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Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

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My favorite Sopranos memory is of the crew going to Italy and Paulie being so confused about why the food is so different haha

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Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAbldmqXrVg

I prefer this version, it's funnier in the full context where his sister's just kinda sitting there sullenly and Tony's flipping out.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

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Honestly I feel like Bobby was maybe the most tragic character in the show aside from I guess Adriana. He really was cut out for a different kind of life but it seemed like he could never really extricate himself once he hooked up with Janice.

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Feb 29, 2008

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Shirripa looks really good, more or less the same as he looked in the show. It's always bittersweet to think about how great The Sopranos was because of Gandolfini's death, nice to see some of the cast members still doing well.

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Feb 29, 2008

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Somehow I've seen the show like three times and I never caught Tony's father telling Livia in the flashback that she's "like an albacore around my neck" lol

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Feb 29, 2008

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Mahoning posted:

Shouldn’t Angie Bonpensiero know that Tony and Silvio killed Pussy? She was literally sitting at the kitchen table with them before Pussy left with them and he never comes home.

Can’t believe I just realized that.

Isn't she depressed that he even came back after his seclusion in Florida between season 1 and 2? She may know but I doubt she gives a poo poo, she's happy he's gone.

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Feb 29, 2008

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Handsome Ralph posted:

What are people's thoughts on Bobby Baccala Jr? I feel like he's the one mob character that while he does kill a guy in Montreal, is the only one that I didn't find myself hating at one point or another.

He is sympathetic because you do get the idea that he really was never cut out for that life but ends up more or less forced into it due to circumstances. Even moreso once he's married to Janice. Sympathetic doesn't mean he's a good person of course, for the reasons you point out.

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Feb 29, 2008

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I forgot how after the whole Italy experience with the terrible bathrooms and the disappointing food and the hookers who refuse to pretend to like him, Paulie still gets home and immediately he's lording it over Pussy in the car that he's been to Italy and Pussy hasn't. With that condescending "I want you to have this experience that I had" tone too lol

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Feb 29, 2008

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Big Dick Cheney posted:

Re: the ending

There's a lot of evidence that Tony died at the end. But is there anything people use to suggest that he didn't die? It seemed like David Chase was pretty clear about it.

It cuts to black for a reason. Chase gives you enough to come to a certain conclusion but also not enough for it to feel definitive. If he wanted it to be definitive he would've handled the ending differently.

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Feb 29, 2008

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Mahoning posted:

I have to kind of agree. It does seem kind of hamfisted to say "Tony gets shot by Members Only guy" by order from some unnamed but probable enemy from his past.

That's why the ending works though. If you literally show Members Only guy walk up to Tony and shoot him in the head ala a classic Sopranos-style whacking, that becomes the focus. For the reasons Sepinwall points out, it becomes a mystery to be solved, but a mystery that isn't really relevant. A distraction. By doing it with the cut to black, Chase nipped that pointless debate in the bud. He was able to heavily imply that Tony's life had ended without allowing the audience to go down that dumb road of obsessing over the specific plot details.

At least to me, the endless debate of whether Tony is alive or dead felt more thematically relevant than just talking about the minutiae of which crew from which family ordered the hit for what reason.

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Feb 29, 2008

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It's unfortunate that Aida Turturro never really got much work post-Sopranos, because creating a character that hateable is a true talent. I know a lot of it was in the writing but goddamn she took it to another level. In a show full of people who were getting theirs by exploiting and chewing up the lives of others, somehow Janice still takes the cake. Just a disgusting, worthless person. The only decent thing she did the entire series was killing Richie.

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Dawgstar posted:

It's interesting you bring that up as I was recently trying to get through another series about OC in Sons of Anarchy and there it seems almost schizophrenic, jumping back and forth between 'these guys are just scum on Harleys' and 'no, wait, they are noble outlaws.' In The Sopranos, everybody is if not likable at least engaging (mostly) but we don't ever think, I dunno, Johnny Sac's going to turn it around.

Yea poo poo like that is what happens when the writer/creator of the show has no clear vision and doesn't understand character development. The audience notices when you spend hours and hours building up characters as conflicted good guys, and then jump tracks as soon as it's convenient into having them mass execute people and causing ridiculous amounts of collateral damage to the community. Then when the show is coming to an end you want to have people buy into your sad sack Jesus fantasy, gently caress off Sutter.

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Feb 29, 2008

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Yea the Sons as characters only worked when the show was able to put them up against a villain that was strong enough to make you forget how ridiculous it was to be rooting for a sociopathic, ultraviolent criminal gang. A neo-nazi and a corrupt FBI agent are pretty easy solutions to that problem, but after that Sutter wasn't able to find any others that worked nearly as well. Pope never cut it and then after that the show never reappeared again from up its own rear end with all the dumb storylines with Clay and then Jax's mother and the wife and baby oh god it was all so terrible.

There was a really funny SA thread that was hatewatching the show and commenting on it in the final seasons and really that's the only reason I watched all those episodes.

Anyway in my recent Sopranos rewatch I reached the best line in the entire series. Some of you may be able to guess what it is without even clicking it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAbldmqXrVg

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Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

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The fact that you're doing these in depth write ups for The Sopranos the way you did them for The Wire is blowing my mind, they're absolutely fantastic. Those Wire write-ups were a major highlight of the last several years on this forum as far as I'm concerned.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

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If anyone here hasn't seen Killing Them Softly, definitely check it out ASAP. It's a really good movie, so worth seeing in general, but it's also a great underrated Gandolfini performance that sadly was one of his last.

In the movie, he plays an over the hill hitman that is brought into town to do a job for one of the main characters, and.....well it doesn't exactly go as planned.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

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Another great write-up. I just went through these episodes myself only a few weeks ago so it's a lot of fun to read detailed commentary on each one while they're so fresh in my mind.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

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Watched the episode last night where Artie somehow gets it in his head that he has a shot with Adriana and goddamn that stuff is extremely hard to watch. So much cringe.

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Feb 29, 2008

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Dawgstar posted:

Does Tony actually kick up to anybody in New York? I was under impression they just split stuff like the Esplanade project instead.

Just in general I've never been exactly clear on what the New York/Jersey relationship entails. Obviously everyone understands that NY is more powerful, and so they defer to people like Johnny Sack, but is someone like Sack considered to be a New Jersey capo's direct superior? Or is it more just a traditional thing where NY is respected and feared but there's no "official" hierarchy that says Jersey has to do what they say?

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Feb 29, 2008

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That scene with Paulie coming back to the club and Tony getting up in his face about whether he'd killed Pussy is one of my favorite scenes in the whole series. One of Gandolfini's best but also one of Sirico's best, the way Tony is barely able to contain himself but also how Paulie makes it clear that his deference to the boss has it's limits.

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Feb 29, 2008

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pentyne posted:

The actor really nailed the role. In between the attempts to sound tough and his enormously slimy attitude towards Meadow in everything he did he came off as a weak spoiled brat with delusions of being a made guy. The way he walked and carried himself even screamed weakness, like someone desperately trying to look tougher then he is.

The dialogue was a major part, but that one scene where Jackie has his "sit-down" is just beautiful for the posture and body language alone.

I think the character was well written but I disagree that he nailed the role. I always saw him as a drag on that season because he stands out as a much more amateurish actor than the people he's in scenes with. Maybe that wouldn't have been the case in the first few seasons when some of the cast were still getting their legs under them, but by the time Jackie Jr. comes on the scene they were all humming along pretty good.

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Solice Kirsk posted:

I don't know about that. I bet if that guy and his family didn't pull up right then he would have followed through with running away with her. I don't think they would have made it as a couple that didn't have mob backing/income, but I think he would have went through with it if he had stayed home or that didn't happen. The fact that he never really shows the same interest in any women through the rest of the show, even his wife, kinda makes me think that was it for him.

It's such an innocuous thing though, a guy is there with his family and Chris happens to see him. I think he would've "seen" that same thing regardless of what he ran across in those moments, as his mind was turning over the decision and doing the mental gymnastics he needed it to do in order to arrive at the place it was always going to anyway.

I think it was a decision that sadly was made for him, by years and years of indoctrination by Tony and others that he looked up to, and he was never going to be able to break away from that line of thinking.

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Jerusalem posted:

It'll be another day before the next write-up but I just wanna say I still can't believe just how perfectly Robert Patrick inhabits what an unbelievable useless sack of poo poo David Scatino is.

"ERIC, ACCOUNTABILITY IS EVERYTHING!"

It's probably a testament to how effective that character is that I actually skipped the episode in my recent rewatch. Just too much second-hand embarrassment, it's 60 minutes of non-stop cringe.

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Feb 29, 2008

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Jerusalem posted:

Nothing quite beats him telling Tony in a later episode he's gonna go work on a ranch :lol:

loving ARTIE looks like a cool customer with his poo poo together by comparison to him. It's incredible.

Yea Artie always seems to get his moments of dignity, or at least clarity, despite his constant terrible decisions. He's not nearly as pathetic, although I guess to be fair he's more of a three dimensional character due to actually being a main cast member, not just a guest.

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Feb 29, 2008

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Jerusalem posted:

Bobby: You Sopranos always take things too far!

The fact Janice and Bobby end up together always blows me away. He's like the world's nicest guy (who is also a terrifying mob enforcer)

When you watch those first episodes after Bobby's wife dies, Janice just 100% manipulates him right from the start. There's no foundation there of like, a real relationship, the whole thing was built on Janice's manipulations.

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Dawgstar posted:

Yeah, she thought she deserved somebody better than Richie and whomever else she's dated in the past and felt she earned it. Even used stolen food to do it.

lol I fully expected her to just dump the chicken whatever that the other woman brought over for Bobby in the garbage, but then she just takes it right over to Junior's house and gives him the cooking instructions as if she made it herself.

Edit: which also reminds me of how Junior immediately called out "Janice's" lasagna as Carmella's because of the sweet sausage "in the little pieces" with the basil leaves under the cheese. God this show is hilarious.

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Feb 29, 2008

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crispix posted:

He already looked like a guy who enjoyed his food. I wonder if any alcohol was consumed during his drunk scenes. I don't think I have seen an actor act drunk better than Gandolfini. The whole spectrum from slightly mellowed out with a beer in front of the TV drunk to completely off his tits, crashing around the house, dancing the Camel Walk at his bewildered wife before passing out on the floor drunk and everything in between. He was amazing :beerpal:

Reminder that anyone who hasn't needs to check out Killing Them Softly for some top-tier Gandolfini drunk scenes.

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Feb 29, 2008

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Midgetskydiver posted:

Why the tinfoil?

Why am I even asking?

I imagine the idea was to try to form some sort of seal so that nobody would notice the smell. Must've developed a fear of making GBS threads in the common bathrooms.

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Feb 29, 2008

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Dawgstar posted:

Has there been a show runner who's more unequivocal in their "I'm glad you like this show, but these are bad people who should not be idolized in any regard"?

He was almost forced into that position by idiot fans though. The Sopranos was definitely the "Who gets whacked this week?" show for a lot of people during the years that it was actually airing, and most of the media coverage reflected that. I imagine with everything going on in the show, for it to be reduced to that in people's minds must have been frustrating for Chase.

There was also a secondary group of equally annoying people who were like Mafia fetishists or something, they would obsessively remember every little minor character and where they were in the hierarchy of which Family etc. These types were annoying as hell because if you tried to converse with them about the show they'd get all high and mighty that you couldn't remember every tiny detail of which guy is in that crew and all that stuff.

The Sopranos had some lovely fans.

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Feb 29, 2008

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Dawgstar posted:

Does Livia show up in the next episode? If she doesn't, and had they avoided that CGI... attempt in the first episode of season three, that would have been the perfect last shot of her.

Worth it for the "she was abusive to the staff!!!" scene at the beginning of season 3.

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escape artist posted:

I remember Ishamael posted an amazing baked ziti recipe many, many years back. It ended up costing like $40 or more for all the ingredients, but it was the best ziti I've ever had.

Not so terrible if you get 5 or 6 meals out of it.

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Feb 29, 2008

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No Wave posted:

Just imagine all the viewers you're better than.

Has nothing to do with being better than anyone, it's about the intent that the creator of the show had when he wrote the characters. Sure, in real life a violent criminal and multiple murderer like Tony could theoretically engage in vigilante justice that is justified(assuming you think it can ever be justified, that's a separate discussion) and that wouldn't for a minute change who they are, that they are a terrible person.

But this is a t.v. show, each action that the characters take and the outcome of every storyline colors the perception of what that character is, it changes their story in the eyes of the audience. So if you're writing Tony and you don't want the audience to be pumping their first and rooting for him(because he's a horrible person not to be celebrated for violent behavior), why would you write a storyline that's designed to have the audience do just that? It wouldn't have made any sense for the kind of show Chase was writing.

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No Wave posted:

It's hard for me to evaluate now that I've finished the show because in retrospect the therapy all seems like a big waste of time.

This episode aside, I think the therapy is important for giving the viewer that window into Tony's thought processes and the way he sees the world. Not that he's always honest with Melfi about that stuff but we certainly get much more of a genuine look into his psyche during those scenes than whatever bullshit he spins when he interacts with literally anyone else on the show. And when he does try to spin some bullshit with Melfi, more often than not she confronts him about it(another thing that never happens to him in his regular life) and then we get to see his reaction to that too.

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Ornithology posted:

Another great thing is that I swear this show could be a comedy or a drama it's almost 50 50 whether im laughing or tense while watching.

Yea someone in another thread said they thought certain other HBO shows were superior to Sopranos because "in the Sopranos they're all cartoon characters", and I kinda understood what they meant but at the same time I think of that as a strength of the show, not a weakness. The ridiculous characters and comedic moments really are the thing(aside from Gandolfini) that keep me coming back to rewatch it every few years.

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I do like the added touch of showing Tony focusing on that tree branch going through where the kid would've been. It shows how Tony's mind is working at that moment, that he's figured out a way to justify doing this thing that he really wants to do for petty selfish reasons. His mind does those kind of mental gymnastics the entire series.

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I think it's always tempting to see the heinous things that people do and declare them as sociopaths that are "without empathy". The unfortunate reality is that most of the time people are more complex than that and are able to compartmentalize the horrible things they do while displaying perfectly normal human traits in most other areas of their life.

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Zaphod42 posted:

Yeah, agreed. I don't really believe in the concept of "evil". Everything wicked someone does is justified to them on some level. "They deserve it", "I'm getting revenge", etc.

That's why the tree branch through the car seat struck me as very true to Tony's character. Like, he's wanted to have the problem of Christopher out of his life for a good long while at that point, and in a fleeting moment he sees a mental pathway open up where he'll be able to justify doing the thing he hadn't been able to justify before, and he takes it. A detestable act, but also a very human one.

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No Wave posted:

That wordpress article is super thorough. Honestly? I don't think the ending worked that well to convey what Chase seemed to want to convey given how much confusion there was over it. It was great at keeping people talking about the show tho.

The mechanics of it aside, I do like the philosophy Chase had going into it, i.e. the idea that the audience shouldn't be allowed to have this "finally Tony gets his comeuppance" moment because so much of the fan interest surrounding the show had been rooting for Tony and living vicariously through him. I think to give people that cheap release of seeing Tony finally get whacked would've been a mistake and the non-definitive ending is better for the long-term legacy of the show.

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The thing with Meadow is that she doesn't ever show any signs of being willing to accept a "lesser" kind of lifestyle than what she grew up accustomed to. She sometimes can talk a good game about not wanting to be involved with blood money, but when it comes to the luxuries that she enjoys, she's shown she's willing to look the other way to maintain them. So it's a question of whether she would be ok with just being a working attorney who makes a solid living, or if she needs to have the nice house in the nice neighborhood with the cars and clothes and all that stuff. The fact that she apparently ends up married to a connected guy seems to indicate which way she's leaning there.

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Jerusalem posted:

Season 3, Episode 11 - Pine Barrens


To an aptly named song, Gloria Trillo pulls up to the pier where Tony's boat The Stugots is moored. She comes bearing a gift, a late Christmas present now she is back from Morocco, but when she boards the boat there is no sign of Tony. Against her better judgement she answers the phone (after turning off the music, which was diegetic) and the person on the other end is Mrs. Washington, from "little Anthony's" high school, calling for Tony. She hands the phone over to Tony who has just arrived, and of course it isn't "Mrs. Washington", it's Irina, who is calling on the pretext of not being able to find her religious medal, which she is sure is on the Stugots. Tony quickly finds an excuse to hang up as Irina timidly asks who the other woman was, and mumbles something to Gloria about AJ's attendance being poo poo before belatedly giving her a kiss hello after she reminds him he hasn't yet. They briefly discuss Morocco but she can tell he's distracted, and finally he admits that the woman on the phone was on old girlfriend. Gloria mocks him for thinking she didn't immediately know that, and then psychoanalyzes him when he admits he lied to avoid pissing her off, noting that this means he was thinking about himself, not her. He didn't want to have to deal with her being angry so he just lied, to spare himself the trouble as opposed to caring about her feelings.

He's taken aback, while her analysis is pretty loving accurate it's also accompanied by a savage venom that seems completely out of whack with the severity of his "crime". She strides out past him, pausing only to hold up the gift so he can see it before she brazenly tosses it out the window to punish him. "Merry Christmas" she snaps and leaves, and he is left utterly baffled by this completely over-the-top reaction.



Paulie is in the middle of a manicure when his phone rings, it's Tony in the back office of the Bada Bing. Silvio has the flu and needs somebody to go and pick up a debt, and since the debt is owed by Valery - the big enforcer for Slava who handles all of Tony's money-laundering - Tony clearly wants somebody he can trust on the job. Paulie doesn't feel particularly blessed to be chosen though, he was meant to take his mother to get her Social Security tomorrow, and more to the point he clearly feels like this type of thing is beneath him. Tony is disinterested in his objections though, he can still take his mother out after he finishes this simple errand that will take at most a half hour, if that.

This simple task is about to create one of the most beloved episodes ever made of this already beloved show.

Tony attends therapy with Carmela again, where they present a happy and united front, still glowing from the aftermath of a very happy and successful Christmas. They're even of one mind about Jackie Aprile Jr, Tony evidently told Carmela enough that they're both free to express their reservations about his relationship with Meadow again. The only tension comes from a brief aside about Tony's overt racism (against Carmela's covert racism) towards Noah, but Melfi is still impressed by the fact they can express this difference of opinion without getting angry and shouting. Tony gives her the credit and Carmela doesn't dispute it, he feels they're learning to be better communicators.

Meadow, meanwhile, is failing to get the message as she plays Scrabble in her dorm with a bored Jackie. She's got the flu too, and is not at all receptive to Jackie's attempts to turn Scrabble into sex even in spite of her clear illness. He complains (good-naturedly) that she can't play Spanish words in Scrabble, not knowing what oblique (he pronounces it oh-blee-kay) means. She's confused, he's in College, he must know that word? "I'm not an English Major" he insists, playing "rear end" on the board and asking her to give him some. When he finally figures out that they're not going to bang, he becomes bored, checking his watch and asking if she wants to do Ecstasy: he can't fathom simply sitting around and being with her/there for her. Sensing his boredom she asks if he is tired and he immediately leaps on the chance to agree and get his coat, insisting it is for her benefit so she can get some sleep. Out the door he goes, leaving her slightly startled at the rapidity of his departure, left all alone feeling sick and miserable.



The next morning, Paulie has roped Christopher into his errand, the two discussing Russians as they walk up to Valery's apartment door. Christopher doesn't think the Russians are all that bad, shocked to discover from Paulie that the Cuban Missile Crisis was real and not just some movie. Valery, smoking and holding a glass of booze (far from his first of the day) comes to the door and lets them in with a dismissive smirk when he sees it is them. He doesn't bother to greet them or invite them in, leaving Paulie at least pissed off before he enters, he already didn't want to be there and now this rear end in a top hat Russian is ignoring him? Christopher enters first and Paulie cracks a joke about there probably being 30+ people living here. Valery, unimpressed, offers the closest thing he has to hospitality, which is to offer them a drink, which they turn down as it is so early in the morning. Paulie meanwhile is distracted by the giant entertainment center, cracking another joke about how Valery probably wiped his rear end barehanded before coming to America and now he has all this and even uses a universal remote. Valery takes all this in silence as he sits on the couch drinking, the only emotion he betrays is minor contempt for Silvio when Christopher asks if he has his money. He does though, it's in an envelope on the entertainment center, and Christopher starts counting it as Paulie cracks another off-colour joke about rubles. Valery has had enough, he's paid his debt and now he wants them gone, so barely holding his bemused contempt for the two of them in check he grunts at Paulie to put the universal remote back on the docking station. Paulie, feeling insulted simply by being there, is even more insulted that the guy he is collecting money FROM now has the balls to order him about. So being Paulie, he "accidentally" drops the remote on the ground and smashes it, even Christopher shaking his head at this being too much.

And Valery sighs.

There's a lot to unpack from that sigh. He's downtrodden, drunk, a pathetic slob... but he's also a big guy who clearly holds zero fear for either of these two mobsters. The sigh is his acknowledgement/understanding that they pushed things too far and now he is going to have to do something about it. He knows it is wrong, that it is going to make a mess for Slava, but he also knows that he can't let the insult go unanswered. So he starts to rise from his couch, muttering angrily about Paulie loving with him in his own house.... and Paulie shoves him back down into the couch and smashes him over the head with his own bottle of booze. Valery's reaction is instant, he launches from the couch like a torpedo and directly into Paulie, both of them spilling over the coffee table as Christopher reacts a second too late to try and haul Valery off. He throws Valery into a chokehold but the big Russian lifts him bodily from the ground and backs him into a wall, spilling him off and then putting HIM into a chokehold. Paulie, still gasping from the shock of the sudden attack after what should have been a fight-ending move, grabs the nearby lampstand and uses it to haul Valery off of Christopher while choking him. Christopher staggers up, races over and holds down Valery's legs as Paulie continues to press the weight down on his neck until finally Valery stops fighting back. Christopher is appalled, what the gently caress did Paulie just do? He claims he had no choice of course, and they look down at Valery's choking, gasping face and figure that his windpipe is cracked and he's as good as dead. Hauling a rug down off the wall, Paulie tells Christopher to bring the car around, and in quick order they're wheeling Valery's bundled up body out to their car on a handcart and dumping it in the trunk.



All Paulie has to do was collect the money and go.

Despite how they last left it, Tony and Gloria have had another romantic getaway in a hotel. Naked in the bed, Gloria has presented Tony with an apology card that he finds wonderfully charming: she's feeling very sheepish, and there is a sheep on the card. She apologizes for answering the phone on the Stugots in the first place, she had no right, and she's presented him with another gift: it's a Moroccan robe, and she's girlishly charming as she tosses her arms high in the air in a mixture of happiness and awkwardness about how to express her emotions. He doesn't quite know what to make of it (there's a disturbing parallel between his reaction to this gift and his reaction to Meadow's last episode) but he is clearly pleased, holding it up to look it over before folding it up and admitting he feels like a jerk for not getting her anything. She insists he certainly does, and next thing you know they're having sex, the moment ruined by yet another ringing phone. Irritated but figuring it is business related and therefore important, he answers and it is Paulie on the other end, giving him an extremely biased version of events. He got the money, but then things got physical, Valery gave them poo poo and even sucker-punched Paulie! Christopher narrows his eyes at hearing this, while a pissed off Tony leaves the bed and Gloria and shifts to the toilet to get a more detailed breakdown. Flushing the toilet to mask his voice from Gloria, he can't believe it when Paulie tells him Valery is in their trunk: he's supposed to meet Slava later! He warns them to use their own judgment in what they do now, but whatever it is they do it far away from him. The phone reception is bad and they can barely hear each other, the phone connection breaking entirely as a furious Tony hangs up and goes back into the hotel bedroom where Gloria is dressing and rolling her eyes at him needlessly wasting water to cover up what he was saying. She has to go, he wants to take her to lunch but this was her lunch break, but she suggests he come to her house for dinner at 9pm, she'll make him London broil.

At a gas station, Christopher and Paulie consider what to do with Valery: dump him at the shore? Nah, it's too light out... though Christopher suggests maybe they could go to Roy Rogers and get something to eat while they wait. Paulie is all business though (now, anyway), first they deal with Valery, then food. His suggestion is that they take him to the Pine Barrens, it is in South Jersey which means it is far from anybody they know... plus then business-first Paulie suggests they can drive down to Atlantic City afterwards, get a room for the evening and play some blackjack! Christopher's only interest is in eating, he didn't have breakfast, so Paulie sweetens the deal by saying they'll go out for steak.

Tony has returned to therapy for a solo session with Melfi, where he again credits her for his improved outlook and cheery demeanor. She simply sits silently until the quiet leaves him uncomfortable enough to tell her the truth, though of course he twists this as somehow a great and magnanimous gesture from him that he has decided to tell his loving therapy the goddamn truth for a change. He is seeing Gloria Trillo, and though she of course knew this for all but a fact, she simply nods and asks him a pertinent question she wants HIM to know the answer to: why Gloria? Why not is all he can think? Gloria is smart, sexy... she's Italian! He tries to sweet talk Melfi, saying maybe Gloria reminds him of her since she is also smart, sexy and Italian. He's not taking any of this seriously, while she is quietly pleading with him to read the clear warning signs while not being able to say a thing due to doctor/patient confidentiality. When he insists that both he and Gloria are happy and that's all that matters, she points out that he's lying to Carmela. He claims it doesn't matter, because he's a better husband and a better father thanks to the good mood that Gloria puts him in... yes, that's right, Tony Soprano thinks that cheating on his wife makes him a good husband.



Paulie and Christopher drive to South Jersey and the Pine Barrens, the recent snow making the place even more deserted than normal. Pulling up to the chained off access road, they get out and open the trunk... and Valery sits up into the light, having half worked his way out of the rolled up rug he was bundled into. They're shocked, he's alive!?! Paulie is amused though, it means he gets to goad and taunt Valery for the great sin of not taking kindly to his racist insults, and the insult of Paulie being sent on this errand in the first place. Valery's windpipe wasn't cracked, he's able to talk having chewed through the tape, and growls insults at Paulie who is looking on the bright side: now they don't have to carry his corpse OR dig the grave, Valery can do it himself.

They walk through the snow, the place is eerily quiet and the dead trees of winter make it seem all the more barren. But as they move, Valery seems surprisingly calm, even cheerful. Hands taped behind his back, wearing only light pajama pants and a short-sleeved shirt, the cold doesn't bother him in the slightest and he simply smiles and chuckles every so often as he looks back at the clearly freezing Paulie and Christopher. Reaching a good spot to finish him off, they remove his tape and tell him to start digging, and he sneers in Russian that he will kill them both, clubbing his chest and roaring that the cold doesn't bother him, he washes his balls in ice-water, this is warm to him and they are American pieces of poo poo!



He starts to dig in the snow, while Paulie take the chance to taunt him some more, telling him they had no plans to kill him when they arrived and it was Valery's big mouth that got him into this trouble (pot, kettle, etc). Christopher, already looking past the murder of this man standing right in front of him, asking just how far Atlantic City is, and Valery takes his chance. Swinging his shovel he drops Christopher with a blow to the side of the head, jamming the handle into Paulie's balls as he tries to jump him. Not bothering to try and struggle over one of their two guns, he simply rushes into the trees, confident in his ability to survive the snow and navigate his way to freedom. They give chase, a clumsy rehash of their chase of Mikey Palmice back in season one, shooting wildly after Valery who moves quickly and easily through the snow, a big smile on his face as the adrenaline pumps through his system. They can't keep up, he's pulling away, and Paulie finally stops, holds his gun steady and takes one last roll of the dice as he fires, face in despair at the thought of what this fuckup will mean to him in regards to Tony... and Valery's head explodes in blood and he collapses to the ground. Shocked, slightly disbelieving but relieved, they stand to catch their breath... and in front of their shocked eyes Valery's corpse rises up and he races off into the trees again, somehow still alive.

They stand in shock, trying to figure out what they just saw. Eventually they move to where he fell, a trail of blood and footprints in the snow leading away. Christopher is concerned about his own bloodied head but Paulie assures him it'll just need a couple of stitches. They figure Valery can't have got far with half his head hanging off, and start following the blood and footprints... until both stop and leave them with only pristine white snow in front of them. Valery has simply... disappeared? An overhead camera shot could be construed as him having climbed a tree, but they're bare and open to the sky, the chances of being seen would surely be too high. The overhead shot does indicate that he looped around a tree and off to the side, but they could also have been left by Paulie and Christopher themselves, and the lack of blood is the most confusing. No. He's just... gone.



AJ is watching a music video as Carmela pops down to go to the market and confirms with Tony that he'll be home for dinner. In spite of his plans with Gloria he agrees he will, and after she leaves he gives Paulie a call to ensure that the Valery situation has been dealt with. Suffice to say it has not, and Tony becomes progressively more enraged as the quality of the call declines, allowing other voices on the same frequency to come through, and they attempt to talk about the situation in code. AJ can't help but overhear Tony bellowing,"COULD THE PACKAGE SURVIVE!?!" after Paulie deadpan explains that "the package hit Chrissy with an implement and ran off", and he must be wondering just what package Tony is expecting. Tony hangs up after the interference becomes too much, furious that he has to meet with Slava soon and doesn't know what kind of danger he could be walking into. He gave Paulie a simple task, and it's turned into a giant clusterfuck.

In the Pine Barrens, Paulie is still feeling aggrieved at the lack of respect he is being shown. He doesn't even know what work Tony is doing with Slava, and disputes Christopher's reminder that it isn't their place to know, reminding him that he at least is a Captain. Both are complaining about the cold, which they're not equipped for (more than Valery at least), and with conviction born of laziness they decide that Valery must surely be dead by now and the squirrels will eat him, so they should just go home. Christopher is sure that they looped around at one point and shouldn't just turn the other way, but a smug Paulie reminds him that he spent 4 years in the army and he knows his way around: they simply have to follow their own footprints. So they do. And get lost. Because they followed their own footprints in a loop back on itself and now they don't have a clue where the hell they are. Paulie uses the setting sun to figure out which direction they're facing at least, though Christopher points out this doesn't get them any less lost. Paulie, who is rapidly making a terrible situation (of his making!) even worse, continues to insist that he's got everything under control.

Tony arrives for his meeting with Slava, bringing him another bag full of dirty money to launder. Slava greets him as warmly as ever, introducing him to his daughter Ilana and sending her off with some cash to buy some candy and leave them alone. Tony is friendly but hiding his nervousness, looking for signs from Slava that something is wrong, that he knows something. As Slava pours them a drink, Tony can't help but notice the big handgun prominently placed as a paperweight on the desk, and he "casually" brings up Valery, noting that he isn't here like normal. Slava doesn't know either, though he asks if he paid Silvio back the money like he was instructed? Tony pretends ignorance, saying he wasn't there for the pickup, and then notices a picture of the two of them in army uniform in the background. Slava, getting emotional, tells how Valery saved his life in Chechnya but has become a tragic figure due to drugs and alcohol and disgraced his family. But Slava would do anything for his friend (including paying his debt to Silvio, it would seem), and Tony just gets more uneasy about how the man who cleans his money will react if he discovers Tony's men killed Valery.



As Paulie and Christopher continue looking for their car, Tony calls to give them the breakdown on what he just learned over a few more drinks with a tearful Slava. Valery is a monster, he was a Commando, a Russian Green Beret who worked for the Interior Ministry and killed 16 Chechen rebels single-handed. He has to repeat himself due to the bad connection, and stresses at the end that under NO circumstances can Valery make it back to tell his story. Paulie, assures him he understands, and they end the call. He then turns and tells Christopher EXACTLY what he just heard Tony say.... Valery killed 16 Czechoslovakians, and he was an interior decorator! Christopher considers this for a moment, before giving back an appropriate response,"His house looked like poo poo."

Time passes as they return to the woods in search of Valery, guns drawn and limbs trembling as the sun starts to go down and whatever minor heat of the day dissipates. The sound of a twig breaking gives them hope and Christopher leads as they rush into the treeline, shooting blindly at nothing until Paulie trips and tumbles down a snowbank, losing a shoe in the process. Christopher hit what he was looking for though, except it wasn't a Russian Green Beret, it was a deer he managed to shoot right through the neck, killing it immediately. He can't believe it, laughing that if he'd tried he wouldn't have come close, but Paulie isn't impressed: they're no closer to finding Valery, it's getting dark, and he's lost a shoe.

At Columbia in her dorm-room, a still sick Meadow gets a call from Jackie Jr who is full of excuses for why he can't come around to see her tonight, all the while clearly dressing up and grooming for a night out. He has to get his mother's car inspected... at night. Not happy but not disbelieving just yet, Meadow says goodnight and puts down the phone in disappointment. But as she lies on her bed sulking, she spots the Scrabble game they abandoned last night and a long overdue realization strikes her as she looks at his words - THE, DOG, POO, rear end - and finally grasps the truth: Jackie Aprile Jr is a dumb piece of poo poo.

The sun has fully set and Christopher helps support Paulie as he hops along at his side, fearing frostbite and the loss of his foot if they don't find their way out soon. Christopher, who hasn't eaten all day, spots some berries and wants to eat them, but Paulie is bright enough at least to realize that there is every chance they're poisonous. But respite of a different sort is in sight, there is a van sitting in the snow just ahead of them. They rush/hop towards it, realizing there is gravel under the snow and they are on some type of road. The plumbing ban is empty and abandoned, the back wheels gone, but it is shelter at least and they climb inside (Paulie shoving Christopher out of the way to get in first, of course) and out of the elements at last. Inside, they take a moment to review their personal situations: Christopher gets to look at the damage to his head at last, while Paulie tries to use his own bodyheat to stave off the cold in his foot. A more pressing concern can't be ignored though: what if Valery really is still alive? It doesn't seem possible, but he's trained for this kind of Die Hard poo poo.



Tony eats dinner with Carmela and AJ, he doesn't have much of an appetite but he enjoys revealing to a startled AJ he knows the punchline to an old joke that AJ was convinced his friend Egon made up. Carmela enjoys the interplay, but can't help but notice he is picking at his food and keeps checking his watch.

At Gloria's, she works busily on the London Broil, a nice romantic dinner for just her and the man currently eating dinner with his wife and child.

At the Pine Barrens, the wonderfully disheveled Paulie mocks Christopher's concern that Valery could be out there stalking them ("with what? His cock?") since even if he was alive, he'd be in no state to do much at all let alone stalk them. Paulie is determined to convince them both that Valery is dead, but the fear of what will happen to him if not disappears when he sees Christopher has found a crumpled fast food bag... and there are ketchup packets inside! They quickly divide them up, these two feared mobsters utterly pathetic as they sit bloodied, concussed and freezing in an abandoned van, lost and greedily eating ketchup. As far from the glamorous movie vision of mobsters as it is possible to get.

Back at the Soprano home, AJ brings his grandparents into the kitchen after being sent to answer the door. Carmela of course immediately knows something is wrong, and Tony is stunned to hear that they've come from the doctor's and Hugh has glaucoma, he may need an operation on his eyes. Tony brings Hugh in to sit at the table, while Carmela moves to make coffee, but then Tony's phone rings. It's Paulie, who seemingly out of the goodness of his heart has left the van to make the call since Christopher has dozed off. But when he gets upset at Tony being pissed off at his lack of results and the fact they've gotten lost, he realizes he has taken things too far... so he turns to ensure Christopher is still sleeping before quietly explaining that sometimes Tony's nephew doesn't think before he acts. Now Tony is confused, didn't Valery start this by sucker-punching Paulie? Caught between two lies and seeing Christopher moving about, he says they'll talk later and quickly hangs up. Tony ponders just what the hell is going on, and walks back into the kitchen where he hesitates for just a second too long when Carmela asks if he is having coffee. Disgusted, she quietly but firmly reminds him: Her. father. has. glaucoma. He stands caught in an impossible place, he can't get out of this even if he wasn't wanting to leave to go bang his mistress, so he nods and joins them at the table.



In her dorm, Meadow calls and leaves yet another message for Jackie. Her suspicions getting the better of her, she manages to get up and down the hall in her bathrobe, sniffling and near tears as she asks another student - Ambujam - if she can borrow her car.

Another suspicious girlfriend is Gloria Trillo, who is drunk and chain-smoking well past the hour that Tony promised to come by for dinner. She ambles to the door when he knocks and lets him in, halfway between drunk and pissed as she walks off complaining that she'd have gotten married if she wanted to be treated like poo poo. He's apologetic but also trying to undercut her complaints, saying if dinner is ruined then they'll just go out. She doesn't want to be presented with solutions though, she wants to be mad, slapping away his hand when he strokes her hair. Now he's mildly irritated, after all he said sorry! But he maintains his cool, settling down beside her (his physical presence really is remarkably overpowering seen in close like this) and gently explaining it was "family poo poo" that couldn't be avoided. Against her better judgment she finds herself forgiving him, making one last sullen attempt to complain that he's 3 hours later before melting into his arms as a poo poo-eating grin crosses his face: he's gotten everything his own way yet again.

Christopher has settled outside of the van and is attempting to make fire by rubbing sticks together. Is it a survival technique? A campfire? No, he's literally just trying to generate enough of a spark to light his cigarette! Hearing a twig snapping, he quietly and carefully makes his way back to the "safety" of the van where Paulie is tearing at the carpeted floor of the back of the van as he bitches about Silvio getting the "sniffles" and them being forced to go and run his errands for him. He complains to Christopher that Tony was talking to him like a child on the phone, in spite of all the money he has made for Tony and Johnny Boy before him. Christopher, cold and (he'll never admit this) scared of Valery out there in the dark, just listens as Paulie lets vent of his feelings: in spite of everything he has done for Tony, the current golden child is Ralphie who brings in so much money it largely forgives him his many transgressions while Paulie makes one little mistake like trying (and failing) to murder a guy on a simple cash pick-up, losing him in the woods and getting lost and he doesn't hear the end of it!

Christopher asks for a share of the "blanket" so he can go to sleep, wisely not joining Paulie in bitching about the Boss of the Family. He's all ears though when Paulie says he has a plan to get out: they're in a van, it had to get here somehow, so if they find a road they can walk out of there. Christopher points out that the "road" seems to end at the trees ahead of them, and rejects Paulie's suggestion he give him his shoes so he can walk out for both of them. Christopher isn't dumb, there's no way he's going to let Paulie abandon him. An angry Paulie asks what HIS plan then? Christopher is still starving and his only "plan" is that they should have gone to Roy Rogers. Pissed off, Paulie calls Tony again, rejecting Christopher's warning that he is going to piss him off, after all, they're gonna die out here!

Tony is enjoying the fire and some wine while wearing the Moroccan robe Gloria bought him, just chilling on the couch while she tries to salvage the London Broil. Christopher was right, he's pissed to see that Paulie is calling him again, but Paulie doesn't lose his courage as he demands that Tony come rescue them somehow. How can he do that if THEY don't even know where they are? So Paulie shouts that they came in through Exit 12, and Christopher adds in that it was called Pike's Hollow. He can come to there and drive up a dirt road to the picnic tables, that's where they parked and maybe the van they're in is on the same road? When he gets there he can just start yelling and they'll find him!



Tony is pissed but there's a strange logic to Paulie's plan, so he asks him to put Christopher on. Through the interference bringing in multiple other callers, he hears Christopher complain he has a concussion and starts thinking maybe he really does need to come rescue these two idiots. He tells them to hang in there, while Christopher begs him to bring food and Paulie demands shoes. In the background, Gloria gulps back a wine, overhearing Tony's half of the conversation and obviously not pleased at the way it is going. When he pulls off his robe and tells her he has to go, she slams the London Broil on the table and demands to know if he thinks she is just some whore: she made him dinner and he ruined it, she's just salvaged it and now he's leaving AGAIN!?! Confused as to why she is reacting so strongly (after all, he said he was sorry!) he tells her to calm down, and when she rants about how he just came over to gently caress her and leave he sees no benefit to sticking around to argue and just turns to leave. Lifting the steak, she hurls it across the room and it slams into the back of his neck (director Steve Buscemi - yes, that Steve Buscemi - was the one who tossed it at Gandolfini) and he twists around in a cold fury that makes her step back. Uninterested in hashing this out with her (after all, there's an element of truth to her complaint that she's just somebody he fucks), he declares he doesn't have time for this poo poo and walks out. She screams that she hates him at the closing door, then like a child throwing a tantrum she slaps the glasses and plates off the table, tears off the table cloth and leaves her kitchen a mess.

Outside Jackie's apartment, Meadow sits in the car with Ambujam, who wisely drove her after seeing she was in no physical state to drive. Still holding back tears, Meadow voices her fear that Jackie is cheating on her, while Ambujam is of no doubt that his car inspection story is obvious bullshit. But Meadow is already second-guessing herself, doesn't sneaking after him to spy on him make her as bad as him? Maybe they should go? Ambujam rolls her eyes, this isn't the first (and won't be the last) time she's seen some otherwise smart young woman get twisted up over some good-looking rear end in a top hat.

Junior Soprano is also up, making himself tea as he waits for Tony to arrive after getting a call asking for Bobby Baccalieri to come help him. Tony arrives, apologizing for waking him, but Junior notes he spends most of his nights up getting sick from the chemo in any case. Junior is confused by the smell of steak coming from Tony, who tiredly just asks if he can borrow a shirt to replace his own. He pulls out a bottle of Johnny Walker to drink, then breaks into giggles as Bobby enters the room dressed in camo-gear and a high vis vest (Steven Schirripa actually walked in wearing a strap-on dildo in order to garner the genuine reaction from James Gandolfini). Bobby is offended, he's been hauled out of bed and brought out in the middle of the night simply to be laughed at? He tries to leave in a huff but Junior demands he come back and do what his nephew asks of him. Tony heads to Junior's room to change his shirt, while Bobby sighs and warns Junior that he has his limits too.

At Jackie's, the lights go out and Ambujam tells Meadow to be strong. Jackie leaves the apartment, accompanied by a blonde, and it's all Meadow needs to see. She leaps out of the car and confronts a shocked Jackie, asking how he could do this to her, she loved him. The blonde is pissed, who the gently caress is she? "gently caress you, bitch!" offers Ambujam helpfully as she steps out of the car too, and as the blonde turns to talk poo poo to her, Meadow tells Jackie she never wants to hear from him again. She races back to the car and Ambujam drives her out of there as the blonde sneers that she better run. Jackie is freaking out though, warning her that this is Tony Soprano's daughter (not his girlfriend, not the woman he loves, no his fear is that he's pissed off Tony). She doesn't give a poo poo, now that Meadow and Ambujam are gone her anger is turned on Jackie, after all you can guarantee he didn't mention anything about a girlfriend to her.



His shirt changed, Tony drives her and Bobby towards Exit 12. He's surprised about Bobby's knowledge of the woods and hunting, and Bobby reveals a childhood that Tony probably envies: in spite of his father being a legendary assassin, he also frequently took Bobby on hunting trips where they clearly has a loving relationship and formed cherished memories. Tony makes a genuine apology for laughing at Bobby earlier, and now that the moment has passed Bobby is happy to forgive him. He offers a fantastic dad-joke ("We saw a sign that said Bear Left, so we went home!") that falls flat with Tony, but Tony does again show genuine gratitude when he thanks him for his help with Junior. Their less than amicable initial relationship has been smoothed over by familiarity, and Bobby who once complained that he "inherited" Junior admits that he's come to value him and sometimes wishes he was his Uncle too. Tony would envy the relationship that Bobby had with his father, but it seems Bobby envies the respect that Junior holds Tony in too: he wishes he had somebody like that who thought so highly of him. Tony is surprised and doesn't quite believe that Junior so openly loves him and speaks well of him, but Bobby insists it is true. It probably is too, ever since Richie Aprile failed to set up a coup and Junior decided to stick with Tony, his appreciation/support of Tony hasn't really wavered. It's food for thought for Tony, after all it wasn't that long ago that Junior tried to have him killed.

In the van, Christopher wakes up and asks an oddly quiet Paulie what time it is. Paulie answers it it 4:30, but can't help but reveal he has Tic Tacs in his mouth as he does so. Christopher is furious, he as Tic Tacs!?! Paulie insists he only just found them and has just eaten them all so there are none left. Christopher, disgusted, declares he is going to go outside and eat the berries off the bush they passed after all... if they're poison, at least he won't die hungry!

Tony and Bobby arrive at the picnic tables that Paulie told Tony about, but there is no sign of their car. They wouldn't have left without calling him though, so he tries to call and speak with Tony, but the interference is too heavy and the battery too low, and the call cuts off. Christopher runs up to the door and smacks on the window, asking what Tony said, but Paulie doesn't know. Tired and fed up, Christopher starts to take a piss in the snow, ignoring Paulie's protests that he go piss over on his side of the van. When Christopher offers back a grumpy,"gently caress you," he threatens to pull rank, but Christopher hits him with another gently caress you, after all whether he's a Captain or not, right now they're just two assholes lost in the woods. Their argument escalates as Christopher asks if Paulie plans to choke him to death if he goes back to sleep, and reveals that he overheard him on the phone earlier in the evening when he tried to blame the Valery debacle on him. Paulie flies into another rage at these accusations, and declares he'll choke him right now before proceeding to do exactly that, grabbing Christopher around the throat and shaking him... until Christopher pulls his gun on him. Paulie instantly releases him, hands up, asking his beloved friend Christopher if he really thinks he would kill him. The trouble is, Christopher absolutely does.... but as he stands with his gun pulled on him, the two of them a bloody and disheveled (and one-shoed!) mess, the utter absurdity of their situation finally hits him. He laughs in concussed glee, Paulie watching wide-eyed and nervous, not quite knowing exactly where this is going, certainly not seeing the joke that Christopher is. He asks Christopher to promise he won't leave him here in the middle of nowhere and with great sincerity Christopher - who seems to think they've reached some beautiful shared moment - assures him he won't before he heads back around his own side of the van, still laughing.



Tony honks his car horn and bellows for Paulie and Christopher, but there is no answer. Bobby says there is no point going searching for them in the dark, they'll simply wait for first light and then go on the hunt.

5:50 in the morning, Meadow is in the infirmary after her late night trip ruined any recovery from her flu she'd had. Ambujam reads a magazine beside her as Caitlin arrives, the surprisingly level-headed and normal seeming one for a change as she commiserates with Meadow after learning about what happened (Ambujam is sure to throw in that the blonde was a real whore, too!). Caitlin tells Meadow that Jackie wasn't worthy of her and offers a shocking accurate assessment of his qualities... he was cute, but we was really boring! Meadow though is weeping for the fantasy version of Jackie in her head, sobbing that they don't understand how great he was.

Daylight finally breaks and Christopher and Paulie leave the van, Paulie having fashioned a "shoe" with a section of the carpet. They move down the road, Christopher still bundled in carpet, Paulie insisting that whichever way they go, they don't stop till they hit cement. As they move out, Tony and Bobby are moving in, Bobby tells stories that his father used to share with him about the area: it was apparently once home to a group of albinos known as the Jackson Whites. Tony bellows out for Paulie and Christopher, but there is still no answer.

They're wandering half-frozen through the woods with no idea where they're going, Paulie looking like Jack Nicholson in The Shining. They're talking about Dennys, their plans to go straight there and eat five Grand Slam breakfasts. Tony slips and trips, his "shoe" has already come loose and his fingers are too frozen to retie the knot. Losing his cool, he tears it off and pulls his gun, shooting it in impotent fury. Behind them and going the other way, Tony and Bobby overheard the gunshots and Bobby identifies it as not coming from any deer hunter. He fires his own rifle into the air as Tony calls out, and Paulie and Christopher hear it and come running, shouting out for TOny as well, so desperate for rescue that they literally throw their hands up and wave them about as if signaling a plane. Spotting each other across a clearing, Christopher rushes to embrace Tony, who steps back to get a close look at his (dried) bloody forehead. Paulie catches up and glosses over answering what he was shooting at, and Tony and Bobby help Christopher and Paulie respectively make their way back to the car, Bobby not quite able to believe they're this hosed up after only a single night in the woods.

Arriving back at the car, they eagerly bundle in and ask for the heat to be turned on. This is definitely where they left Paulie's car but it is nowhere to be seen, and now that Tony is satisfied they are safe he has to consider the ramifications of their gently caress-ups, and that includes pondering WHO stole the car. Inside, Christopher pulls open a cooler (from Davey Scatino's store?) and grabs out sandwiches to eat. Bobby suggests it was probably kids who stole the car, but Christopher blurts out what only just occurred to him... what if it was Valery? Paulie casts him a dirty look, but it is out in the open now. Tony asks another pertinent question, where is the $5000? Paulie shamefacedly admits that the money was in the car too, and with that disturbing smile Tony reserves for when he is REALLY angry, he quietly notes that this was all he asked Paulie to do. Not to kill Valery, or take him into the Pine Barrens, or get lost, or haul him away from his mistress in the middle of the night. Just to pick up some money and leave. Paulie promises that he had no choice, it couldn't be helped, and Christopher backs him when he says that Valery simply lunged at them out of nowhere.

Tony considers the situation for a moment, then asks Bobby if Valery could possibly survive and make it out. His reply isn't that helpful, a headshot no but a flesh-wound maybe, but on the other hand who can say? So Tony decides to delegate, and hands Paulie a big bucket of poo poo to drink: he is a Captain, that comes with a responsibilities. If he chooses, they'll go back into the woods and hunt Valery down, either living or a corpse. If he chooses, they'll simply drive home and leave Valery to fate. The decision is HIS, not Tony's. So Paulie considers and finally says gently caress it, let's just go home. Tony nods, the decision has been made... but with it comes the repercussions. If Valery was to ever crawl out from some rock and cause them strife in the future, it will be Paulie who suffers the consequences with Slava. Paulie agrees, and they drives out of the Pine Barrens and back towards civilization in an uncomfortable silence. Christopher eats, Bobby muses quietly, and Tony and Paulie brood. When Tony points out that Paulie has mayonnaise on his chin, his tone is aggressive and condescending and Paulie can't help but hear it. They're alive, Valery is probably dead, and Paulie has been given the authority and responsibility he felt was his due after being treated like an errand boy... but as they drive, the one man you would have once considered Tony Soprano's most ardent supporter sits fuming, feeling an obvious resentment towards his Boss.



The seeds have been sown for a rift that will be exploited in the weeks and months to come, with lethal consequences. Before the episode ends, I'd just like to say that this episode's high reputation is well-deserved. Paulie and Christopher are scene-stealers of course, but there is so much fascinating stuff going on around them as well between Tony and Gloria, but also Tony and Carmela and even Tony and Junior (albeit via the burgeoning relationship with Bobby). Plus there's the undeniable final proof of Jackie's stupidity via the Scrabble game, and of course the break-up with Meadow, all of which will have great consequences going forward.

But it is the double-act of Christopher and Paulie that delights so much, described in some ways as a hosed up Waiting for Godot where they talk on a variety of subjects while waiting for somebody who never arrives. You could debate the ultimate fate of Valery till the cows come home and never come to an answer (David Chase apparently detested that people wouldn't shut up about it, and refused to write any kind of closure as a gently caress you to them) and I think it is irrelevant. What is relevant is Paulie's physical decline (his hair is glorious) and his growing realization that his years of loyalty and work mean nothing next to money, and how closely he and Christopher parallel each other. They are essentially the same person at different points in their career, and watching them spark off each other is a sheer delight.

The episode ends with an aria that will open the next episode. But not before Tony Soprano attends one more therapy session where he is furious at Melfi for not warning him that Gloria was hosed in the head and so quick to jump from loving to a complete mess. Melfi keeps her calm but is not willing to accept blame for something Tony bullishly slammed into headfirst despite her obvious warning signs. Tony's rage fades and he pouts that everything always has to be so hard, sure he's not perfect but he does the right thing by his family (screwing multiple mistresses and various strippers?) and that should count for something. Rather than ripping apart that bullshit justification, she instead pushes to get to the root of the problem. Wanting to guide him to a breakthrough but frustrated by his half-assed attempts at therapy, she tries to make it as obvious as possible. What attracted him to Gloria in the first place? Not the obvious sex appeal, but what connects Gloria with, for example, Irina? Depressive personalities, unstable, impossible to please... do these traits remind him of any other particular woman in his life?

For a moment, just the briefest of moments, you see the dawn of comprehension in Tony's eyes. But then it is gone, whisked away by his conscious mind in rejection of the obvious but the unacceptable. His eyes dart to the side, he shakes his head and shrugs. For now, consciously at least, he cannot see that Livia Soprano's iron hold over his psyche has not slackened in the slightest since her death.

Season 3: Mr. Ruggerio's Neighborhood | Proshai, Livushka | Fortunate Son | Employee of the Month | Another Toothpick | University | Second Opinion | He Is Risen | The Telltale Moozadell | ...To Save Us All from Satan's Power | Pine Barrens | Amour Fou | Army of One
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Hell yea, been looking forward to you getting to Pine Barrens. In my own rewatch I stopped at Season 4 so I'm also looking forward to those write-ups so I can pick it back up and actually watch along.

quoted the write-up because it doesn't deserve to be at the bottom of a page like that.

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Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

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Honestly like half of my love for Pine Barrens is just that one exchange where the phone connection is bad and Paulie tells Chris that the guy is an interior decorator. I'm guaranteed to laugh my rear end off at that scene no matter how many times I see it.

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