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Gologle
Apr 15, 2013

The Gologle Posting Experience.

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lmao, Axel was not a strong Nobody.

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Lord_Magmar
Feb 24, 2015

"Welcome to pound town, Slifer slacker!"


Gologle posted:

lmao, Axel was not a strong Nobody.

He was strong enough that Xemnas trusted him to hunt down traitors to Organization XIII, which implies he’d be one of the strongest members of said Organization. In fact the only ones definitely stronger at a quick glance are Saix, Xemnas, and Marluxia; now obviously others could also be stronger than Axel but yeah.

lezard_valeth
Mar 14, 2016
The strongest member is obviously Luxord. The only reason he loses is because he is a good sport and plays fairly. He could have turned Sora into a card and chucked him to the Kraken at any point but chose not to, because he is a good guy and critical to the story as he has always been. Yep.

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend

Thinking about that one dril tweet about the motorcycle revving up a cloud of smoke and him being dead on the ground when it clears.

That's Axel.

Caidin
Oct 29, 2011
Kairi and Lea were brought to and trained on the magical island of Avalon where she proceeded to do every possible KH level the Gargoyle series could conceivably produce and thats why we will never go there

This gave her a really big power level, but the good guys are still really cut scene incompetent so it only kinda helps.

Lord_Magmar
Feb 24, 2015

"Welcome to pound town, Slifer slacker!"


lezard_valeth posted:

The strongest member is obviously Luxord. The only reason he loses is because he is a good sport and plays fairly. He could have turned Sora into a card and chucked him to the Kraken at any point but chose not to, because he is a good guy and critical to the story as he has always been. Yep.

I mean the dude has power over time and mostly uses it to play weird silly card games. He’s obscenely powerful if he ever took himself seriously, given we’ve seen the sort of damage time stopping can do on Mickey or used by Mickey.

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend

The whole thing about 'well Sora just got handed a keyblade and didn't have training' also kinda falls apart because he doesn't instantly rush in and kick Ansem in the teeth right away. He's fighting little babby shadows and shadows that have funny hats for entire worlds- and by the time of 3 has been on what like 6 quests at this point?

Kairi I might be forgetting was in a coma for all of 1 until the very end. Went back home for all of 2 except for the end when she got dragged to the world that never was and uhh... she went back home after that and went back to school or whatever until they needed her? I kinda forgot what happens to her in that downtime. Aside from 'not a lot of anything.'

It also kinda sounds like she's going to go back to doing nothing in the next game since they put her in a coma and went 'actually Riku you're going to have to go alone you're gonna be the hero again.'

I need to rewatch the scene again but what was Riku during that entire time anyway? Mickey, Donald and Goofy were exploring worlds Sora has been to, Kairi went into a coma to search her heart, BBS Trio are in [darkness] and the FF characters and Castle Crew are loving around with computers. Was Riku just kinda hanging out during all this?


E: What are the odds we have a playable Yozora in the next game?

ThisIsACoolGuy fucked around with this message at 04:36 on Feb 3, 2020

Gologle
Apr 15, 2013

The Gologle Posting Experience.

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Remember that children are canonically the most powerful existences in all of Kingdom Hearts because they have the purest strongest hearts until they get older. The older Sora gets, the weaker he becomes. Kairi, being a year younger (IIRC), is leagues above Sora in power level.

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend

Gologle posted:

Remember that children are canonically the most powerful existences in all of Kingdom Hearts because they have the purest strongest hearts until they get older. The older Sora gets, the weaker he becomes.

Is that why there's a year time skip

To justify the next level reset.

E: Everyone talks about Sora's mom but does Riku have parents?

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Bismuth posted:

If Kairi had put up a good fight and then been clocked rather than the classic one-wrist-grab = off button it would have been fun. Shes actually way more clever and feisty in the manga, that version of her would have been a lot of fun to play as/see getting to beat some rear end.

I know this was definitely the case for the Chain of Memories one, does anyone know any other examples of manga versions of characters being a lot better? I wanna say maybe Megaman.exe but I don't know for sure about that one.

Gologle posted:

lmao, Axel was not a strong Nobody.

Says you! He kicked my rear end like 14 times in Chain of Memories!

Lord_Magmar posted:

He was strong enough that Xemnas trusted him to hunt down traitors to Organization XIII, which implies he’d be one of the strongest members of said Organization. In fact the only ones definitely stronger at a quick glance are Saix, Xemnas, and Marluxia; now obviously others could also be stronger than Axel but yeah.

I'm gonna say Lexaeus too because of how heavy his attacks are. I feel like he's like a bulldozer of a character and if he hits you you're gonna get something broken. Not as much a problem with how agile everyone is in 3 though.

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

ThisIsACoolGuy posted:

Is that why there's a year time skip

To justify the next level reset.

E: Everyone talks about Sora's mom but does Riku have parents?

Honestly the only reason people like to joke about Sora's mom is because they went out of their way to show she existed and call him down for supper

If it hadn't been for that no one would have thought twice about it like they don't for any other character ever.

fractalairduct
Sep 26, 2015

I, Giorno Giovanna, have a dream!

Fojar38 posted:

Did Dark Riku count as two keys in KH3's final battle because Repliku also somehow "died?"? After Nort Court you have 12 keys, and MX kills Kairi to get the last one, but Xion defected and didn't die so she didn't create a key. So unless one of the deaths counted as two MX should have only had 11 after Nort Court.

Xigbar didn't die either so :shrug:

ThisIsACoolGuy posted:

E: Everyone talks about Sora's mom but does Riku have parents?

He might mention them in BBS? I know there's a mention of Sora's parents there.

ZenMasterBullshit
Nov 2, 2011

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fractalairduct posted:

Xigbar didn't die either so :shrug:

He did cast off all the built up darkness tho. I think that's all that that had to have happened. You just fully murdered the other org nerdss so they could be real people again. Xigbar just had reason to get the gently caress out before you did him in fully.

Bismuth
Jun 11, 2010

by Azathoth
Hell Gem
I dont have any especially good examples without going back through the manga but I know Kairi does nearly escape the world that never was by herself, by not being a total airheaded wimp, and Namine helped.

Heres a couple galleries of random silly faces and panels from the manga though
CoM KH1 i think

UnderFreddy
Oct 9, 2012

GEGENPOSTING

ThisIsACoolGuy posted:


It also kinda sounds like she's going to go back to doing nothing in the next game since they put her in a coma and went 'actually Riku you're going to have to go alone you're gonna be the hero again.'

isn't this likely to be her going through her own DDD? Seems like that could be a game on its own

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend

UnderFreddy posted:

isn't this likely to be her going through her own DDD? Seems like that could be a game on its own

I'm not sure how it would crossover as the plot seems to want to follow Riku/Sora/Yozora

Like maybe she shows up at the very end of the game in Typical Kairi Fashion but it's too early to really tell


E: Was looking through old superbosses and what was the deal with No Hearts fight again? I recall hearing that it was Xehanorts armor and sure, but now that KH3 is out we know his armor is a goat. Also there's that whole phase where MoM's keyblade hilt begins to spew a wall of darkness and trying to kill you and uh that's new I wanna say?

ThisIsACoolGuy fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Feb 3, 2020

Burkion
May 10, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

ThisIsACoolGuy posted:

I'm not sure how it would crossover as the plot seems to want to follow Riku/Sora/Yozora


The way it's implied at the end of ReMind, after you beat the data fights but before Yozora, is that like Kairi, Riku is going to have to go into the realm of dreams again, and explore his own heart/dreams for clues.

Since Kairi is already in that state, and we have zero reason to assume Yozora has anything to do with those guys since he's busy fighting Sora and getting taken around by Luxord, that would make Riku's obvious partner Kairi. Who lends herself really well to the cute dream eaters.

Remember, they also call out that the part of the first secret movie we saw, Riku waking up in Tokyo, was just his dream.

Right now the current pairs are- BBS Trio are off in Darkness, Sea Salt are off in the Mainframe, Disney Trio are doing a Disney Tour, and Riku and Kairi are exploring their own hearts/dreams

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend

Burkion posted:

The way it's implied at the end of ReMind, after you beat the data fights but before Yozora, is that like Kairi, Riku is going to have to go into the realm of dreams again, and explore his own heart/dreams for clues.

Since Kairi is already in that state, and we have zero reason to assume Yozora has anything to do with those guys since he's busy fighting Sora and getting taken around by Luxord, that would make Riku's obvious partner Kairi. Who lends herself really well to the cute dream eaters.

Remember, they also call out that the part of the first secret movie we saw, Riku waking up in Tokyo, was just his dream.

Right now the current pairs are- BBS Trio are off in Darkness, Sea Salt are off in the Mainframe, Disney Trio are doing a Disney Tour, and Riku and Kairi are exploring their own hearts/dreams

Fair, I figured Kairi's magic coma or whatever was different than whatever Riku has to do to go to the sleeping worlds, but it is occurring to me that the process is probably a bit more complicated then 'riku climbs into a cozy bed and takes a nap' :v:

lezard_valeth
Mar 14, 2016

Burkion posted:

Honestly the only reason people like to joke about Sora's mom is because they went out of their way to show she existed and call him down for supper

If it hadn't been for that no one would have thought twice about it like they don't for any other character ever.

Any other director by this point would have admitted to regret having included Sora's mom due to how inconvenient it would be to fit in the "multiverse saving keyblade war" quest. Some might even ask the fans to consider her non canon.

Not Nomura though. Everything has a reason to be in Nomura's game and it has been so since the start, yep.

In Kingdom Hearts 4 it will be revealed that Sora's mom was in fact Sora's MoM.

Chakram
Jun 3, 2010

by Shine
Nomura has made it pretty clear that hyping the possibility of Kairi doing things will be met with punishment.

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he2e3QS3rTA

:allears:

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014

I hope whatever future KH game that features Yozora somehow finds a way to throw Noctis and crew in there too for maximum confusion.

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RuLKK_FjwM

Bizkit breaks down Yozora

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Has anyone beaten Yozora yet using either the guns that shoot bees, the giant frying pan, or the cartoon spring that honks whenever it lands a hit

TopHatGenius
Oct 3, 2008

something feels
different

Hot Rope Guy
Data Luxord is the coolest fight soo far. The way the music changes during his DM is really neat too. Definitely a whole lot better then his KH2 Data fight.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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The OST for the data fights + Yozora is loving mind blowing

In addition to the transitions that are explicitly triggered (Young Xehanort and Luxord's DM's for instance) there are other fights where the music has what sounds like a DM transition except they seem to be timed to roughly coincide with when most players will encounter a DM rather than being directly tied to the DM itself (Ansem and Marluxia come to mind)

We need Sora for Smash just so we can get these sick tunes there

edit: True Org XIII's makeup also means that music from every game in the series makes a return (except for coded lol) which further makes the Limit Cut feel like a fitting tribute to conclude the Xehanort Saga

Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Feb 4, 2020

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014

Yeah I was just thinking the other day that through Data True Org XIII, we basically get souped up versions of the final bosses of most of the games.

Other than coded I guess the main exception is no harder version of Armored Ventus Nightmare, but eh we got Young Xehanort at least.

mateo360
Mar 20, 2012

TOO MANY PEOPLE MERLOCK!
ONLY ONE DIJON!
well I was blazing though the KHUX story and was feeling fine until the story jumped from lv 300 to lv 750. I nearly lost to a caution archer who almost one shotted me. Also apparently the game thinks the KHIII Ven medal I pulled is better then the KH III Kairi I had been using up till now.

XavierGenisi
Nov 7, 2009

:dukedog:

mateo360 posted:

well I was blazing though the KHUX story and was feeling fine until the story jumped from lv 300 to lv 750. I nearly lost to a caution archer who almost one shotted me. Also apparently the game thinks the KHIII Ven medal I pulled is better then the KH III Kairi I had been using up till now.

the SN++ KH3 BBS trio medals are actually some of the best medals around. Kairi medals are very useful and such, but they’re usually buffer medals, which are your backbones to support the rest of your loadout

just hitting optimize on your keyblade setups isn’t perfect and you should be setting up a deck for each keyblade and making sure you got traits and skills on stuff going forward

The latest story stuff isn’t very difficult but it’s gonna catch you off guard if you don’t actually set up your decks

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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I'm so close to getting my A-Rank Pro Code trophy but man Rex's lvl 47 Yozora is a huge roadblock for my lvl 1 Sora

Gologle
Apr 15, 2013

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Rex has played Verum Rex longer than Sora has been alive, bet.

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHvNwjMReTw

ZenMasterBullshit
Nov 2, 2011

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Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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It just occurred to me that Larxene might be a lot stronger than she appears to be, considering she was powerful enough to create an entire massive structure single-handedly in Arendelle, a feat that thus far only the Norts have demonstrated the ability to do IIRC

And ice wasn't even her thing

lezard_valeth
Mar 14, 2016
Xigbar: Let's make it interesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Epinm7TGhW4

MorningMoon
Dec 29, 2013

He's been tapping into Aunt May's bank account!
Didn't I kill him with a HELICOPTER?
The way I took the Verum Rex stuff is that Sora is probably currently inside Yozora's dreams or maybe heart. I'm kinda picturing that this will take the place of Traverse Town and Radiant Garden going forward; Shibuya 13 VS will be the base of operations, and FF characters will hop by to make up for Disney characters no longer allowed to leave their own worlds.

I'd hope Kairi gets more of a role going forward, but not gonna hold up hope. I'm just glad she got to do more than Lea.


I would also like to add that it's crazy to me how y'all had to spend a year wondering what the gently caress happened to Sora instead of immediately doing re:mind after the base game's ending. Foolishness.

oh yeah also Scrooge totally loving visited Yozora's world and was like "yo this poo poo's perfect for a videogame. Oh, but the game and watch won't do, I must find a world with a console powerful enough for this" then went to Toy Story World, bought out Square Enix and he and Nomura ate ice cream and made Verum Rex.

KH4 will begin like KH2, with Yozora playing out Verum Rex, only it'll be 48 hours long and contain the whole original pitch Nomura had.

Burkion posted:

But the biggest thing they dropped, that would not work as a mobile but would be PERFECT as a switch spin off?

Dream Drop Distance 2.0, The Kairi Riku adventure. The secret ending portion with Riku was revealed to be him dreaming, and Kairi is already dreaming while searching her heart.

And tell me that Kairi doesn't make sense as a Pokemon master.

If ANY of these get a full game made, and we're due for a Nintendo release, it's that one. They clearly still like the Dream Eater concept, and I'm sure they can improve on it from what it was in the past.

And the Switch is a good enough system that they don't have to jump through hoops to make games on it
that can upscale well like the 3DS

Fear not the mobile future you can see

Believe in Kairi becoming a Pokemon master that is in your heart

Dream Drop Distance Dos yessss


on the subject of Kairi, her and Lea jobbing together was something I bought easily. Lea has combat experience but is still learning the keyblade stuff, meanwhile Kairi is more of a natural to using her heart, but lacks real combat experience. They jobbed to one of the strongest beings in all reality during their first fight, and then when Sora gives Kairi direct support, she dismantles the strongest motherfucker out there.

It can be in a number of ways, but ultimately, Kairi just needs a game. Let's say DDDDos happens and she and Riku team up to go around dreams. She gets to save worlds from modest and acceptable levels of Darkness like Sora's done countless times before. That's all she need to be "believable" as a massive force of good capable of handling one of the dozen things MoM is cooking.

MorningMoon fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Feb 19, 2020

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Craziest part of Yozora is that he's still only Level 1.

TheLoneStar
Feb 9, 2017

Well, I just beat Re:Mind...and am of course more confused than before I started. Classic Kingdom Hearts. Thank God I was on Beginner or else I'd never have been able to get through those Data Organization fights. Even Yozora only took two tries thanks to a Kupo Coin, but I still have no idea why he's even a part of things if he's just some video game character supposedly. I mean I get that we're not supposed to know, but I don't think Kingdom Hearts has ever melted my brain like this...

aegof
Mar 2, 2011

TheLoneStar posted:

Well, I just beat Re:Mind...and am of course more confused than before I started. Classic Kingdom Hearts. Thank God I was on Beginner or else I'd never have been able to get through those Data Organization fights. Even Yozora only took two tries thanks to a Kupo Coin, but I still have no idea why he's even a part of things if he's just some video game character supposedly. I mean I get that we're not supposed to know, but I don't think Kingdom Hearts has ever melted my brain like this...

Digital constructs can have hearts, so Yozora is just as qualified for KH nonsense as anyone else. A "just some video game character" can be every bit as real as anyone else in this franchise.

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TheLoneStar
Feb 9, 2017

I know they can have hearts, I just mean why is Yozora relevant at all?

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