episodes, he’s the best.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Sydney Bottocks posted:

And that's to say nothing of all the Virgin Books/BBC Books tie-in novels written, where the author a character really really wanted to shag Ace.

I don’t know what you are talking about.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

I just popped into the thread to ask for a Tom Baker DVD recommendation, any that have particularly good special features. Which commentary is Tom the most drunk in, that kind of thing.

Now I see these blu ray posts and I might have to spend a lot more money getting all of series 18 on blu ray instead of one story on DVD. Thanks a lot thread.

Although my only blu ray drive is my PS4 so I don't think I'll be able to look at the PDF scripts and stuff.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Yeah I was surprised when I heard that series 18 isn't very popular, I love it.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Current re-watch status- The Invasion.

Packer... :smug:

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

"Wow, what a clever, entertaining and well written story, I can't wait to find out the solution to this Moffat mystery" Me, in another life that seems impossibly long ago now.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Actually that's a little harsh, Moffat's first and last series were really good. But gently caress I got sick of everything to do with that silence storyline.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Got to the end of the War Games in my rewatch. Currently feeling sad about Jamie and Zoe being memory wiped. I watched a couple of reconstructions that I hadn't seen before, including the animated Power of the Daleks, and definitely have more of an appreciation for that 2 and Jamie and Zoe or Victoria team.

Now to watch all the Pertwee episodes for the millionth time, hell yeah.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

I'm watching Inferno. Really it's a cautionary tale about the importance of strong health and safety procedures.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

The casino sequence was worth it just for the bit where they say the place is home to the worst scum in the galaxy, then cuts to some rich people.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Was Humans good or was it just a low budget Westworld without cowboys?

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

I don't think the Space Force is particularly funny. The militarisation of space, something that didn't happen even during the darkest days of the cold war, is continuing to grow and we should all be terrified. How long before there are orbital weapons platforms and anti-sattelite weaponry?

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Sydney Bottocks posted:

Please define "darkest days of the Cold War", as I'm feeling like Ronald Reagan and his "Star Wars" space defense platform ideas from the 1980s are getting sort of glossed over here

That didn't actually happen though, despite all the money spent on researching space weapons it was a fantasy in Reagan's swiss cheese brain. The closest we have come to weaponising space in reality is that there was an AK on board Mir.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

I was just thinking the other day about how they should bring back Omega :rip:

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

There's still a few around. They own Fopp as well.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Uh gently caress I'm not confident about this.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

I think doing an episode in that setting was a good idea and they did handle the issues mostly well, but making it a TARDIS gang meet a historical figure episode all about getting on the bus was a mistake and undercut a lot of the good stuff they did.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Jerusalem posted:

Problems with the modern Sherlock kinda disappearing up its own rear end a bit aside

You are being extremely generous here haha.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

stratofarius posted:

I really should get into Big Finish, but that requires me to get into Classic Who, which seems to be super hard to find.

It's really not, but probably against the rules for me to say which less-popular-than-youtube French video site I've been re-watching the whole thing on recently. Or the DVDs can be ordered wherever DVDs are sold.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Edward Mass posted:

A full decade! That's right, FOUR series!

This post made me lol then made me sad.

marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

Yeah series 5 is so good, it makes the bad Moffat episodes later on even worse because you know Moffat is capable of so much better.

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marktheando
Nov 4, 2006

corn in the bible posted:

moffat's good seasons were the first and the last, and it's sad how bad things got inbetween

Yeah his last one is also really good.

docbeard posted:

I think for the most part the good episode:bad episode is pretty favorable throughout Moffat's entire run, it's just that some of the bad moments are, well, basically Let's Kill Hitler.

(And for that matter Season 5 has the most boring Silurian story ever, and Season 10 has this enormous Monk-shaped hole in the middle).

There are good standalone stories in there, but most of the main story arc stuff after series 5 and before series 10 is painful.

The 50th anniversary episode is great too (still can never remember which _____ of the Doctor episode that is without looking it up).

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