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BravestOfTheLamps posted:It pays lip service to progress, but still ends with a feudal despot heroically reinstated. A CIA agent looks on, happily, as Wakanda joins the world (there's a pretence that the agent's a clown whose gone rogue, intended to distract from the fact that the CIA is perfectly in favour of T'Challa to the point of tweeting about the movie in real life). The movie's major plot point with the CIA comes when Agent Bilbo Baggins admits what Wakandan isolationists always feared, that the CIA recruits troubled youths from the inner city to become elite killers with the goal of destabilizing and taking over governments like Wakanda's. Such a CIA operative is revealed as the villain, while eventually Baggins has to literally embrace the Wakandan way of life to help them. T'Challa becomes the first Wakandan king to care about the African diaspora as anything but a potential security risk, while maintaining Wakandan sovereignty instead of becoming the client state you describe when he and his countrymen prove themselves stronger than this influence. My advice is not to get your takes on movies from the CIA's twitter. Name Change fucked around with this message at 08:52 on Feb 25, 2019 |
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Sodomy Hussein posted:The movie's major plot point with the CIA comes when Agent Bilbo Baggins admits what Wakandan isolationists always feared, that the CIA recruits troubled youths from the inner city to become elite killers with the goal of destabilizing and taking over governments like Wakanda's. Such a CIA operative is revealed as the villain, while eventually Baggins has to literally embrace the Wakandan way of life to help them. This deception came up a lot in the Black Panther thread: Killmonger is actually working for American hegemony because he's using his Black Ops training to destabilize governments, while the white CIA agent represents multicultural cooperation and is thus the antithesis of American imperialism. But the truth is that the CIA is opposed to black revolutionaries and is totally in favour of "multicultural cooperation" because it operates by finding local supporters. That's why the CIA likes the movie. The Spook Who Sat by the Door has a black CIA agent use his skills to start a revolution against the American government. He's destabilizing the government, he's totally evil! BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 09:09 on Feb 25, 2019 |
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:This deception came up a lot in the Black Panther thread: Killmonger is actually working for American hegemony because he's using his Black Ops training to destabilize governments, while the white CIA agent represents multicultural cooperation and is thus the antithesis of American imperialism. Oh I'm sorry we were talking about Black Panther, do you need some time to catch up?
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Oh I'm sorry we were talking about Black Panther, do you need some time to catch up? And it's straight to non-sequiturs. This is why it's odd that Black Panther's "influence" should be celebrated: the only thing influential about it is apparently a salute, which puts it on par with Hunger Games. Afrofeudalism isn't Afrofuturism. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 09:35 on Feb 25, 2019 |
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this was good at least https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK8qzF2U22Y
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:And it's straight to non-sequiturs. You're doing a synopsis of Black Panther by The Onion, which is to say willfully misreading the movie for chuckles. I would expect nothing less from the guy who has been straight-up kicked out of multiple threads for this same crap. T'Challa isn't a despot even if you squint; the movie is explicitly about the end of the old system in Wakanda, despotic or not. The white guy isn't multicultural cooperation, he's essentially sold on Wakandan sovereignty and at one point isn't even allowed to talk. Wakanda already has its saviours. It's not by accident that his mission to interfere in Wakandan affairs is shut down, or that he has to do the "Wakanda Forever!" sign to close out his plot. The CIA and Wakanda are actually working together to prevent the kind of stuff you are worried about. The plot hinges on Wakanda not doing things the way the CIA historically has, including with "local supporters." (Inner city terror cells in this case). But the movie still grapples with the damage done by these kinds of policies. Killmonger is raised up one in one revolutionary culture and crosses over to the other. Ultimately we arrive at the uncontroversial idea that overthrowing governments to perpetuate/increase hegemony and human misery = bad. And so on. Don't fall into this lazy intellectual trap that Ryan Coogler is pro-CIA.
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I just got through watching it. The BP is the result of some crazy corruption, but Spike and Olivia Colman winning stuff and Alfonso giving the same speech three times evened things out. I'm not going to bed angry. Yorgos Lanthimos with tears running down his cheeks during Olivia's speech was pretty precious. e: also the Streisand/Lee hat bonding. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 10:15 on Feb 25, 2019 |
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Sodomy Hussein posted:T'Challa isn't a despot even if you squint; the movie is explicitly about the end of the old system in Wakanda, despotic or not. Ryan Coogler's personal politics are irrelevant compared to the ideas his movie expresses. Wakanda in the movie is a feudal state ruled by various clans and tribes, which is an everyday reality in large parts of the Middle East and in Africa (it's a painful situation where tribal politics and patronage undermine the state and democracy, but the states and democracies are so weak that people have no other choice but to rely on tribal politics and patronage). Wakanda has just formalized it with a council of rulers who have their own fiefdoms (much like medieval Europe). And all feudalism is despotism. Killmonger claims to want to kill white people and their children, but one of the places he's trying to spread revolution is Hong Kong - which has neither a substantial black population nor a white ruling class. So what he's actually trying to overthrow has be the PRC, an authoritarian capitalist state. Hong Kong has a body of democratic activists who oppose the mainland government's creeping takeover of the city. The stuff about killing white people is rhetoric, democracy is the real goal. So T'Challa teams up with the CIA to prevent democracy in China - and elsewhere. But according to you it's all good because a white man does a black power salute. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 12:30 on Feb 25, 2019 |
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What was the John Williams song they played during the memorial, was it from Superman? edit: nevermind, it was Leaving Home, from Superman Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 11:18 on Feb 25, 2019 |
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Feb 25, 2019 10:57
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Killmonger is the protagonist of movie Black Panther.
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They played two seconds of Return of the Living Dead at the Oscars: Good Oscars.
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They also forgot about Dick Miller: bad Oscars.
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DrVenkman posted:They also forgot about Dick Miller Too painful to include.
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loving Green Book?
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bohemian rhapsody winning best editing LOL
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Groovelord Neato posted:bohemian rhapsody winning best editing LOL that's the most bizarre choice imo
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Groovelord Neato posted:bohemian rhapsody winning best editing LOL Roma is RIGHT loving THERE Goddamn what a shitshow.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Ryan Coogler's personal politics are irrelevant compared to the ideas his movie expresses. Can we at least all agree that we were robbed of the war movie sequel where Killmonger’s outnumbered but scrappy revolutionaries fight their way through London and storm the Houses of Parliament with their battle rhino?
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Guy A. Person posted:Lol you say this as if there weren't 6 other nominees as well as dozens of other more deserving movies released this year I say that as if there were other more deserving films both released and nominated, actually. The fact that they managed to give Best Picture to Green Book instead of literally any of those other films is proof that BP could've won. They managed to give the Oscar to a film that was definitively worse -- one so poorly made that Ali actually apologized to the family of the person he portrayed -- which goes to show what bullshit it is.
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INT. DANK TORTURE BASEMENT – NIGHT The sound of metal chains whipping against bare flesh hang heavy in the air, like a bird flying into a headwind. The room is damp and sparsely lit. BravestOfTheLamps scarred jowls are illuminated by a desk lamp laying sideways on the floor BravestOfTheLamps Which reading is true? Which reading is true? WHICH READING IS TRUE!? Sodomy Hussein [Spits mouthful of blood] The words are used specifically for their literal intention, the events are straightforward so as to be easily understood by an audience of children. The beating begins again, with a furious vigour, until BravestOfTheLamps can barely stand. He rests one hand against a dirty wall, sweat marring his 1993 Nebraska Film Festival hypercolor t-shirt. BravestOfTheLamps The opposite reading is true… The opposite reading is true. I’ve been to college. Sodomy Hussein straightens his posture, his pride and dignity unscathed by the days long assault of a fat, stupid man. Sodomy Hussein Any perceived allusions to facism in A Goofy Movie are a wholesale invention of a misguided viewer. BravestOfTheLamps adopts the look of a man who has been defeated. Wearily, he grabs a shotgun that had been resting in the corner, and cocks it loudly. Sodomy Hussein Goofy simply wishes to bond with his son through fishing, a traditional pastime, as he had done with his own father. It is neither parable nor allegory. Neither dog was molested, the material does not support this.
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Ultimately we arrive at the uncontroversial idea that overthrowing governments = bad.
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watch Widows
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PT6A posted:I say that as if there were other more deserving films both released and nominated, actually. The fact that they managed to give Best Picture to Green Book instead of literally any of those other films is proof that BP could've won. They managed to give the Oscar to a film that was definitively worse -- one so poorly made that Ali actually apologized to the family of the person he portrayed -- which goes to show what bullshit it is. Sure, but the weirdly aggressive "they're so dumb they should have their nose rubbed in it like dog piss" thing still makes no sense because both movies were, in fact, undeserving. The argument was never "the academy isn't dumb enough to have a bland super hero movie win" it was always "the academy is very, very dumb and awards bad poo poo"
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best picture should have gone to minding the gap
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Kull the Conqueror posted:watch Widows No one should
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Ryan Coogler's personal politics are irrelevant compared to the ideas his movie expresses. No, they aren't. Next!
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The real tragedy is First Reformed not winning anything at all.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:No, they aren't. Next! George Orwell wrote 1984, an immortally famous denunciation of totalitarianism and surveillance (bad fiction, though). Orwell also informed the British government which of his fellow Communists might be spies, which today inspires some vitriol from leftists. An author's personal politics are irrelevant because fiction is not and never will be a 1-to-1 transliteration of its author's thoughts and views. Roland Barthes posted:To give an Author to a text is to impose upon that text a stop clause, to furnish it with a final signification, to close the writing. This conception perfectly suits criticism, which can then take as its major task the discovery of the Author (or his hypostases: society, history, the psyche, freedom) beneath the work: once the Author is discovered, the text is “explained:’ the critic has conquered... Sometimes a leftist author is a government informer. Sometimes it makes even perfect sense, because why wouldn't the author of 1984 be opposed to Soviet spies? Works aren't defined by their authors - authors are defined by their works. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Feb 25, 2019 |
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eric blair was a democratic socialist not a communist. he loathed stalin and his list was not about informing the government about spies but who shouldn't be asked to write for an agency specifically tasked with counteracting soviet influence. that doesn't change that the politics of black panther are poo poo.
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Groovelord Neato posted:eric blair was a democratic socialist not a communist. I suppose he was also in the People's Front of Judea?
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I think Death of the Author is an important point of discussion with regards to film criticism and theory. However, let's pursue that
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Roma didn't win best editing or sound smdh First Man didn't win sound mixing smdh Well, at the very least Vice left with almost nothing and can gently caress off back to the shithole it emerged from forever
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I just realised Christian Bale's transition into a fat balding politician was all for nought.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:I just realised Christian Bale's transition into a fat balding politician was all for nought. It'll be completely forgotten like 2 years from now lol Much like The Fighter and almost every role he's ever done aside from Batman and American Psycho.
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Basebf555 posted:It'll be completely forgotten like 2 years from now lol Hey now, we still talk about Skinny Machinist Bale.
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Franchescanado posted:Hey now, we still talk about Skinny Machinist Bale. Good luck finding someone on the street that's even heard of The Machinist.
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Basebf555 posted:It'll be completely forgotten like 2 years from now lol Good. Hopefully Adam Mckay goes away.
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Basebf555 posted:Good luck finding someone on the street that's even heard of The Machinist. It's an okay movie. Not sure why anyone would lose deadly weight to do the role tho
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