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physeter posted:I've been happy with every DLC so far, but Agriculture seems like it will be a total miss. I guess it's nice that corn will have more than one use, and I hope the silos and tractors at least look cool, but otherwise who fuckin cares? My grain farms employee 20 farmers, dropping it to even 1 farmer in exchange for consuming something precious and finite like oil would not be a good trade. The Old World doesn't grow any crop that would justify the cost and annoyance of importing oil to boost it. In the New World I might feel differently since lots of oil is right there, and rubber/sugar/coffee can act as hard caps on Old World population, but still. Hope I'm wrong and this isn't just a bullshit filler DLC. Not everyone plays at the same level so it may be a godsend for the beginning player. we'll have to see.
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It moves us one step close to the ultimate fusion of tropico and anno. Cant wait to be able to add skylights to my cigar factories and freeze dryers to the coffee roasters.
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May 20, 2020 22:17
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Personally this is the DLC I was looking forward to. The upgrades for the farms seem simple but at the same time will have some interesting balancing effects I'm sure. I wonder what the ratios to oil wellheads to fuel station and fuel station to running factories is. Also glad they worked in more uses for the trains at last. I imagine my New World plantations will soon become gently caress HUGE since the oil is right there.
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May 20, 2020 22:32
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May 20, 2020 23:27
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Social Studies 3rd Period posted:I'm also excited for the listed new ornaments. Also this. So loving glad 1800 is Ornament Central after 2205's pathetic showing.
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Alkydere posted:Also glad they worked in more uses for the trains at last. I imagine my New World plantations will soon become gently caress HUGE since the oil is right there. Yeah I am not using any oil at all from the New World, and that’s probably where I would drop Tractors. With their Steam Engines cost they’re not going to be the thing that you slap down everywhere immediately. Train logic is for sure going to be a factor in all this; setting up trade union and tractor boosted farm clusters on a dedicated turbofarm island, possibly making use of fertility items, sounds like it will be my initial approach. So a lot more like exploiting a lot more on-site oil and shifting around agricultural production with more trade routes. As for the cost of burning oil to save farmer jobs, I respond that the smell in the air is Progress!
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The big thing with the tractors is you can get to 300%+ productivity with them for farms, which means you'll be able to combo with some other features to massively reduce land usage. This isn't a problem in the old world but until they make some better islands available for the new world that is pretty loving handy. I also think it will let you do things like have a farm island with no population that you can crank up to slave-labor production (no population, no happiness malus, just riots) and commuter dock in the workers, to the point you can basically eliminate farmer tier housing from your population completely; simply utilizing the expansion buffs population to support them. I was already utilizing this idea to an extent in my last real game:  And this lets you turn that poo poo up to 11 with a few extra stops on the oil convoys. Basically, what electricity does for industry, this is doing for farms, which when combo'd with houseless hellscapes like this:  Can really alter the way you approach all production chains. It's not really some QoL thing as it is a different approach to how you produce goods, so I think there will be a lot of mixed feelings on it depending on how you play the game. Mazz fucked around with this message at 00:08 on May 21, 2020 |
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physeter posted:I've been happy with every DLC so far, but Agriculture seems like it will be a total miss. I guess it's nice that corn will have more than one use, and I hope the silos and tractors at least look cool, but otherwise who fuckin cares? My grain farms employee 20 farmers, dropping it to even 1 farmer in exchange for consuming something precious and finite like oil would not be a good trade. The Old World doesn't grow any crop that would justify the cost and annoyance of importing oil to boost it. In the New World I might feel differently since lots of oil is right there, and rubber/sugar/coffee can act as hard caps on Old World population, but still. Hope I'm wrong and this isn't just a bullshit filler DLC. It should be worth doing tractors in the new world for sure, and it sounds like you could do it for livestock in any world. Khorne fucked around with this message at 00:10 on May 21, 2020 |
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May 21, 2020 00:07
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Steam-era tech where you increase the # of fields..? Ehhh.
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The big question is whether the Fuel building is going to consume Oil and produce Fuel which goes into the island stores like other goods, or if it's going to provide a service radius where the farms serviced get Tractors, like a power plant. If it's going to be the latter, huge loving missed opportunity to call it a Supply Boiler and have it put up reskinned versions of electric poles that support steam tubes, or for it to be a Vehicle Depot which costs Steam Engines in addition to other materials to build, and also consumes them slowly (as well as maybe intermediates like Steel and/or Brass at faster rates). e: ^^^ you're already looking at a rebuild, or at least a reworking, of residential areas once you roll a little ways into Engineers. At the cost of player attention for working out how to stack farms up into Tractor and Trade Union range at the same time, we should be able to produce substantially more agricultural raw materials in the same large amounts of space which we already have to dedicate to them, easing both space pressure and trade loading/unloading requirements on city islands, and eliminating some amount of need for Farmers as a little bonus. For sure it's not the thing you should probably sink your initial Steam Engine surplus into. e2: today I learned that shift-clicking upgrade on warehouses does indeed upgrade all warehouses. LonsomeSon fucked around with this message at 02:25 on May 21, 2020 |
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May 21, 2020 02:09
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Whenever I see pics of other people's well organized maximized islands I feel deep shame. I always have such a great plan in my head when I start building or re-building an island and I always end up jamming things in.
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Mazz posted:The big thing with the tractors is you can get to 300%+ productivity with them for farms, which means you'll be able to combo with some other features to massively reduce land usage. This isn't a problem in the old world but until they make some better islands available for the new world that is pretty loving handy. And with the animal farms you technically don't even need the steam engines/oil, you just need more feedcrop so you can get that madness started ASAP and then use your steam engines/oil to feed them. I look forward to my potato farms exploding from overproductivity much like my schnapps stills.
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:Steam-era tech where you increase the # of fields..? Ehhh. I think it sounds great, you'll be getting 300% production off of 150% of the space. That way you can more easily cram all your farms into a trade union radius and stack more buffs. This is way more of an improvement than just doubling production straight up. The only thing I wonder is if farms will still use unpowered carts because that could be kind of a bottleneck given how long they take to load and unload.
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May 21, 2020 19:03
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Bit the bullet and bought the base-game and both season passes. I'm glad I did, cause I love the atmosphere of the game. I started a new sandbox save and I just couldn't stay afloat financially, I was hemorrhaging money right from the start and couldn't recover. -200 credits got me bankrupt at 600 farmers / 1000 workers. Any advice on how I actually turn a profit, or was I being way too frugal with placing housing down? I was constantly riding the line in terms of excess workers, cause for some reason I assumed having 300+ unemployed farmers is not a good thing. But now I'm thinking that might be how I actually make money. Higher pop > more tax income > more necessities bought > factories turn a profit, right?
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Qubee posted:Bit the bullet and bought the base-game and both season passes. I'm glad I did, cause I love the atmosphere of the game. I started a new sandbox save and I just couldn't stay afloat financially, I was hemorrhaging money right from the start and couldn't recover. -200 credits got me bankrupt at 600 farmers / 1000 workers. Any advice on how I actually turn a profit, or was I being way too frugal with placing housing down? Press Ctrl Q and find out where your supply is not meeting your demand. Fix that and you'll be golden  Don't over build as those factories that are cranking out unused goods cost you money.
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Mayveena posted:Press Ctrl Q and find out where your supply is not meeting your demand. Fix that and you'll be golden So factories churn a profit even if the end-goal item isn't consumed by people? Stuff like sailcloth makers, steel bar factories etc?
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Qubee posted:So factories churn a profit even if the end-goal item isn't consumed by people? Stuff like sailcloth makers, steel bar factories etc? They continue making items until your island storage is full. There isn’t a happiness or tax income difference between having a consumer good need fully fulfilled and having .5 tons/min excess, or fully fulfilled and 50 tons/min excess, but there is a labor and upkeep cost overhead for all running production. Profit margins from Farmer and Worker taxes are pretty slim, so it’s best to skate close to underproduction, upgrade your first several Worker dwellings to Artisans and work up bare minimum production for their construction materials and basic goods, then start upgrading as rapidly as you can afford to get some breathing room with the Artisan taxes. Engineers have a similar and much sharper income spike and once you’re used to it Artisans seem like less of a bump, but they are a big milestone and revenue bump for the beginning of a new game. e: Potatoes and Soap can both be sold from Old World islands to the prison NPC via automatic trade route for a profit, after upkeep on the farms and a schooner. There are a few other goods which session-specific single-harbor NPCs will similarly pay profitable rates for which I don’t have memorized. You can sell ships at the Not-British ambassador’s place and the exotic goods lady, which isn’t a bad move if your shipyard is idle anyway and you’re close to cap on lumber and sails, before you get serious numbers of Artisans and reliable Beer deliveries. LonsomeSon fucked around with this message at 20:05 on May 21, 2020 |
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I was like halfway through the campaign but got embroiled in a war with one of the AI who basically colonised half the Old and New World and disrupted a bunch of my key supply chains so I'm not easily able to get the requisite upgrade materials from the Old to New World. So I ended up having to grind them off their islands by beseiging them so my convoys don't get eaten by their superior epoch ships and whatnot. That was/is kinda irritating, but then after taking over a bunch of islands, I find it crazy overwhelming to manage like 8 different islands. I mean obviously, the AI can do everything in parallel, but is it like...not a good idea to have so many islands? Or just take them over and leave them empty? I just kinda got exhausted trying to micromanage everywhere without a pause and have left the game alone for a while. I'm new to any Anno game, so I don't really know the basic strategy.
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Jeza posted:I was like halfway through the campaign but got embroiled in a war with one of the AI who basically colonised half the Old and New World and disrupted a bunch of my key supply chains so I'm not easily able to get the requisite upgrade materials from the Old to New World. So I ended up having to grind them off their islands by beseiging them so my convoys don't get eaten by their superior epoch ships and whatnot. Try to keep your large populations on 1-2 islands in the Old World and Cape, yeah, and use Commuter Piers where needed to staff remote Engineer and Artisan factories. If you need a few hundred Farmers on a non-city island early game, set them up with basic goods to make your numbers and then forget about them once the farms are working and trade routes are running. Basically build nothing that you can’t immediately drop out of detailed recall as soon as you’re done with it, and consider no build finished that you can’t leave for an hour of game time with an expectation of no problems.
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I was looking at commuter piers but they have like an upkeep of a 1000$ unless I looked at it wrong. I guess it will be less of a problem when I'm getting up there in Artisan/Engineer numbers but right now I'm floating around 4k profit, which is usually at risk if I have a bad newspaper / don't use propaganda.
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I decided this game I would use the production and city templates of the Anno wiki to be efficient and wow it's really helped. I haven't been in the negative at all the whole game and had over 10K coming in before I even got to Engineers. Also, I had no idea that the Copy Picker let you drag to select multiple things, complete game-changer.
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May 21, 2020 22:10
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Thom12255 posted:I decided this game I would use the production and city templates of the Anno wiki to be efficient and wow it's really helped. I haven't been in the negative at all the whole game and had over 10K coming in before I even got to Engineers. Also, I had no idea that the Copy Picker let you drag to select multiple things, complete game-changer.
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Oxyclean posted:I was looking at commuter piers but they have like an upkeep of a 1000$ unless I looked at it wrong. I guess it will be less of a problem when I'm getting up there in Artisan/Engineer numbers but right now I'm floating around 4k profit, which is usually at risk if I have a bad newspaper / don't use propaganda. Yes, in addition to the upkeep commuter piers have an influence cost so you want to save them for a few key islands where you can offload significant amounts of dirty industry or where you need artisan/engineer workforce. At least until you hit investors and start drowning in cash.
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Oxyclean posted:I was looking at commuter piers but they have like an upkeep of a 1000$ unless I looked at it wrong. I guess it will be less of a problem when I'm getting up there in Artisan/Engineer numbers but right now I'm floating around 4k profit, which is usually at risk if I have a bad newspaper / don't use propaganda. By the time you're really into Engineer and later Investor tiers you're just vomiting money to the point it loses meaning. Also if you have any rather nice and appealing islands the tourist docks quickly become a solid source of even more money. Money and specialists which can let you save more money from making stuff efficient.
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I'm trying to get my main island to a point where it's majority workers, but the absolute jugglefest I keep needing to do to ensure my agricultural goods are arriving is wearing me down. My two worker islands also have the added irritation of not having potato fertility, so I have to send potatoes over and even though I'm breaking even with supply/demand, the worker islands still aren't getting enough potatoes to keep their schnapps topped up. Any advice? I've set the trade routes to only take 20 potatoes at a time so they aren't throttling each other. Compounding this problem is whenever I upgrade a bunch of farmers to workers, my population spikes and then I need to add more potatoes and schnapp facilities. Argh! At least I'm no longer broke, I'm steadily in the +1000 credits range.
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My strategy has been to set up some farmer focused islands. One is pretty much entirely potatoes+schnapps, so I'm leaning towards overproducing and then I just ship it around to other islands. I would guess that even though you have enough potatoes for your distilleries, the shipping & crafting time is creating gaps? Trying to ramp beer production has been giving me headaches though. The ratio is a little weird and grain fields take up a ton of space. I'm also trying to do bread on that island and rapidly running out of space.
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Qubee posted:I'm trying to get my main island to a point where it's majority workers, but the absolute jugglefest I keep needing to do to ensure my agricultural goods are arriving is wearing me down. My two worker islands also have the added irritation of not having potato fertility, so I have to send potatoes over and even though I'm breaking even with supply/demand, the worker islands still aren't getting enough potatoes to keep their schnapps topped up. Any advice? I've set the trade routes to only take 20 potatoes at a time so they aren't throttling each other. That 20 potatoes per trip might not be enough if your population at the target island is large enough. There's another feature that might help you here, one that's been added since the game launched: The ability to keep a minimum amount of goods at a harbor reserved from being taken by trade routes. If you click the harbor of the island producing the potatoes, and select the potatoes, there's an option like "Keep minimum" or something (I forgot the exact wording). Your trade ships will never leave the island with less than the amount of potatoes you set with that, so you can have your ships take more per trip and they won't ever starve the island they're taking from. If you're still expanding workers, you may also want to produce somewhat more than is demanded just in case, since the lag between building production and it getting to your worker island may also prevent your pops/factories from being able to top off.
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Also make sure to produce all applicable luxury goods, keeping all your workers in beer for examples will give a large income boost.
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I've managed to fix my issue, I overproduce by 2 and set up triangular trade routes, with minimum stock. I pick up two goods and unload two goods between all islands to balance them out evenly. When I click the marketplace, does a blue bar mean production isn't fully met, whilst a green bar means it's fully met and I've got excess?
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Qubee posted:I've managed to fix my issue, I overproduce by 2 and set up triangular trade routes, with minimum stock. I pick up two goods and unload two goods between all islands to balance them out evenly. When I click the marketplace, does a blue bar mean production isn't fully met, whilst a green bar means it's fully met and I've got excess? Yeah
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if you have trelawney you don't need feeder islands (well except the nearby one that almost assuredly gets bell peppers) there, advantages of a lot of space but yeah for the starter city, if I am going to make a very serious effort opening, I go settle the two nearest islands with complementary fertilities for the needs and potatoes to offload basic production of farmer goods asap. It is rather affordable to get 4x schnapps/work clothes in each and ferry the additional supply to the main city, then get beer and sell soap to prison guy to build a financial buffer for artisan push grain annoys me because I don't seem to get any decent trade union hall upgrades for it at the start and is pretty much one of the most effective to minmax since it requires so much space, but using one of the islands to export flour/grain (to be processed into malt for beer) helps a ton edit: Qubee posted:I've managed to fix my issue, I overproduce by 2 and set up triangular trade routes, with minimum stock jfc never thought of doing that lmao
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Reminding folks that selling plantain chips to Isabel Sarmento is reliable easy income. All you need is bananas and jornaleros. I think a full stack nets like 5k.
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physeter posted:Reminding folks that selling plantain chips to Isabel Sarmento is reliable easy income. All you need is bananas and jornaleros. I think a full stack nets like 5k. Yup. Fried Plantains to Isabelle, Soap to Eli and Beer to Crazy Pirate Lady are your kings for trade. Get those up and don't really worry about cash for a while. Anything else comes either too early to really make money (I think technically Potatoes to Eli is profitable but you're selling them at $2/ton), too late to matter (your taxes are vomiting money) or too expensive to produce.
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Qubee posted:Bit the bullet and bought the base-game and both season passes. I'm glad I did, cause I love the atmosphere of the game. I started a new sandbox save and I just couldn't stay afloat financially, I was hemorrhaging money right from the start and couldn't recover. -200 credits got me bankrupt at 600 farmers / 1000 workers. Any advice on how I actually turn a profit, or was I being way too frugal with placing housing down? If you are anything like me, then you will restart once you get to engineers. I think my first 20 or more hours were getting up to artisans and the restarting. The game is iterative and you gain knowledge with each experiment. For me that knowledge was go to the anno wiki, roll the correct island seed and copy a layout from someone more obsessed than me. It worked out well and now I have an empire. I need to get back into anno.
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vandalism posted:If you are anything like me, then you will restart once you get to engineers. I think my first 20 or more hours were getting up to artisans and the restarting. The game is iterative and you gain knowledge with each experiment. For me that knowledge was go to the anno wiki, roll the correct island seed and copy a layout from someone more obsessed than me. It worked out well and now I have an empire. I need to get back into anno. Nah, the second I do this and just copy someone else's ideas and layouts, the game will lose my interest and I'll not enjoy the puzzle of it. I've looked at city layouts and all that for inspiration, but I've told myself I won't copy them. It just taught me that new cities always, and I mean always, get started out as blueprints first. It lets me jostle things around and get it all to fit neatly without committing to a dud layout. Most I'll do is look up strategies if I'm genuinely stuck in figuring out how to make a specific mechanic work (I reckon that'll happen when I hit electricity / oil), but I won't look into it too much to the point where it wipes away any originality I would have had when it came to solving it myself.
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I use city layouts on the dump/prod isles that I don't care about. These overworked 0 luxery poors can live in grid-city, just like the workers-houses in ye olde Victorian times. Pretty stuff and creativity for the main city though.
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So I'm slowly transitioning my main island to workers / artisans with a skeletal farmer workforce. I'm starting to get a large backlog of ships at my docks. What can I do to speed this up? I can't place down a second loading dock so I'm at a loss. I haven't yet upgraded to artisan as I want to iron out all the kinks with just the two tiers of pop I currently have, adding a 3rd into the mix will just get messy.
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Qubee posted:So I'm slowly transitioning my main island to workers / artisans with a skeletal farmer workforce. I'm starting to get a large backlog of ships at my docks. What can I do to speed this up? I can't place down a second loading dock so I'm at a loss. I haven't yet upgraded to artisan as I want to iron out all the kinks with just the two tiers of pop I currently have, adding a 3rd into the mix will just get messy. Piers are the answer but you have to get to artisans to get them.
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