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ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

Crook County

The first weeks of the protests where the Columbus statues were getting pulled down, Italian Americans from my old neighborhood were reposting the Columbus Sopranos clip and the bike scene from A Bronx Tale saying that’s how they need to treat any liberal who touches the statue.

Then the mayor tore that motherfucker down for us.

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Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017



ruddiger posted:

The first weeks of the protests where the Columbus statues were getting pulled down, Italian Americans from my old neighborhood were reposting the Columbus Sopranos clip and the bike scene from A Bronx Tale saying that’s how they need to treat any liberal who touches the statue.

Get a drink thrown at them and then hide in the car?

Vogler
Feb 6, 2009


Low Desert Punk posted:

i've gathered that people really hate AJ's character and maybe he'll get worse, I dunno (finishing up season 3) but i love him. some of his line readings are loving hysterical. like the entire gutters scene and him telling Meadow about Jackie Jr

"They shot him. He's, like, dead."

also him getting Carmela The Matrix for her birthday and immediately scurrying off with the disc once everyone's distracted so he can watch it

I loved those moments too. There's plenty of laughs between season 3 and when he got his eyebrows shaved off at a party in season 5. Keep in mind that a lot of Sopranos fans are complete morons. "He's such a useless, spoiled brat!" Yes that's the point. No one wants to see themselves in AJ, I guess.

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002


AJ is the ultimate fail son, right down to getting a lovely career as a Dgirl at a porn production house making bad regular movies. It's like the son of one of the Koch brothers selling socks.

codo27
Apr 21, 2008

"I dont fully understand football contracts but you can just be outright cut if you're shit right? With no penalties? Hockey needs that."

I Am Marc Bergevin IRL


You know, Dominic is flawless as junior but I believe I remember correctly that Sirico auditioned as well. Watching that old 1989 interview with him again where he's so smooth, he's so great as Paulie but I think he could have made an amazing junior as well

Low Desert Punk
Jul 4, 2012

i have absolutely no fucking money


codo27 posted:

Watching that old 1989 interview with him again where he's so smooth, he's so great as Paulie but I think he could have made an amazing junior as well

this made me curious what Tony looked like as a younger man and wowza



he looks like he would be one of the mobsters at the dinner in Italy, ironically

codo27
Apr 21, 2008

"I dont fully understand football contracts but you can just be outright cut if you're shit right? With no penalties? Hockey needs that."

I Am Marc Bergevin IRL


Tightly knit group itt, but for those who didn't see it when posted before
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxddINwarJk

Vichan
Oct 1, 2014

I'LL PUNISH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR CRIME

Steve Schirripa actually being cast as Skip Lipari would've been such a waste.

Agent Harris' actor originally auditioned as a mobster and Robert Funaro was originally cast as Ralph Cifaretto which is why he's a main cast member for a bit.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?

Vichan posted:

Steve Schirripa actually being cast as Skip Lipari would've been such a waste.

Agent Harris' actor originally auditioned as a mobster and Robert Funaro was originally cast as Ralph Cifaretto which is why he's a main cast member for a bit.

I was under the impression that Funaro was in the main cast for season three (before being punted to the end credits by season four) because he was originally going to have a bigger part in that season before Marchand died, hence being made at the same time as Christopher.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

Why god?





Grimey Drawer

https://twitter.com/timeimmemorial_...831712976699394

Vichan
Oct 1, 2014

I'LL PUNISH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR CRIME

Pope Corky the IX posted:

I was under the impression that Funaro was in the main cast for season three (before being punted to the end credits by season four) because he was originally going to have a bigger part in that season before Marchand died, hence being made at the same time as Christopher.

I believe Sepinwall mentioned it in the Sports Illustrated podcast but I could be wrong.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

For that you get the head...

the tail...

the whole damned thing.

"Talkin Sopranos" tells us that several actors who wound up on the show anyway originally read for other parts. Lorraine Bracco originally read for Carmella, Michael Rispoli (Jackie Aprile) and Steven Van Zandt read for Tony and like 20 other people we still got but who I've forgotten did the same and it was fun for me to imagine. Sirico would have been a cool UNcle Junior but, now that we've seen it, I can't imagine anyone but Dominic in the role. If my memory is right, a LOT of performers who still wound up on the show anyway were looked at for other parts. Same with The Wire and some of those blew my mind but I can't find links to either or remember who was considered for what.

I think Michael Imperiolli even said he was brought in for a different role but wanted to play Chris after reading the script.

Vichan
Oct 1, 2014

I'LL PUNISH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR CRIME

David Proval was also an early contender for the Tony Soprano role but was put aside because his mobster-side was way too intimidating.

Imagine how jarring it would've been to go from Richie Aprile levels of menace to lovable dad.

I'm mostly remembering this because but when I find a source I'll post it here.

Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006



Fun Shoe

BiggerBoat posted:

"Talkin Sopranos" tells us that several actors who wound up on the show anyway originally read for other parts. Lorraine Bracco originally read for Carmella, Michael Rispoli (Jackie Aprile) and Steven Van Zandt read for Tony and like 20 other people we still got but who I've forgotten did the same and it was fun for me to imagine. Sirico would have been a cool UNcle Junior but, now that we've seen it, I can't imagine anyone but Dominic in the role. If my memory is right, a LOT of performers who still wound up on the show anyway were looked at for other parts. Same with The Wire and some of those blew my mind but I can't find links to either or remember who was considered for what.

I think Michael Imperiolli even said he was brought in for a different role but wanted to play Chris after reading the script.

Yeah this is not uncommon at all for shows like this. Like you said, the Wire did have this going on. Lance Reddick read for Bubbles, but ended up being Daniels. Seth Gilliam (Carver) read for Stringer but ended up being Carver. Gbenga Akinnagbe (Chris Partlow) read for Marlo but ended up being Chris. The real Jay Landsman read for Jay Landsman but ended up being Lt. Mello instead. Jaime Hector (Marlo) read for Cutty iirc but ended up being Marlo.

There's probably more I'm forgetting.

Pattonesque
Jul 14, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Vichan posted:

David Proval was also an early contender for the Tony Soprano role but was put aside because his mobster-side was way too intimidating.

Imagine how jarring it would've been to go from Richie Aprile levels of menace to lovable dad.

I'm mostly remembering this because but when I find a source I'll post it here.

I can't imagine a Tony Soprano who's not as physically imposing as Gandolfini

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017



Pattonesque posted:

I can't imagine a Tony Soprano who's not as physically imposing as Gandolfini

I think Proval could certainly pull off the imposing part, even if he couldn't loom.

"He's got tremendous moxie for his size."

phasmid
Jan 16, 2015

Booty Shaker
SILENT MAJORITY


Between his stance, his voice and his eyes, yeah. He seems like a guy who could argue about whose parking space it is pretty well.

codo27
Apr 21, 2008

"I dont fully understand football contracts but you can just be outright cut if you're shit right? With no penalties? Hockey needs that."

I Am Marc Bergevin IRL


And yet he's the Nicest Guy In The World

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?


Listening to Lorraine Bracco on Talkin' Sopranos, she told her agent before going for the audition that she wanted to play Melfi and not Carmela, and they basically made her promise not to tell Chase until after she got there

They also apparently reacted with,"It's called The Sopranos, not Dr. Melfi! "

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017



Jerusalem posted:

Listening to Lorraine Bracco on Talkin' Sopranos, she told her agent before going for the audition that she wanted to play Melfi and not Carmela, and they basically made her promise not to tell Chase until after she got there

They also apparently reacted with,"It's called The Sopranos, not Dr. Melfi! "

I remember reading somewhere she didn't want to play Carmela because she didn't want to, essentially, revisit her role in Goodfellas but for several seasons.

banned from Starbucks
Jul 18, 2004






It does seem weird that they would try to recast that exact same family minus the dad.

parthenocarpy
Dec 17, 2003



Deep into my second rewatch. Season five. Where is Carm`s instinct to grab an assault rifle when the bear shows up multiple times?

night slime
May 14, 2014

hello

codo27 posted:

You know, Dominic is flawless as junior but I believe I remember correctly that Sirico auditioned as well. Watching that old 1989 interview with him again where he's so smooth, he's so great as Paulie but I think he could have made an amazing junior as well

That would have made the cafe scene confrontation from S1 a little more interesting. Junior doesn't have much of a physical presence

When I watched the last season or two when it was airing, HBO would run next episode preview trailers and they'd sometimes contain scenes or dialogue that didn't make it into the next episode. I'm not a sicko or a deviant but there was a cut one where Tony asks Carmela "did you cum" and I always wondered what the rest of the scene was. Did that ever make it in a deleted scene on a DVD? Again strictly asking as a fan

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?

PG-13 SEX DUNGEON posted:

Deep into my second rewatch. Season five. Where is Carm`s instinct to grab an assault rifle when the bear shows up multiple times?

There are several things in the pilot that are retconned, like Junior saying to Tony "You may run North Jersey..." as though he's already Boss, when that doesn't happen until at least season two, and Jackie Sr. is nowhere to be found. Chase himself has said that it was a mistake to have Carmela grab an assault rifle and run outside like that.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017



Pope Corky the IX posted:

There are several things in the pilot that are retconned, like Junior saying to Tony "You may run North Jersey..." as though he's already Boss, when that doesn't happen until at least season two, and Jackie Sr. is nowhere to be found. Chase himself has said that it was a mistake to have Carmela grab an assault rifle and run outside like that.

Wasn't the pilot filmed a good chunk in advance of the rest of season one?

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?

Dawgstar posted:

Wasn't the pilot filmed a good chunk in advance of the rest of season one?

About nine months to a year before the rest of the season was filmed, yeah. That's why Gandolfini is a bit heavier and his accent has gotten better by the second episode. During that time in between is when Chase was shopping it around and thought maybe he could shoot another half an hour of material and release it as a film.

Vichan
Oct 1, 2014

I'LL PUNISH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR CRIME

Pope Corky the IX posted:

There are several things in the pilot that are retconned, like Junior saying to Tony "You may run North Jersey..." as though he's already Boss, when that doesn't happen until at least season two, and Jackie Sr. is nowhere to be found. Chase himself has said that it was a mistake to have Carmela grab an assault rifle and run outside like that.

Sil also doesn't seem like he's actually in the mob but rather just the owner of the Bing.

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

I'm out here freezing my castagnas off




Dinosaur Gum

There is also the VERY obvious change in the name of the pork store, from Centanni's to Satriale's.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?

Vichan posted:

Sil also doesn't seem like he's actually in the mob but rather just the owner of the Bing.

Sil also asks “Do you know a guy named Artie Bucco?” when both Sil and Artie have known Tony since they were all kids.

Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006



Fun Shoe

Pope Corky the IX posted:

Sil also asks “Do you know a guy named Artie Bucco?” when both Sil and Artie have known Tony since they were all kids.

That's just Sil being careful in case the Feds are listening in.

Sab0921
Aug 2, 2004

This for my justices slingin' thangs, rib breakin' kings / Truck, necklace, robe, gavel and things / For the solicitors seein' them dissents spin and grin / That robe with the lace trim that win.


Ginette Reno posted:

That's just Sil being careful in case the Feds are listening in.

My favorite bit on the show is the lamp wire tap. Why not dedicate a whole episode to the FBI setting up an elaborate wiretap, getting close to Tony saying something incriminating on a few occasions (particularly with Chris discussing robbing the charity event), setting up Tony's downfall only to have the whole thing just blow up because Meadow takes the wiretap with her to school.

It's beautiful.

Sab0921 fucked around with this message at 13:38 on Aug 16, 2020

Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006



Fun Shoe

Sab0921 posted:

My favorite bit on the show is the lamp wore tap. Why not dedicate a whole episode to the FBI setting up an elaborate wiretap, getting close to Tony saying something incriminating on a few occasions (particularly with Chris discussing robbing the charity event), setting up Tony's downfall only to have the whole thing just blow up because Meadow takes the wiretap with her to school.

It's beautiful.

It's kinda realistic. Elaborate real life plans like that go to poo poo due to unforeseen circumstances all the time.

codo27
Apr 21, 2008

"I dont fully understand football contracts but you can just be outright cut if you're shit right? With no penalties? Hockey needs that."

I Am Marc Bergevin IRL


Harpo

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005





Pope Corky the IX posted:

About nine months to a year before the rest of the season was filmed, yeah. That's why Gandolfini is a bit heavier and his accent has gotten better by the second episode. During that time in between is when Chase was shopping it around and thought maybe he could shoot another half an hour of material and release it as a film.

Do we have information about the what would happen in the sopranos pilot film script?

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

Brush your teeth.


I've met so many Tony Sopranos over the years. Boomer dads of a certain age who can switch from generous, charismatic and good-humoured to flying into a snarling rage on a dime. Exuberantly racist in private. Highly unpredictable when drunk. Incredibly possessive, especially about family. I really would never think of paying for a meal when my partner and I are out for dinner with her dad, because what happened to Finn is exactly what would happen to me. Hell, I've known a few Carmelas too. I see a lot of my own parents in both of them; they'd have been the same age at the same time.

The Sopranos is great for many reasons, but on rewatch that's what really stands out for me right now. It all feels eerily familiar, and it's not like I'm from NJ or even the US

Barry Foster fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Aug 18, 2020

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

For that you get the head...

the tail...

the whole damned thing.

Not Sopranos related but since Jerusalem did a Wire thread and there seems to be some crossover here, I found a areally good wire podcast

https://www.theringer.com/way-down-in-the-hole

a Loving Dog
May 12, 2001


Been prestiging this and listening to Talking Sopranos, really enjoying it and highly recommend it.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

For that you get the head...

the tail...

the whole damned thing.

a Loving Dog posted:

Been prestiging this and listening to Talking Sopranos, really enjoying it and highly recommend it.

It's really good but I still have trouble with the volume. Basically can only listen as I'm going to sleep

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

Coal Jobs for the Coal God


Nap Ghost

Barry Foster posted:

I've met so many Tony Sopranos over the years. Boomer dads of a certain age who can switch from generous, charismatic and good-humoured to flying into a snarling rage on a dime. Exuberantly racist in private. Highly unpredictable when drunk. Incredibly possessive, especially about family. I really would never think of paying for a meal when my partner and I are out for dinner with her dad, because what happened to Finn is exactly what would happen to me. Hell, I've known a few Carmelas too. I see a lot of my own parents in both of them; they'd have been the same age at the same time.

The Sopranos is great for many reasons, but on rewatch that's what really stands out for me right now. It all feels eerily familiar, and it's not like I'm from NJ or even the US

Well growing up in North Jersey, it seemed like every Italian-American family I knew, the dads all pretended to be like Tony. For the most part not as racist in all-white company as Tony. But some definitely were.

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codo27
Apr 21, 2008

"I dont fully understand football contracts but you can just be outright cut if you're shit right? With no penalties? Hockey needs that."

I Am Marc Bergevin IRL


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh02zvHHPzw

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