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No Wave posted:I didnt like the melfi rape. It's this incredibly horrible thing done to one of the main characters in the most savage way possible for this tiny piece of characterization that has very little importance to the series. Wont be a popular opinion. That's basically every depiction of rape in media. I agree with you and I even liked the scene of her saying No. As good as that moment is, its just cheap to use rape as a way to up the stakes instantly for a bit of characterization.
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I think my favorite moment is taking Big Pussy out on the boat. Its such a slow buildup where Tony is pretty sure he's flipped for like, awhile, but he kinda puts it off and tries to double and triple check, and he's having those weird dreams and you know its coming but not exactly when And then they take him out on the boat and you're like oh poo poo this is it, and Pussy doesn't realize it until he does and you feel so much pity for his character. Also the whole thing with Pussy thinking he could be an FBI agent was pretty well done.
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I think my least favorite parts of Sopranos are Richie Aprile and Ralph Cifaretto, they're just such unredeemable douchebags. They're good characters for what they are, and being rear end in a top hat gangsters but on Tony's side puts him in a tough position, although also allows us to easily say "well, he's not bad like them, he's a good guy" which seems a little cheap. They're like cartoonishly evil, not that real people don't do things like that. But just every scene with them I'm wincing. Ralph is probably worse because Joe Pantoliano is such a recognizable actor. Its so painfully obvious that his character didn't actually exist until the season he's in because they hadn't cast him yet, and they do a decent job trying to intro these characters like they've been out for awhile and Tony has a past with them, but with Joe Pantoliano he just shows up one episode and its like he walked on set for a cameo or something. The scene with the hooker is pretty painful to watch. Jerusalem posted:Out of therapy, Tony gets out his frustration by zooming down the road, weaving in and out of traffic while Carmela quietly weeps, despondent that after 19 years of marriage they have to pay somebody to help them communicate. She complains that she was made to feel like the new kid at school, with Melfi taking Tony's side at every turn. Tony thinks she is being ridiculous, but they have bigger issues on their mind when a police siren sounds behind them and they have to pull over to the side of the road. Tony, of course, bitches that this is a speed trap, completely ignoring the fact you can't get caught in a speed trap if you... uhh... don't speed. This is one of my favorite scenes, especially the way Carmela is so furious with Tony and upset, and then instantly flips around to "how dare he treat US that way" and now they're an "us" again is really interesting and well acted. And as you highlighted, Tony is completely loving unreasonable. Jerusalem posted:Jackie Aprile Jr and AJ are pretty good examples of how easily the sons of "tough guys" or respected leaders can turn out pretty far from their fathers. Jackie Jr had some potential as a low level guy probably but he was completely lacking in whatever smarts or strategic mindset that worked so well for his dad. AJ was just like his dad but was brought up in luxury and was soft, he didn't have the experiences (and, to be fair, the size) that Tony had to toughen him up. Bobby Jr is a great character. Like you said, usually played for laughs, but he can have so much heart in the few scenes he gets the time to shine.
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Jun 4, 2019 17:46
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Ginette Reno posted:Yeah that seems most likely. But Ralph isn't stupid either. He'd have to know Jackie would gently caress it up, right? Dawgstar posted:It's hard to tell how much Ralphie cared about Jackie, although that said I don't have a problem with the idea he just thoughtlessly shared what he thought was a 'war story' without realizing the person he was telling it to was dumb enough to try it. It is tough to read, I see him as basically being very un-caring towards Jackie but also hopeful? Like hey kid, try this. It'll be worth a laugh if you gently caress it up and it'll get back at Tony, but also if you succeed then hey good for you. Like a bit of a xanatos gambit but not that smart, more just "gently caress it who cares" sowing chaos because Ralph doesn't give a gently caress. I feel like Ralph was kinda loving with Jackie and so didn't expect it to work, but he also didn't expect things to go so poorly and was very happy to throw the kid under the bus.
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Jun 4, 2019 17:48
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What about like insurance or shifting risk? You get someone else to do it, no chance you can get hurt or go to jail or whatever. In return you don't get as much. I can't remember how risky that job was though.
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No Wave posted:The cute 20 year old barebacking and begging ralphie to marry her and being naive and happy when he fake says yes did not seem believable. She's too good looking to come off like someone people instinctively treat like trash so the scene just feels gratuitous and implausible. Maybe if they made her more gross it could have worked. What? She's poor white trash. It doesn't matter if she's a little pretty. Lots of rich or powerful people are ugly as hell. Being pretty may have random people treating you slightly nicer, but if you're poor and have no prospects in life you're still pretty desperate. Also the idea that if you're an attractive enough woman nobody will treat you like trash is just, what in the gently caress are you on about ? No. Stop. Wrong. NOT TO MENTION that even people who are attractive can have issues where they do not believe they are, such as Tracee making a really big deal about her teeth that nobody else really cares about. She's clearly internalized some abuse, and mentions in the episode she burned her child because she herself was abused---gently caress dude what the hell. I'm sorry but this is an absurdly ignorant post. That's not how human beings or human society work. This world is absolutely full of cute 20-somethings who have been abused by older men. Christ. No Wave this is like some seriously weird MRA redpiller incel stuff.
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Jun 5, 2019 19:21
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What the gently caress is wrong with you? Are you an incel? Please stop.
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Jun 5, 2019 19:38
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Casino is a good movie and I really enjoy watching it and rewatched it just awhile back, but it and most gangster movies since just kinda copies Goodfellas and goes through the motions, complete with the voiceover protagonist. The ending is especially great though.
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Jun 6, 2019 06:40
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Bip Roberts posted:I'm not sure what you're looking for with two movies by the same writer and director made a few years apart. Man I didn't qualify that enough for you? I went way out of my way to say its a good movie, relax. I'm not looking for anything.
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:Awesome summary. I always liked the psychiatrist that Carmela sees. For a teacher of Melfi's he's way more hardcore than that fact alone would lead you to believe. Absolutely ruthless, and unassailably correct. This scene is so good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzVeLjj6Ao8 The way Carmela is like "uh, are you Jewish, can I ask? Marriage is important to Christians" and "I thought therapists weren't supposed to be judgmental", she's defensive and tries to put him in his place. The way she instantly jumps to argue with him to defend Tony and by proxy herself from Judgement, but then the way she also stammers and cries and clearly struggles with the things she's rationalizing as she's doing it, that's so human. And he knows his poo poo and this his job, and he doesn't budge an inch. She's just about to leave when he starts to get through to her. Really great writing.
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Jun 11, 2019 23:31
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Big Mouth Billy Bass sang Take Me to the River and Don't Worry, Be Happy- but apparently Bobby McFerrin didn't want his song featured in a show that glamorized violence so we got YMCA instead 
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Not that I necessarily take this seriously, but you could also look at the ending in a sort of meta, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead kind of way. Tony is a fictional character, and now that his story is over, he stops existing. It doesn't matter if he gets shot or not; if the show is over he is done. There is no more Tony. Even if there was no bullet, Tony would be "dead", as time is meaningless as there are no more episodes. Its eternity and oblivion at that point, we know eventually Tony will get old and die of old age even if he doesn't get killed by an assassin. No matter what, he's dead. They're all dead. They only existed as long as we watched them.
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Jun 13, 2019 04:29
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Food Boner posted:*nerd finishes long gushing soliloquy about how rich his life has been since childhood, imaging what happens to luke and leia and han after return of the jedi* Nah its worse than that. Fans & Universe writers: "Here's the story of Han's 3 kids and Luke's wife and all this interesting stuff that happens..." Disney: "Nah nevermind we're reversing all that" Fans: "Wait huh? Lucas you're okay with this? You said it was canon though." Lucas: "Don't care, got paid" Abrams: "Han's kid is a dick, kills him" Johnson: "Luke is old and bitter, Yoda hates the Jedi, Leia actually has more force powers than Luke" Killing them all off between the two trilogies would have been far more respectful.
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I really like that moment with Johnny Sack going "hey, what about capo?" and Ralphie goes "no, no way" And then later he's like "Ralphie suggested Capo, but I threw cold water on it right away" Its such a clear double-face moment, I love that. But like you said, Johnny is also like the only level-headed guy there, who doesn't give a poo poo and just wants things to go on making money.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Remember the Knights of Ren? Yeah, me either. I kinda dig the new trilogy because I always wanted to see what it would be like for random people to stumble in and try to make a cohesive multi-movie storyline that wasn't a horror series. Turns out it's hilarious. We're supposed to accept on faith that A) Even though the empire was destroyed along with the death star, that was all actually a fake happy ending because the New Order basically just stepped in and took over like nothing happened B) Luke trained Kylo Ren, got scared of him, hosed up and caused Ben to turn evil. Both of these are extremely important, powerful, core moments to the series, which fundamentally change major things about characters we knew from the old trilogy and cared about deeply, and they both happen off-camera and are entirely presented to us by after-the-fact exposition dumps of tell-dont-show. That could be done well, having those events happen before the film and drop us in-media-res, except they'd need to show all kinds of things that tell us about how those things happened. They just don't. I can see what they were going for with the New Order being like modern neo-nazi upstarts, but none of it is remotely close to well established. Anybody I've talked to who is a fan of the new movies says "well just read this book and it explains how the new order came to power and who snoke is" and that's not how the movies are supposed to work. Everything about the new series just takes itself for granted. There's ships, there's an empire, we're the plucky rebels, it just assumes these things without actually coming up with reasons for them or establishing how they exist in relation to each other. The whole thing as a result is just going through the motions. I'd kill for something original and interesting. What if after the Empire falls, the Rebellion takes power but ends up slowly becoming corrupted? What if the Jedi actually establish complete dominance of the universe, and force everybody to live according to their laws, which ends up being oppressive? Abrams though is just "more good guys blowing up bad guys" repeat forever, and Johnson was "I'm going to subvert your expectations by making a bad movie that contradicts all star wars canon". Anyways this is a derail and I'm just bitter.
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That "on the fridge! The fridge!!" Is so perfectly desperate while also being so domestic and common. Also the shouting across the house, that just feels very "common man" to me. It contrasts so well with the hoity toity features you mentioned. Great scene.
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I don't know if I'd really call him an addict? He slips up and gambles more than he should but he's an arrogant powerful guy, it seems pretty in character for me to have his hubris get the best of him in Vegas. I need to re-watch that episode though.
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Basebf555 posted:I think it's always tempting to see the heinous things that people do and declare them as sociopaths that are "without empathy". The unfortunate reality is that most of the time people are more complex than that and are able to compartmentalize the horrible things they do while displaying perfectly normal human traits in most other areas of their life. Yeah, agreed. I don't really believe in the concept of "evil". Everything wicked someone does is justified to them on some level. "They deserve it", "I'm getting revenge", etc.
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Yeah, that's very human but also lovely. But the kind of thing kids don't even think about sometimes. (If they're rich and spoiled) She is usually more mature than AJ (she's older after all) but they both have flaws, largely because of Tony.
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Jun 18, 2019 23:03
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BiggerBoat posted:Jackie Jr. tried to give the non existent gift of his mob clout to the drug dealer. It wasn't a gift, he was showing off and flexing. I was with you up to that point, but if all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail. 
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I'm just busting your balls though, you've got a good point there for sure. Seems to be a major theme of those episodes.
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Its a typical mobster mixed message though because Johnny Boy tells him to never gamble as he collects a gambling debt for a wager he accepted. I forget his name, but think of the one shop owner friend of Tony's who he allows to gamble knowing he has a problem, and collects his car and gives to AJ. I wonder if gambling himself isn't in a little way trying to justify accepting wagers while not thinking of himself as being a bad guy for doing so? Hard to separate yourself from your own product. I guess he could be like a drug dealer who knows the stuff he sells is poison and avoids it, but he could also get tempted by being around it. It normalizes it if nothing else.
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Ishamael posted:I think you could definitely do a good, motivated storyline where Tony gets hooked on gambling. But doing it in one episode, start to finish, was weird and didn't work. It was one of the few times you could feel the writers moving pieces around instead of feeling like these were real people. The others being usually when they tried to write dialogue for AJ's friends. For sure, just over-analyzing it for fun 
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Jerusalem posted:That shot of AJ in the thumbnail just suddenly reminded me of that great episode where he's staying the night at his girlfriend's and some dudes outside are making a noise. She says that they used to come around before but her old boyfriend beat the poo poo out of them, with the implication clear that this is what a "man" should do to be a good boyfriend. So AJ goes downstairs, goes to the back of his car as the guys wait to see what weapon he's grabbing... then brings out a bike and says,"Hey if I give you my bike will you go away/be quiet?" Yeah that's such an AJ moment. Its funny how it makes him look good and bad at the same time. Like you said, the implication is a real man would defend his woman and go beat this guys up, and AJ isn't tough and is even maybe a coward. Also that he solves his problems with money, as he's spoiled? But also, it shows that AJ isn't his father and isn't a sociopath. He isn't willing to hurt others to get his way.
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For whatever reason this is easily the most memorable episode in the series for me.
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Basebf555 posted:Honestly like half of my love for Pine Barrens is just that one exchange where the phone connection is bad and Paulie tells Chris that the guy is an interior decorator. I'm guaranteed to laugh my rear end off at that scene no matter how many times I see it. Its true, the phone connection being bad, such a mundane concern made bigger because of the subject, is great. Also that we the audience know what was said but they don't, some fun irony there. Reminds me of the Japanese game show silent library where for some reason having to be quiet makes it funnier. Something about the context is key to the humor.
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Basebf555 posted:Honestly like half of my love for Pine Barrens is just that one exchange where the phone connection is bad and Paulie tells Chris that the guy is an interior decorator. I'm guaranteed to laugh my rear end off at that scene no matter how many times I see it. We forgot the best part Paulie, "You're not gonna believe this! The guy killed 16 Czechoslovakians! He was an interior decorator!" Chris, "... his house looked like poo poo."
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Jun 25, 2019 23:44
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I love Paulie losing his shoe in the snow and what a major problem that turns into. Its such a minor thing, a shoe, and its awkward and not remotely cool to lose your shoe in the snow and get terrified of frostbite just from walking around in the snow. But the snow doesn't care that you're a made man, it'll take you out all the same. Feels like the kind of moment that other shows just wouldn't consider, but its so real. As tough as these wiseguys are, they're just one fuckup away from begging and crying for help. Also y'all remember this story https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/02/us/oregon-snow-taco-sauce/index.html we were all making pine barrens jokes when we heard that
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Dawgstar posted:Wasn't Webistics essentially a big money laundering scheme? Like in addition to massive fraud. Webistics was a pump and dump stock manipulation scheme. You may be able to launder money through that but I'm not sure, I'd think the money you buy the stocks with would have to be clean already.
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Jun 26, 2019 04:09
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Martian Manfucker posted:Is this show worth watching if you've never seen it and the only thing you know about it, really, is that the final scene ends in a weird way with a cut to black? The Sopranos and The Wire are both two shows that undeniably hold up and are worth watching still in TYOOL2019 if you haven't before, even if you've heard spoilers
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ruddiger posted:I liked Paulie up until the stuff with his mom. That came off as really disgusting and still true to his character, which made me realize that nah, this guy is a real piece of poo poo. I always really disliked Paulie myself, but I definitely rooted for him at times. Like all the characters, he's got multiple sides. At times he can be real cool, friendly, in charge, etc. and he's one of the more experienced and less gently caress-up of Tony's crew. But he can turn on you on a dime, there's so many examples of it and it always made me really dislike him. He seems to have almost zero loyalty past how you treated him in the last week. But he also demands complete loyalty from others; a massive hypocrite. Like when Chris first gets made, and then comes up short. I get they're trying to show us its a dog-eat-dog world, and this is his loving job, but the way Paulie was like "hey congrats on getting made, where the gently caress is my money you bitch?" just really highlighted to me how little these guys actually care about each other. Chris is otherwise always shown as this sympathetic younger character, Tony's family, and they're willing to treat him like poo poo, even after he gets made. Non-made guys just get a bullet in the dome because, eh, IDK, it was easier that way. Another example is Paulie turning on the Russian guy. Again, what a great scene, and what a good example of how all the guys are, their dark side. The guy is on their side, he's making Tony tons of money, and he's being friendly. They're in HIS house, and yet because he shows the loving TINIEST amount of disrespect to Paulie, in his own house, Paulie can't take the slight and has to stick it back to him. Its so petty and ends up costing them in multiple ways, but I don't think Paulie ever really had a moment like "oh poo poo, that was dumb of me." His reaction would just be "he shouldn't have made me do that!" He even potentially put Tony's life in danger by doing this, since he had to meet Slava later. Does Paulie recognize he hosed up? Hell no. Or the lawnmower competition where Paulie and ... was it Ralphie? No, it was uhhh somebody else. But anyways, these two guys are having a pissing contest over their turf and who gets to say who does lawnmowing gigs, but rather than fighting each other (because they're both made men) they instead take turns beating the poo poo out of the poor guys making minimum wage doing law mowing. Those guys are busting their humps and don't have any involvement in your spat whatsoever; but Paulie is totally happy to maim and seriously injure these guys just as a way of sending a message. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_VbsCS97EA That's so brutal. And if the guy like, assaulted your sister i'd get it. But to break somebody's legs like that just because they didn't bend over when you told them to get lost... Jesus dude. I didn't mean for this to be such a big post, but that's what a show Sopranos is and what characters they have. I just start thinking about Paulie and moments of conflict with him and one after another interesting scene just starts coming to me. Ornithology posted:Even his arguably best trait, loyalty, is complete bullshit: Wow, and even after all those things I came up with, you have this list here and "not caring about Chris enough" is the only one we both had. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Jul 1, 2019 |
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BiggerBoat posted:I think when people say "like", they mean he was an entertaining part of the show, not that they want to hang out with him or root for him. He had a ton of the best comedic moments in the series (I'll never stop loving the hair in Pine Barrens), was second only to Carmine I think with malaprops and Sirico played him really well. IDK, maybe among people who spend their time analyzing the hell out of 20 year old TV shows like us you're right, but... I dunno. Call me a misanthrope but the older I get and the more people I talk to the more I think most people don't have a very strong sense of morality or principles. People are all too happy to accept main characters who are cool or entertaining, and then find themselves psychologically identifying with them and defending their actions which would otherwise be reprehensible. I truly believe the people making TV shows like Sopranos and The Wire intended for characters like Tony to be clearly flawed to a point of undesirability and a cautionary tale if anything, but I also truly believe there are lots of people who don't get that at all and just legitimately do like the anti-hero. Characters like Tony, Cartman, Scarface, Tyler Durden, they're just too cool at times and some people fall for that. That can become a strong relationship before you consider the ramifications of identifying with it, and some just don't even care. I think its a serious challenge with making art. Depicting something isn't the same as condoning it, but you can't control how people are going to interpret your art. Someone could come away with entirely the opposite take from what you intended, but that's just... how art is I guess. I'm really not sure what you can do about that other than just not making art, or at least not making art about controversial subjects, and that doesn't seem like the right answer.
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Look at how Tony idolizes The Godfather on the show. Life imitating art. And that itself is fictional, but you have to imagine that some real-life mobsters look up to Tony. That's a little weird to think about. Like, hasn't Gandolfini said that he's met with real mobsters since The Sopranos and they were really nice to him or something? That's weird. Now its like Melfi helping Tony, is she really making him better or is she helping him justify what he does and thus ultimately be worse? Does The Sopranos inspire people to think bad of these acts, or does it more inspire people who commit these acts to rationalize and normalize them? Neither, nobody cares, people just wanna binge something after work. Sorry forgetting all meta and weird. I just think its interesting.
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Jul 1, 2019 23:38
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Dawgstar posted:Not really. Real life mobsters liking The Sopranos' actors and the show itself is a tradition that's gone back as far as there were mob movies. "Crazy Joe" Gallo idolized Richard Widmark in 'Kiss of Death' and then it's well known that the Mafia were influenced by The Godfather. And it's pretty easy to see why. Any time you take a profession - even a violent, amoral one - and give the 'workers' characters like them who are both magnetic and charismatic with sharp dialogue doing interesting things they're going to react positively. That's exactly my point though? Ginette Reno posted:I don't know if Tony idolizes it. He's amused by the Godfather and they all enjoy the movie and Sil's quotes, but I don't think they hold it up as a piece of high art or anything or as a moral code to live up to. It's just a goofy Italian movie that's quotable for them. Oh no, its not a moral code to live up to. But they like to imagine themselves as real life movie stars of a sort. It romanticizes their life, and they enjoy taking part in that.
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Jul 2, 2019 04:40
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Vichan posted:LMAO I completely forgot that he's obviously not listening to the Sun Tzu tape AT ALL. That's true! The voiceover saying "he who knows when to fight, and when not to fight" is obviously very intentionally selected. So many nice details.
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Jul 2, 2019 21:42
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Martian Manfucker posted:I don't know if this thread cares about first time viewer impressions, but as a follow-up to this, I just finished season 1 and I'm liking it a lot. Tony and his crew/family are like big kids, and I mean that in the worst way possible. Big kids with power and weapons are terrifying and as much as I've laughed at the show(it's really funny sometimes; Tony giving his doctor neighbour that box of sand to freak him out, Christopher's "script") it's scared me as well. His mom is extremely awful and toxic and that's the point. If that bothers you to the point where you don't want to watch, then its probably not the show for you, because its just gonna be a lot of uncomfortable moments. But... if you're thinking you're supposed to like her you definitely are NOT. She is not a good person. And her role in the show diminishes over time to focus on the mob stuff so if that one thing was bothering you alone then keep going. But if you can't handle watching a show about bad people, don't watch Sopranos. They're all bad people. Martian Manfucker posted:As someone who was diagnosed with BPD I wouldn't characterize myself as an emotionless sociopath, though, that scene with Melfi kinda peeved me off. .......what? What does this even mean? If you're interpreting it as "she has BPD and she's awful so that means they're saying all people with BPD are awful" that does not follow. That's not true.
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Jul 3, 2019 23:41
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Martian Manfucker posted:You're reading a lot into what I said. All I said was that her character is the one I had the strongest reaction to, and tried to explain why. I realize that you're not supposed to like her, or any of the characters on this show, really. None of that was meant to come across like I was hating on the show. I'm liking it a lot... I didn't think you were hating on the show, but I thought you were saying you didn't like those things, that aspect of it. I kinda thought you were saying that's why you hadn't seen the show before; but I kinda totally misread that. Sorry.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtW0e-JW8Cc This is a really good video S4E1 is really, really good. I love opening and ending the episode on World Destruction. Again, I love how the show's editing can reveal such clear double-facedness on the characters. Tony talks to Junior and tells him that things are fine and they are how they are, and he dares not give Junior any more money, and then turns around and berates the poo poo out of his captains for not kicking up enough to Junior like he deserves. HE isn't gonna fix things, but THEY should. Yeah, chain of command, but still. Similarly, Paulie calling up Johnny Sack and ratting about the joke on his wife right away. And clearly looking for something in return.
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crazy eyes mustafa posted:Great write up. When tony can tell Chris is all hosed up and uses him being more triggered by the sombrero to his advantage You get the same thing from how his dad actually died, which I thought was SUCH a realistic thing. Chris "and he got shot on the front lawn, carrying a baby carriage for me?" Tony ".... yeah. I mean..... no..... no, it wasn't a baby carriage. It was some TV trays....... but..... coulda..... coulda just as easily been a baby carriage yeah" The way the story grew over the years, the way Chris' heard it told it was romanticized, the memory had been altered; that's so human. Chris himself wasn't really there to see it or remember it, so he just had to go off what people told him. And Tony knows better so he corrects him, but then he also thinks better of it and realizes he can use this to egg him on that much more.
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BiggerBoat posted:Reading it, a few people mentioned a show I never heard of called Generation Kill by the same creators as the Wire. Anyone seen it and recommend? Its Band of Brothers or The Pacific but for modern lovely conflicts in the middle east. Its not as good as those but still worth watching for sure. Some great performances.
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ruddiger posted:It'll be hosed up if the prequel reveals the cop was given the go ahead to kill Dickie from Tony. My take was that he didn't actually shoot Dickie, some other cop or gangster did. But I love the ambiguity. The cop would say the same thing either way.
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Jul 9, 2019 21:45
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