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Toalpaz posted:B- gets the short end of the stick a lot d1 and I doubt he's salty about that/holds personal grudges. he *was* leading the vote and if last game is any indication acts irrationally under pressure basically, the logical stretches you'd have to make to think this is real are unreasonable for someone who played in ff i've not played with food much so idk what their thinking is, but it's a bad vote
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b-minus1 posted:Agreed. lol ilu ##vote toal
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Eeeeh fuckem ##vote b-
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Toalpaz posted:Eeeeh fuckem ##vote b- booooo town lie, and this one caught bad votes, though i think yours is worse
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Jan 18, 2019 18:57
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Don't worry of we all vote total and they stop posting cause they cant handle the pressure as scum well test it.
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imgay posted:Don't worry of we all vote total and they stop posting cause they cant handle the pressure as scum well test it. Knees weak moms spagetti There's vomit on their sweater already.
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Jonathan Fisk posted:toal, why did you believe this claim? Toal is a scumbo this game. His belief of b+1 is win/win from a scum perspective. 1) It's an easy mislunch for D1 (provided you are town). 2) It sets him up to push b+1 tomorrow (provided b+1 is town).
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Lol toal must be town, only town is dumb enough to fall for an obvious fake claim, be not at all self conscious about dropping a vote on it, and then acting mad and all "lynch all liars!" after the fact
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Jan 18, 2019 19:18
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I guess I should breadcrumb. My name is Connie F. This is a breadcrumb.
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Retro Futurist posted:Lol toal must be town, only town is dumb enough to fall for an obvious fake claim, be not at all self conscious about dropping a vote on it, and then acting mad and all "lynch all liars!" after the fact Or you’re coaching them in scum chat ##vote rf
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Jan 18, 2019 19:21
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Working another double today zzzz
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Jan 18, 2019 19:25
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Retro Futurist posted:Lol toal must be town, only town is dumb enough to fall for an obvious fake claim, be not at all self conscious about dropping a vote on it, and then acting mad and all "lynch all liars!" after the fact would you say toal is too scummy to be scum :/
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Jan 18, 2019 19:34
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Toalpaz posted:First scumbo right here. Calls bee movie town here. Toalpaz posted:Its mostly a joke but I'm throwing stuff out there and seeing what happens. I suppose you can call it a method of content creation and deduction. Oh hey that's almost exactly what bee movie was doing with his fake N0 cop. Toalpaz posted:Okay Takes bee movie's vote at face value. Toalpaz posted:Why wouldn't you believe cop claim / scum result. Defends it. Toalpaz posted:B- gets the short end of the stick a lot d1 and I doubt he's salty about that/holds personal grudges. Defends bee. Toalpaz posted:Eeeeh fuckem ##vote b- Caves. This is a scumpaz guys. He tried to toe the line of jokephase, fell on the wrong side, and is scrambling to get back but keeps tripping over his own lies.
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Tobbs silently hops off of B-'s turbo once it hits 4 votes and I suggest we should seriously do it, this is ambiguous so that he can insert the meaning later once he's gauged people's reactions. Toalpaz posted:First scumbo right here. Tobbs Gnawed posted:Bee is scum but I want to get a better feel for everyone. Gives a serious response to hopping off the turbo once I insinuate it's to save face as scum and self conscious (joke turbo I would have unvoted later). And so, thinks b- is scum here but it's too early. Tobbs Gnawed posted:[quote="Somberbrero" post="491755927"] Hops on to a vote on me in a manner that could only be described as ambiguous. We don't know his reason for voting me at the time, other than 'my appeal to authority' that was a mocking joke to get people on the joke turbo. Tobbs Gnawed posted:I have an ever so slight town-read of people who asked for a confessional in the now-hidden obs-chat. Why? Elaborates that actually he has a town read of B-, and doesn't think B- is scum because of meta information. Tobbs Gnawed posted:[quote="merk" post="491748103"] Tobbs Gnawed posted:[quote="Somberbrero" post="491755927"] Votes me in the same joking manner that he voted B- for. Now I've reached the same amount of votes as B-, but rather than back off because he's cautious and wants to find more scum, Tobbs is digging in and cased further. Despite the fact that I asked for a confessional in the landing page of JimmyDalad games, and he remembers that stuff, thus I have the same meta pro-town point that he's mentioned for B- Tobbs doesn't bring up here. Despite being sure about B- being scum, he's dropped that thread altogether for having a meta read that he should have of me too. Tobbs doesn't care about finding scum, he's just looking for an easy vote and seeking to avoid conflict and suspicion by being ambiguous.
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Jan 18, 2019 19:51
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Okay this is the real thunderdome ##vote tobbs
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Do you know what I remember from the now-inaccessible obs-doc? You asked to be scum. I remember because I wrote it down in my confessional. It was a pain because you changed your name to evil cat bug friend and I had to compare your avatar with your FF confessional.
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Jan 18, 2019 20:06
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Murmur Twin posted:##vote Hum Potential scumpost.
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Toalpaz posted:casing Tobbs in the middle of this awesome party for some reason It feels to me like some of this you're trying to make fit. If Tobbs is scum and was sitting on a vote for b-minus that pushed a bit near to hammer it would be easy enough to stay away conveniently for awhile and come back and just be one of the people who "wasn't around to stop the turbo" the next day if a few more giddy town just happened to go for it, whereas backing off has what advantages, exactly? I'm not sold on your assertion that Tobbs unvoted quietly to gauge reactions. I will note that my read of a lot of the votes on b-minus, at least at first, were joke votes. Usually I feel like people who overly justify stepping off a joke vote read scummy to me, and Tobbs giving a serious response to your insinuation doesn't particularly ping me, seems alright to engage with the content. Toalpaz posted:Okay this is the real thunderdome If it were a real thunderdome I'd probably lean a vote on you right now but overall I'm feeling like I just don't agree with your case. Tangentially related to you I feel like somberero's "appeal to authority" comment is odd as I read that statement as a joke and that response + vote seemed overly serious out of nowhere. I've also got my eye on ASF, haven't really engaged so far but after b-minus' claim slid in to vote with it, and that reads weirder to me than your own vote on fisk.
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Actually ##vote ASF why would town hear a n0 cop claim and just slide into the thread to toss a vote in belief of it without engaging with the claim at all?
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Jan 18, 2019 20:25
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U killed joke phase while I was at work
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Jan 18, 2019 20:34
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I don't follow why toal's vote is good but food's is bad
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Jan 18, 2019 20:37
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ASF seems flippant to me. Could be scum but doesn't really stand out.
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Jan 18, 2019 20:46
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That nep vote takes a really sharp turn into food without even really addressing why the two votes are different to nep It's weird and sus
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Toal is least engaging with stuff, I think Toal's worst looking vote here is not the fisk vote itself but rather the spin around vote on b-minus. Toal is just overall waffling around a lot and it feels like they're actually trying to produce content and get reactions. ASF in contrast haven't really heard from at all and no idea what their stances are other than that vote.
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Nep-Nep posted:Toal is least engaging with stuff, I think Toal's worst looking vote here is not the fisk vote itself but rather the spin around vote on b-minus. Toal is just overall waffling around a lot and it feels like they're actually trying to produce content and get reactions. ASF in contrast haven't really heard from at all and no idea what their stances are other than that vote. Hal, MMT, snooze have all offered zero game-related content. Both Toal and ASF took b+1 at face value. Toal, however, has bounced all over the place with his opinions and votes with very little explanation. He cased me as scum because I explained myself.
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Hal, MMT, snooze have all offered zero game-related content. No because you doubled down on a vote that could have been presented as a joke either way after calculating the risk to yourself and the people who seemed to be ribbing me at the time. You've waffled quiet a bit, calling your vote on B- serious twice when I brought up you leaving the vote. But now B- is a day 1 town read to you. I don't know how you can accuse me of waffling when you're in the same or a similar position.
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Jan 18, 2019 21:11
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Hal, MMT, snooze have all offered zero game-related content. Why is this statement relevant? I feel like you're trying to cast more doubt on my ASF vote by implying it's odd of me to single ASF out for low content when there are others who have posted but I voted ASF for having basically nothing to say other than that vote. I didn't look into all 3 of these posters but just looking at Hal he posted a greeting and that's it. These aren't equivalent post histories.
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Toalpaz posted:No because you doubled down on a vote that could have been presented as a joke either way after calculating the risk to yourself and the people who seemed to be ribbing me at the time. What you're missing is an evolution of opinion. You went from very seriously taking b+1's N0 cop claim to voting him. All that happened in between was that Fisk applied a little pressure. I hopped on a turbo vote because it was funny, and I hopped off because I didn't want D1 to end 3 days before deadline. I was ok with his lynch until I looked back at my confessional and saw that I had a slight town read of him. Do you believe the N0 cop claim? Do you think Fisk is scum? If you think the claim is fake, do you think b+1 made it because he's scum? Where's the thought process? It looks to me like you're engaging in impression management but are forgetting to back up your vote shifts with reasoning.
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Nep-Nep posted:Why is this statement relevant? I feel like you're trying to cast more doubt on my ASF vote by implying it's odd of me to single ASF out for low content when there are others who have posted but I voted ASF for having basically nothing to say other than that vote. I didn't look into all 3 of these posters but just looking at Hal he posted a greeting and that's it. These aren't equivalent post histories. Your vote is based on not knowing what ASF's stances are. That's the difference between Toalpaz and ASF, per your explanation. If you're voting based on a lack of relevant info presented, there are better cases out there. At least three of them.
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Calls bee movie town here. This is a real piece of manipulation right here. In this post I'm accusing tobbs of hopping off of the B- train because of this reason: As town you don't know what a person will flip. If you're town on a train or turbo you could be on scum or you could be on town. However! Scum know who they're turboing! They may hop off a train or a turbo because they don't want to be caught turboing town, especially if there's a lot of scum on the vote. They also might hop off a vote if they're turboing scum. Town doesn' t know that! So when I ask Tobbs if he's hopping off the train because B- is town, I'm making a scum read of Tobbs, accusing him of having scum knowledge. Not specifically a town read of B-. So right here he's purposefully misreading and misrepresenting the interaction here to make me look bad, scummy. Tobbs Gnawed posted:Oh hey that's almost exactly what bee movie was doing with his fake N0 cop. Exactly what B- is doing with the fake N0 cop? Generating content? Fine. That's fine. But there's nothing scummy about taking a cop claim seriously even d1. To do anything else is baseless set up spec. For the purposes of the game you have to take people relatively seriously. Nevertheless! Even if I take B- seriously here and he admits to joking, I don't have to think B- is scum here! And still have a null read. Tobbs Gnawed posted:Defends it. Once again, what's wrong with believing a cop result. If people lie or are kidding around it's their fault if people misinterpret it. I would vote on cop results and I'll defend voting on results forever. Tobbs Gnawed posted:Defends bee. Defends B- and Caves? Inbetween these posts B- told me it was a fake result made as a joke, so I vote him out of frustration because it turned out he was lying to me/kidding? That's pretty important context to leave out when making a post like this, and offers a reasonable town explanation for what I did. I don't see how you can honestly form this argument without willfully omitting important information with the sole purpose of making me look scummy. It's pretty obvious that you're making a fake case against me because you're scum.
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:Your vote is based on not knowing what ASF's stances are. That's the difference between Toalpaz and ASF, per your explanation. Not really that so much as I feel Toalpaz is trying. My vote on ASF isn't "bam, case closed, d2 please" but rather "hey ASF this is fishy wanna talk about this?" and I feel that should be pretty obvious and not something I have to state but here were are.
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Toalpaz posted:They may hop off a train or a turbo because they don't want to be caught turboing town, especially if there's a lot of scum on the vote. They also might hop off a vote if they're turboing scum. If you think Tobbs is scum and did this, do you believe there were other scum on the vote? If so, any idea who that would be?
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Nep-Nep posted:Not really that so much as I feel Toalpaz is trying. My vote on ASF isn't "bam, case closed, d2 please" but rather "hey ASF this is fishy wanna talk about this?" and I feel that should be pretty obvious and not something I have to state but here were are. A) ASF is scummy for believing b+1's N0 cop claim. B) Toalpaz is less scummy despite doing the same thing because he is posting more. If you take A-B you get a a lurker case.
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Toalpaz posted:##vote vote b+ were getting there friends Toalpaz posted:-3 were almost there, I don't want a no lunch Toalpaz posted:Come on scum hop on it isn't too late Toalpaz posted:First scumbo right here. Yeah, I don't buy it. You hard pushed a turbo, and are calling me scum for backing off? You can write as many convoluted paragraphs as you want, but you're behaving as if you know b+1's alignment. If b+1 is scum, backing off here is scummy. You don't make that assumption, though. You jump right to saying I'm somehow scummy for refusing to turbo someone who is town. Your case and reasoning don't make a lick of sense unless you already know b+1's alignment.
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Nep-Nep posted:If you think Tobbs is scum and did this, do you believe there were other scum on the vote? If so, any idea who that would be? This is just mafia theory but taken altogether with how Tobbs is acting makes me susp of Tobbs. With just the theory it's hard/impossible to create a real case against b- or others in on the vote, but Tobbs acted strangly around that vote as you agreed with. That, taken together with all the weird things he's said/how he argues about how I'm scum (by omitting context, presenting the case by saying that I'm acting without reason even though the reason is there, not casing me and b- the same even though there are simularities in the points he makes) brings me to the conclusion that Tobbs is scum.
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