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Nolan fight scenes work ok because the stuff around them is cool, in a vacuum they’re pretty lame. It’s kind of the reverse kaiju movie problem. He’d never do it but if he’d delegate or collaborate with an action crew his movies would be better served.
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TDKR is literally about about both the police and Batman being reborn into their Batman 66 versions, so it is to some degree intentionally corny looking.
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Apr 3, 2021 02:56
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Timeless Appeal posted:TDKR is literally about about both the police and Batman being reborn into their Batman 66 versions, so it is to some degree intentionally corny looking. I think I'm more ambivalent towards Nolan than just about any director though, sometimes I just absolutely hate him and I can't pinpoint why.
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Apr 3, 2021 03:01
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bushisms.txt posted:But TDKRs fights were awful because they all hinged on someone deus ex machina'ing from off screen. Married with Nolan's fight choreography(aggressive dance) it comes off as pitiful. He didn't even put emphasis on the backbreaker. As people stated, the whole point was that Batman and everyone born from the League sucked as well as Gotham police, so everyone needed to be reborn and get over their silly poo poo. Everyone in that movie was stupid as hell except Blake and that's why he gets to be Batman if needed (and he also realized cops suck).
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Apr 3, 2021 03:18
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well why not posted:Nolan fight scenes work ok because the stuff around them is cool, in a vacuum they’re pretty lame. It’s kind of the reverse kaiju movie problem. We already have the MCU problem where the action scenes are made completely separately as basically filler.
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Apr 3, 2021 04:09
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bushisms.txt posted:But TDKRs fights were awful because they all hinged on someone deus ex machina'ing from off screen. Married with Nolan's fight choreography(aggressive dance) it comes off as pitiful. He didn't even put emphasis on the backbreaker. I'm not saying they were good. But the explicit point of BB's style was that Batman relies on surprise and fear. As you show more of it, as he does in TDK and even more so in Rises, you realise how silly it all looks. It strikes me as much as a textual choice as a limitation of the stunt team. I mean, Bane straight tells him that he's dependent on theatrics.
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Apr 3, 2021 04:11
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The shot of the gas pellets blowing up around Bane is a really effective shot.
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Apr 3, 2021 04:29
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There's a reason that in pretty much all Batman media, and illustrated quite well in the Arkham games, that Batman's whole horror movie schtick really only works on goons, and as a way to deal with heavily armed ones. Actually pretty consistent that he switches up his fighting style depending on what he's facing, just in the Nolanverse there's very little in the way of opponents besides goons and military hardware. Also pretty common for him to get his cape handed to him the first time around and then figure out how to deal with them next time.
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Apr 3, 2021 05:05
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Snowman_McK posted:I'm not saying they were good. But the explicit point of BB's style was that Batman relies on surprise and fear. As you show more of it, as he does in TDK and even more so in Rises, you realise how silly it all looks. It strikes me as much as a textual choice as a limitation of the stunt team. Darko posted:As people stated, the whole point was that Batman and everyone born from the League sucked as well as Gotham police, so everyone needed to be reborn and get over their silly poo poo. Everyone in that movie was stupid as hell except Blake and that's why he gets to be Batman if needed (and he also realized cops suck). https://youtu.be/SnHCZCqqbg4 The fight choreography is just there.
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Apr 3, 2021 05:28
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Superman Returns should have just been this: Title Card Superman saving plane scene "Is everyone alright?" The End I'm a giant Superman fan and I can't remember anything about it except the airplane and the bullet bouncing off Kal-El's loving eye. Which was pretty loving cool. I also like the shooter's optimism, "I just put 40,000 rounds from a minigun into this guy's chest and he doesn't care but will he withstand... MY GLOCK!?!" Wasn't the plot something about Lex Luthor trying to run a real estate scam using some Kryptonian crystal or something? And at the end Superman lifts a continent made of Kryptonite into space and his Super-son kills a mook with a piano? People can talk poo poo about Jesse's Lex all they want, that Kevin Spacey Lex is loving dire awful IMO, less of a villain and more of a scammy rear end in a top hat. Maybe WB will throw Brandon Routh a bone and let him be a multiverse Superman bit part in a movie someday. Feel bad for the dude, he was a pretty decent Supes stuck in a loving abominable bore of a movie.
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Apr 3, 2021 12:04
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It kinda makes sense since that’s how everyone beats dragons or armoured beasts in fantasy stories- go for the eye.
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To be fair the first movie Lex was also a scammy rear end in a top hat. Just his scam happened to involve uh, detonating California
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Apr 3, 2021 12:44
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In Retyrns the scam was to make a new continent, which would displace water flooding a ton of the US. Lex would somehow legally own this continent and control it with his army of about 4 goons. People would want to live on this ugly as gently caress continent with no vegetation, water, or animal life
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Apr 3, 2021 13:10
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Martman posted:e: also "capeshit" sounds too much like "apeshit" so it seems kind of angry No those are Kong films and Congo
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Apr 3, 2021 16:31
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How does Kal eventually get the upper hand on zod . Zod seems to have been a better Kyrotinian. Maybe I missed it. Its frenetic and my family won’t shut up ever
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Apr 3, 2021 16:52
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euphronius posted:How does Kal eventually get the upper hand on zod . Zod seems to have been a better Kyrotinian. Zod’s trying to slam Superman into the Earth from orbit, but Superman manages to flip them at the last moment so that Zod takes the impact instead. It’s implied that he gets the strength to do this because he senses Lois nearby.
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Apr 3, 2021 16:56
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Oh yeah watching it as a clip on YouTube zod realizes he’s about to get hurt and screams.
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Apr 3, 2021 17:06
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I was surprised the “Kal-El, no!” in JL was Snyder. Obviously Lois would have talked with Bruce and Diana, but it felt more like a Whedon line for some reason.
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There's a side by side comparison, it's a different take. Neither take is very good.
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Apr 3, 2021 17:25
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It’s because Gal Gadot’s read is horrible but hey, Snyder’s not a miracle worker.
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https://twitter.com/ZackSnyder/status/1378382877813960709
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Apr 3, 2021 18:19
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well why not posted:Nolan fight scenes work ok because the stuff around them is cool, in a vacuum they’re pretty lame. It’s kind of the reverse kaiju movie problem. I always thought they looked silly as hell because Nolan’s Batman uses some kind of really specific martial art where he blocks and attacks with his forearms consistently. I don’t know poo poo about martial arts, so I can’t elaborate, but Batman does it all three movies and it just looks stupid. Also Bale’s Batman voice. Lmao.
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Blue Raider posted:I always thought they looked silly as hell because Nolan’s Batman uses some kind of really specific martial art where he blocks and attacks with his forearms consistently. I don’t know poo poo about martial arts, so I can’t elaborate, but Batman does it all three movies and it just looks stupid.
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Apr 3, 2021 20:28
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Martman posted:That "style" was invented for the movies as I recall, and is in fact dumb as hell
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Apr 3, 2021 20:58
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The Nolan movies are also one long subversive poo poo on Batman and exposing how dumb the whole thing is. He’s meant to be a goober because that’s what the whole of Batman is.
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+1 Snyder should just walk away from WB and take whatever the gently caress Netflix offers him lol.
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teagone posted:+1 Snyder should just walk away from WB and take whatever the gently caress Netflix offers him lol. Guys, guys....Zack Snyder's Warhammer (or 40,000) It's got armour, it's got slo mo, it's got perpetually moody lighting. It's actually kind of weird that, as everything gets a movie or tv adaptation, there still hasn't been a 40k adaptation outside of that one really bad cartoon.
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Snowman_McK posted:Guys, guys....Zack Snyder's Warhammer (or 40,000) If Snyder does Warhammer, you bet your rear end Cavill would be all on it on that too.
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If they make a 40k adaptation without Cavill we'd need to organise a wellness check on the guy.
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Cavil as Eisenhorn
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If I was going to do a 40K film or series of them, I'd probably start with something to do with inquisitors. They tend to kick off relatively small scale, tend to have a more diverse cast (rather than 'stoic space marine' and 'slightly more stoic space marine) and lend themselves to a straightforward structure. And, of course, you can get crazy. I think the first Eisenhorn book ends with a full scale invasion of a planet populated by Cthulu aliens or something. I also think Snyder is one of the few guys that could do The Emperor vs. Horus as awesomely as i did it in my own head when I was 11.
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Just watched Zilla vs Munkey and I enjoyed it as a lite-snyder take on Bat v Superman. Magical element bonded to old-style weapon that the OP force of Nature is weak against, enemies become allies as a gruesome third enters the fight (an abomination birthed from science and the misuse of a former threat's biological leavings), decent framing.
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If only the axe were a spear instead, and the magical Hollow Earth ape hall had an armory where Kong could don an armored suit made of Godzilla plate scales. The Luthor stand-in of some tech CEO wanting to kill a god is present too, so they should've just gone all in with the analogues lol. I love GvK so much.
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Apr 4, 2021 06:28
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Well the Axe is pretty obviously made of Godzilla dorsal scales, which I thought was a nice touch. Iono, even the color grading seemed like it was a brighter lit Snyder joint. Some of the color work in the nighttime Hong Kong bash was real pretty. And the Hollow Earth stuff was just big fun.
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FilthyImp posted:Well the Axe is pretty obviously made of Godzilla dorsal scales, which I thought was a nice touch. No yeah that's what I mean, I wish the Godzilla dorsal fin was affixed to a spear instead of an axe lol, and that Kong put on a suit of Godzilla plate scale armor because why the gently caress not lmao. The movie is already wacky as hell. Seeing a giant ape in plate armor would've been stupid fun. [edit] 
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Also crossposting this because, lmao, I love the idea so much:Violator posted:This would have been the perfect way to introduce the little girl and her relationship with Kong. Have the movie open from Kong's perspective. He wakes up because of the sound of a terrible storm approaching. He sees it roll over the hills, killing baby Skull Crawlers and destroying villages. He rushes down to find the little girl sheltering under some debris, the last survivor. They look up in the sky and see a terrible three headed lizard flying in the sky with yellow lightning, the eye of the storm following it. KingG's storm disrupted the natural hurricane surrounding Skull Island. Now, with the storm gone and his camouflage gone, the titans and humans of the world become aware of Kong just as he wants to seek revenge against the lizard monsters that killed his community. He and the little girl must learn to trust other titans.
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teagone posted:If Snyder does Warhammer, you bet your rear end Cavill would be all on it on that too. And that guy who played zeus.
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Yeah really the only main difference is rather than Batman having agency even as he is being led around by Lex, Kong kind of us just acting in instinct mostly and the Lex is relying on that instinct. Unless you kind of consider Alexander Skaaarsgard Batman and Kong as his suit, then he's the one being led around by Lex. Either way Godzilla is the Superman of this scenario. But yeah it was a fun movie. I loved the hollow Earth stuff and the movie having no shame about saying "Oh yeah the earth is hollow in this movie btw, just accept it" It's just a shame there was no Wonder Woman. Or Wonder Woman watching videos of other monsters. I think that was in the previous movie actually. John Wick of Dogs fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Apr 4, 2021 |
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They actually mention that Skull Island is basically a case of the Hollow Earth ecosystem replicated on the surface. Also, Cavill could be Ciaphas Cain.
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