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But a lot of those spin-off ideas are good ideas and both Square-Enix and Nintendo are where good ideas go to never be fully realized.
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Onmi posted:The fact that Kingdom Hearts: Dark Path, is NOT being developed by Nomura, and is being developed by a new team, is shocking, as Nomura is almost always the lead director on KH and overseeing every aspect. Wait what That is such a bad idea There are two people who are absolutely critical to a Kingdom Hearts game being a Kingdom Hearts game, and that's Tetsuya Nomura and Yoko Shimomura. If you take away one of them it is no longer Kingdom Hearts
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Was also chatting up about how Yozora is playing the Reapers Game in the Secret Episode and it's probably canon that he wins and not you and I'm trying to wrap my head around it * Fight takes place in the 104 * "This isn't what I usually look like." - In TWEWY Shiki's whole thing is she took someone else's body. *  * End of Switch TWEWY they say Neku is getting pulled into another Reapers Game as a sequel hook, something really bad is happening etc *  Someone help me 
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Feb 1, 2020 21:59
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So i have definitely reached the point in UX where I have switched worlds/worldlines/whatever it is so I went and jumped over to the Keyblade War event. WHY ARE THESE SO HIGH LEVELED?! I am winning but I'm not sure how anyone is suppose to survive with out extremely op medels.
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Feb 1, 2020 22:07
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:Was also chatting up about how Yozora is playing the Reapers Game in the Secret Episode and it's probably canon that he wins and not you Every previously canon superboss battle has ended with the players winning though? KH3's is unusual though because it's the only one so far whose ending changes depending on the outcome of the fight
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Feb 1, 2020 22:08
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Fojar38 posted:Every previously canon superboss battle has ended with the players winning though? KH3's is unusual though because it's the only one so far whose ending changes depending on the outcome of the fight I mean yeah, it's usually canon that Sora wins but the most likely ending most people will see is him kicking your rear end and vowing to save you. I mean it can really go both ways, I just think there's a reason they went through the effort to give you basically the same scene for losing.
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mateo360 posted:So i have definitely reached the point in UX where I have switched worlds/worldlines/whatever it is so I went and jumped over to the Keyblade War event. WHY ARE THESE SO HIGH LEVELED?! I am winning but I'm not sure how anyone is suppose to survive with out extremely op medels. In Chi, those were the absolute final quests, and were absolutely murderously difficult as the final challenge of that game. In UX, they’re been brought back and rebalanced to be that same level of difficult but after keeping in mind the wide gulf of power creep vs Chi’s endgame and where we are in UX. They are very hard and you are not likely going to be beating it anytime soon. EDIT: for the record, I’ve been playing this game for a while, and I’ve had some decent luck here and there but for a long time I’ve cursed how bullshit the Hard Content of UX has been. I’ve only just today beaten two of the four Foretellers in the Keyblade War, with the other two absolutely out of my reach currently. If you’ve been hoping to see all the cutscenes of the Keyblade War quest on your own anytime soon, then you’ll be entirely disappointed. XavierGenisi fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Feb 2, 2020 |
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Feb 2, 2020 01:05
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Did Dark Riku count as two keys in KH3's final battle because Repliku also somehow "died?"? After Nort Court you have 12 keys, and MX kills Kairi to get the last one, but Xion defected and didn't die so she didn't create a key. So unless one of the deaths counted as two MX should have only had 11 after Nort Court.
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Feb 2, 2020 06:33
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:I mean yeah, it's usually canon that Sora wins but the most likely ending most people will see is him kicking your rear end and vowing to save you. It's literally both ways as in both ways will be canon somehow.
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So is Suda 51 the only video game producer besides Nomura who gives less fucks about flipping the bird over past slights?
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Burkion posted:So is Suda 51 the only video game producer besides Nomura who gives less fucks about flipping the bird over past slights? Lord British had some bangers.
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Joey Tribbiani on critical difficulty, trying to figure out when to press square during Rechxaldn's Desperation Move.
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ImpAtom posted:Lord British had some bangers. He warned us about EA and no one listened. Who's laughing now, huh?
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I had a thought that Kairi would have been better to become a researcher rather than a warrior, since in the past her contribution to the trio was planning things, such as their raft trip/construction and supplies, and it would have been more dramatic if xemnas had to go ransack the lab and drag her out there to shake her around at Sora, like SURPRISE thought she was safe? I know it makes sense for KHUX to be mobile and not part of the main series since Sora isnt really involved, but I would have loved if it the story/lore was a real game, and not a 1000 chapter mobile game thats 90% extremely boring repetitive garbage and 10% interesting lore that I watch summaries of on Youtube later. The KHUX lore is genuinely cool to me and more interesting than the entire ending of KH3, and I really enjoyed every time some part of it came into play in KH3.
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Bismuth posted:I had a thought that Kairi would have been better to become a researcher rather than a warrior, since in the past her contribution to the trio was planning things, such as their raft trip/construction and supplies, and it would have been more dramatic if xemnas had to go ransack the lab and drag her out there to shake her around at Sora, like SURPRISE thought she was safe? OTOH the fact that Kairi is like, actually supremely good at combat when you finally get to play as her (Like god drat is she really good) is really solid.
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Onmi posted:OTOH the fact that Kairi is like, actually supremely good at combat when you finally get to play as her (Like god drat is she really good) is really solid. Feels unearned. Plus it took them this long to have her do anything and then it's optional and part of the first episode of ReMind, which itself feels like a mostly superfluous extra thing to help the ending make sense. On another point, I'm on the Xion Data Battle now. Doing it all on Critical. So it's just like... turn-based pretty much? I get my combos in and then sit there and block until she's done?
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I really don't know how they could of saved Kairi in remind tbh. She's never fought anything outside bonking a single low level heartless, Merlin skipped out on training her to sit at a cafe, and Lea has no idea how to use a keyblade either and is famous for getting blown up by Nobodies and needing to get saved. From a narrative perspective having Xenmas grab her and bugger off it's like... yeah that was going to happen she's disgustingly out matched. Having Roxas and Xion both get stopped with one hand at the same time, but here comes Kairi to force him to backstep feels super forced, let alone her fighting the big bad who's fully armored up. I really don't care for it even if her moveset was fun, but I have no idea how they could fix it without rewriting entire games to show her actually doing anything. I don't hate Kairi but I don't really know how I could of made it more satisfying at the same time.
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Feb 2, 2020 18:09
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counterpoint: who the hell actually cares about the power levels in kingdom hearts lol
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Kairi is Strong because her heart is strong and she's fighting alongside her and Riku's shared boyfriend Sora, whom she loves very much so her heart gets stronger. The keyblade is your heart made manifest so she is cyber huge. Hope that helps anyone with the bad brains to worry about powerlevels cause one time Tien lost a fist fight to Yamcha so that means Krillin is actually weaker than Piccolo.
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If you need an excuse for why Kairi is OP she's a literal magic princess of the heart. That is all you need.
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Power levels in Kingdom Hearts is a self defeating concept that they never even BOTHER to entertain Sora can smack around Gods and Titans after losing most of his strength in canon and can overpower the manifested strength of Kingdom Hearts itself with a little help from Goofy and Donald Donald, who is the strongest mage in all of Final Fantasy, more powerful than any God, Dragon or Summon. Sora has been slicing sky scrappers apart since he was first going through puberty based entirely on bullshit friendship magic. At some point Nomura flat out stated that Xemnas at the end of KH2 was the most powerful entity in all of Kingdom Hearts, and Sora kicked his poo poo in with his boyfriend. Power is meaningless when you have heart.
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The way power levels work in Kingdom Hearts is pretty consistent with the whole "my friends are my power" thing like when Woody was able to just undo Young Xehanort's corruption by telling him about love. Goons should be pretty familiar with the anti-bullshit of friendship speeches being an established mechanic of the universe.
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I wasn't aware saying that "I wish the writing is consistent" was power level wankery. Like it comes off that way but it just translates to 'okay why wasn't she around kicking rear end in KH2 then in the finale? Or literally any other game?' Have Lea or Merlin or anyone ever mention it other then "poo poo we need a seventh uhhhh.... Kairi? I guess?" Like I'd just like a little bit of effort in making her big moment feel earned instead of just 'boy we pissed a lot of people off, here's a quick random revision I hope this helps.' 
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:I wasn't aware saying that "I wish the writing is consistent" was power level wankery. She wasn't in the final fight of 2 for the same reason Donald and Goofy and Mickey weren't. Mansex didn't grab them. There was no need to 'save' writing her as pretty strong in the new stuff for Remind because: She's a princess of the heart fighting with her love using the physical manifestation of her heart empowered by her connection with sora who spent the entire DLC before that empowering all his allies with his connection with them. This is like saying "Wow suddenly Aqua's doing way better against Terranort all of the sudden...." ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Feb 2, 2020 |
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:She wasn't in the final fight of 2 for the same reason Donald and Goofy and Mickey weren't. Mansex didn't grab them. I just never really had a problem with Aqua because she's had a entire game and a side game to show her fighting and knowing how to fight, and in BBS she beats the absolute poo poo out of Terranort and is the reason he almost falls to darkness. Kairi headbonks a single shadow and her very next fight she's beating up The Final Boss and it's just ehh I'm not asking for less Kairi, I just wanted more. Some scenes of her training in the hyperbolic time chamber or learning some fire spells from Lea or something. That's literally all I'm asking for.
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:I wasn't aware saying that "I wish the writing is consistent" was power level wankery. It is when the thing you want to be consistent is power levels
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aegof posted:It is when the thing you want to be consistent is power levels I mean the very next line I put in that is "I know it comes off that way" before I tried to go into why I feel it was a whiff.
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aegof posted:It is when the thing you want to be consistent is power levels Power level wankery is also sometimes ok!
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what sucks most about kairi in kh3 until remind happened was really just that she wasn't ever given a chance to actually prove herself. she did some fighting and then once the fighting between the guardians and the organization happened, she could presumably hold her own with lea until sora arrived, then both Lea and Kairi got beat up, and Xemnas decides "yep, lets take her away" where she got banished to the cop-out dimension and killed. giving her a chance to be an actual competent asskicker in Remind and not being thrown off to the side as an eternal damsel in distress due to bad writing is at least *something*. it's not the best possible solution, but it's still better than the absolute wet fart that the base game ended with for her
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Feb 2, 2020 21:43
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it would be like if Chip and Dale started beating the poo poo out of everyone
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All things considered I guess it's relatively on-brand for Disney when a character has a vagina as a substitute for development and proving themselves. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Chakram posted:All things considered I guess it's relatively on-brand for Disney when a character has a vagina as a substitute for development and proving themselves. Okay you can take that sentiment right the hell out of this thread please
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Burkion posted:Okay you can take that sentiment right the hell out of this thread please Lotta very normal not weird brained posting here in the last bit. Please do better.
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CharlestonJew posted:it would be like if Chip and Dale started beating the poo poo out of everyone This would be the best part of anything it was part of, it would be real good. It's too good for Kingdom Hearts and will never happen but should.
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Chip and Dale whistling and a high tech fancy gummy ship flying in to drone strike Xehanort would have owned actually.
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ImpAtom posted:If you need an excuse for why Kairi is OP she's a literal magic princess of the heart. That is all you need. Goes to show that Aqua, Terra and Ventus all made good choices on who should inherit their keyblades. Would've been neat if Kairi was also someone you could fight on Destiny Islands. Or at least a little blurb about how she usually fights Selphie/Wakka/Tidus. Also that whatever training she and Lea did was really helpful. Sora never got any formal training of any kind and by 2 was making light spheres explode around him so actually having a Keyblade really speeds things along too. CharlestonJew posted:it would be like if Chip and Dale started beating the poo poo out of everyone aegof posted:This would be the best part of anything it was part of, it would be real good. It's too good for Kingdom Hearts and will never happen but should. ZenMasterBullshit posted:Chip and Dale whistling and a high tech fancy gummy ship flying in to drone strike Xehanort would have owned actually. The best part of Kingdom hearts, IMO, is these kinds of ideas. Imagine if they abandoned the rules about world borders and asked for Hercules and Genie's help and gave them both Keyblades.
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That is a thing to keep in mind Kairi did god knows what kind of training with Lea, who at the very least was a powerful Nobody and has any kind of combat experience, plus whatever training Merlin let her do. Sora's training consists of Jack and poo poo, with Jack staying in Halloween Town plotting to terrorize Santa Claus and thus is too busy to teach him diddly. Or is too busy being crabs Really take your pick of Jacks. He got handed the keyblade because his dumbass boyfriend decided it'd be a swell idea to jump into the abyss, and the only thing approaching a lesson he learned from there was 'don't die' as everyone from the forces of utter destruction and doom and the Anime Pretty Boy Brigade try to cave his skull in. Never forget, his first encounter in Traverse Town is Leon showing up to kick his rear end. No questions, no hey how you doin, instant gunblade to the throat. From there Sora's total amount of training has amounted to exactly nothing, with even Yen Sid just going "Whatever" at the poor kid. And he's the rear end in a top hat who went on the beat the poo poo out of every single super powered bad guy who has ever been dumb enough to not be his friend, and even a few that have. Meeting the Disney equivalent to Satan was basically Sora just going "huh, neat" before beating his face in. Both of them! So Kairi having ANY kind of skill at all when she's had as minimal training as she has? You know, I'm willing to buy it in this series.
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RareAcumen posted:The best part of Kingdom hearts, IMO, is these kinds of ideas. Genie actually has a Kyeblade or Keyblade substitute when summoned in KH2 it’s honestly kind of neat. I think it looks like 3 wishes from Kingdom Hearts 1? Also yeah, the weird thing isn’t Kairi being able to fight, it’s how little visible fighting she managed in the original release.
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Lord_Magmar posted:Genie actually has a Kyeblade or Keyblade substitute when summoned in KH2 it’s honestly kind of neat. I think it looks like 3 wishes from Kingdom Hearts 1? Yeah, but I just assume that a real one would probably be better than what he's making at a glance. Lord_Magmar posted:Also yeah, the weird thing isn't Kairi being able to fight, it's how little visible fighting she managed in the original release. Can't have girls piledriving their friends and also making cute accessories.
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If Kairi had put up a good fight and then been clocked rather than the classic one-wrist-grab = off button it would have been fun. Shes actually way more clever and feisty in the manga, that version of her would have been a lot of fun to play as/see getting to beat some rear end.
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