juche avocado posted:

I'd like the opportunity to defend her* w/o coming off as a white knight & without being preemptively accused of being/dismissed as toxic and aggressive and "not worth it"

like there are a lot of claims being thrown around about her already in this thread's barely-existence that are just flat-out false; some are opinions that were forged in the fires of a specific internet conflagration that are still being trotted out today, disavowal or realizing-of-wrongness be damned

imo that's pretty toxic?? refusing to let a person err? or, worse, deciding that somebody's not for you for whatever reason (that's fine, but), ignoring them (fine, too), and then using words and a tone that really implies you think a person could never grow or change or admit wrongdoing after you stopped paying attention to them?

obviously it's not toxic itt I'm just saying the attitude, that thought process, that writing someone off like that, in that unforgiving way, is toxic, to me

*tbh, defending my liking her & her videos

i think she represents incredibly important contribution to LGBT politics — in an outreach/literally-political sense not in a genesis intelligence "i invented 69th wave feminism" sense

420 Gank Mid posted:

Did you miss that part where a whole bunch of terfs did a letter writing campaign to defund a children's charity that saves the lives of at-risk trans youth?

Stottie Kyek posted:

No. 1 Apartheid Fan posted:

You seem like the kind of person the term "ally" actually exists for.

There's a kind of kneejerk negativity among trans people toward transvestites, drag queens, etc because they're frustrated with being identified with them and trying to make the point that we're separate, but like the larger LGBTQ obsession with the argument that we're hardline products of nature and not nurture, it's a cudgel to pound our dumb antagonists with and not actually a description of reality as best understood. For many trans people, the process of identity formation and self-discovery and coming out involves a tenure as a crossdresser or a drag performer or a sexual fetishist, followed by the dawning realization that this identity is something more than a mask and a costume. Sometimes it even goes back the other way, as people who identified as trans later negotiate a life they're happy with expressing that identity on a part-time or performance basis and living mostly in their assigned gender.

None of which is to say I think you're proto-trans, or whatever, but rather that I think there's absolutely zero good reason for hostility or a lack of acceptance. Do you, dude, and when we need help speak out for us and when some creep harasses you we'll help you kick their rear end.

Jose posted:

https://twitter.com/PinkNews/status/1088519334971011073?s=19

an actual dog posted:

a weird number of people don't know about prep. you'd think it would be big news but no straight people know it's wild

Jose posted:

https://twitter.com/PinkNews/status/1088519334971011073?s=19

Stottie Kyek posted:

AIUI the issue was with that particular charity. Lots of charities that support trans youth also receive Lottery funding but weren't the target of any campaign. Mermaids, on the other hand, is under fire mostly for their homophobia:



and for teaching gender identity in terms of gender stereotypes (their training materials show a spectrum from Barbie to GI Joe), and reporting an attempted suicide rate among trans kids many times higher than the NHS's Gender Identity Development Service does, for advising on a TV drama (Butterfly) that broke just about every media guideline there is on depicting suicide attempts, and for contradicting advice given by the NHS.
The doctor they refer parents to, Helen Webberley, is currently suspended and under investigation by the GMC, and her husband who works with her is only allowed to practise medicine under extremely tight conditions.
Mermaids was the subject of a court order stopping them from contacting one family after the NHS Tavistock gender clinic had concluded their 7-year-old was not trans, but Mermaids insisted he was.

GIRES, LGBT Youth Scotland, LGBT Health and Wellbeing, any number of charities would have been a better choice for helping trans children, ones that only real extremists would oppose. But a charity involved in a lot of controversies and reminiscent of ex-gay organisations was a problem.

an actual dog posted:

I'm gay

Silly Hyena posted:

Can't speak for the other groups but LGBT Youth Scotland absolutely does get anger directed at it from the mumsnet crowd. Okay yeah only "real extremists" oppose them, but TERF is an extremist position so it's full of extremists.

an actual dog posted:

a weird number of people don't know about prep. you'd think it would be big news but no straight people know it's wild

Liquid Communism posted:

A weird number also don't know that it doesn't prevent any other STDs and think it's a license to bareback, because US sex ed is loving awful, even when it means well.

Is there anyone actually campaigning to get LGBTQ info into sex ed? It feels like there should be, but I know we're still struggling to get something that isn't just 'Jesus says don't be fuckin' in places still.

EugeneJ posted:

Look up how conservative politicians rallied against the HPV vaccine years ago because it would be giving people a "free pass" for promiscuous sex

quote:

1. DO NOT take them to any therapist who claims to specialize in 'gender identity,' 'gender dysphoria' or purports to help those who are 'questioning their gender identity'. These therapists are likely to simply affirm your child and encourage them to persist in their belief without ever questioning why they may feel this way. In some cases, such therapists have recommended social and medical transition after as little as one visit. We have even heard reports of therapists recommending this over the phone without ever having met the child.

2. Choose an experienced therapist (minimum 10 years) who has a large population of adolescent and young adult patients, especially young girls. They are most likely to be noticing that a lot of their patients are suddenly deciding they are trans and may already be growing suspicious.

Be proactive. Help them to learn about this dangerous trend by bringing them helpful, authoritative articles, such as

“Gender Dysphoria is Not One Thing” written by Drs. Bailey and Blanchard, two of the world's most respected researchers in gender dysphoria,

“Rapid-Onset Gender Dysphoria in Adolescents and Young Adults”, Dr. Lisa Littman’s groundbreaking new study, and

"Rapid-onset gender dysphoria in adolescents stirs debate" posted in MedScape.

3. Before you allow your child to spend any time alone with a therapist, prescreen them by asking them open-ended questions to learn their approach towards gender dysphoric kids. Really listen to their answers. This should give you a very good idea of their approach.

If they act insulted that you would dare to question them, leave.
If they refuse to tell you their approach, leave.
If they tell you they will 'affirm' your child, or ‘let the child be their guide’, leave.

4. Be extremely wary of any therapist who intentionally excludes the parents from the child's therapy and insists on only seeing the child alone. They may be encouraging your child behind your back. (We have even heard reports of this - and it was at a major children's hospital.)

Find a therapist who is willing to involve the parents - at times - as part of the therapy. Gender dysphoria can have roots in the family dynamic, so it is important to find a therapist who is willing to take this into consideration.

No. 1 Apartheid Fan posted:

The thing about the ROGD bullshit that's so striking, looking at that image, is how many of the things in it are things these parents are actively being a party to by attacking their kids for experimenting with gender identity.

"Hmm, I guess people are claiming femininity as a response to being bullied for being sissies. Perhaps the solution is for me to use the weight of the medical-industrial complex to pathologize and punish them for being a little sissy, in hopes they'll become a normal boy."

Also, gotta love that "misogyny" bubble. Because it makes a tremendous amount of sense that transwomen want to "become women" because they hate women, and also transmen want to "become men" because they hate women.

SunAndSpring posted:

Chasterson posted:

A hilarious thing about Dr. Blanchard is that he a gay man thinks that trans lesbians are into anal for the wrong reasons

Control Volume posted:

Silly Hyena posted:

Who cares about the nuances of TERF and homophobia theory, they're boring as poo poo and none of them actually believe any of it at all. It's just post-hoc justification for hating people where they cast themselves as the good guys.

juche avocado posted:

can we talk about how happy it's made me that a real loving gay man is running for president, and he isn't terrible??? buttigieg!!!!!

Zyla posted:

contra is cool but she is also a bigtime liberal, and very much not a leftist no matter what some people try to say. This is to say that she's great but just take some of it with a grain of salt, and also she tends to be a little pessimistic about certain aspects of transness that might give impressionable people the wrong impressions!

juche avocado posted:

THAT SAID let me tell you about my invention, 69th wave feminism