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Grendels Dad posted:It's still super-funny that the bonus material on my DVD has animated shorts that show that the robots where actually the good guys suicide bombing a human metropolis to liberate their robot brethren, or some such. Right - "whenever we encounter such a purely evil Outside, we should gather the courage to endorse the Hegelian lesson: in this pure Outside, we should recognize the distilled version of our own essence." Man Of Steel is Snyder's first (and currently only) unironic movie. Even the women in Sucker Punch have some ideological limitations - hence their preoccupation with the Matrix-style nightmare of a 'real reality' underneath the virtual universe of the brothel. "Even if the struggle takes place in the 'real reality', the key fight is to be won in the Matrix, which is why one should (re)enter its virtual fictional universe. If the struggle were to take place solely in the 'desert of the real,' it would have been another boring dystopia about the remnants of humanity fighting evil machines. [...] So, although economy is the real site and politics a theater of shadows, the main fight is to be fought in politics and ideology." -Zizek
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Right - "whenever we encounter such a purely evil Outside, we should gather the courage to endorse the Hegelian lesson: in this pure Outside, we should recognize the distilled version of our own essence." Man Of Steel is Snyder's first (and currently only) unironic movie. Even the women in Sucker Punch have some ideological limitations - hence their preoccupation with the Matrix-style nightmare of a 'real reality' underneath the virtual universe of the brothel. How do you reckon BvS is ironic?
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McCloud posted:How do you reckon BvS is ironic? Because it’s a return to the style of Watchmen, with the trademark speed-ramping sneaking back in and whatnot . This stylistic return aligns with how Bruce Wayne takes altogether the wrong lesson from Superman and assembles a team of corporate-funded Avengers in the end - which is exactly what Luthor was doing before his suicidal meltdown and arrest.
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Yeah, Superman himself isn't an ironic character in BvS, but things like Batman's holy fury in the warehouse, or manipulations to see Lex tortured in Arkham, suggest the guy isn't as cleanly redeemed as we might want to think.
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That is also the purpose of his appearance at the end of Suicide Squad.
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Can't wait to see them follow up on that thread.
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Sir Kodiak posted:Yeah, Superman himself isn't an ironic character in BvS, but things like Batman's holy fury in the warehouse, or manipulations to see Lex tortured in Arkham, suggest the guy isn't as cleanly redeemed as we might want to think. I guess that was part of his supposed arc in Justice League that was cut, where he turned his rage inwards towards complete self destruction and suicide.
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Sir Kodiak posted:Can't wait to see them follow up on that thread. Maybe if James Gunn consulted Snyder the same way James Wan did.
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I was under the impression that Affleck was gone and presumably they want to distance the Matt Reeves version from Snyder's, though I certainly wouldn't mind there being multiple Batmen the way they're apparently going to have multiple Jokers.
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The MSJ posted:Maybe if James Gunn consulted Snyder the same way James Wan did. The two already have an established working relationship since Snyder directed Gunn's script for Dawn of the Dead. Suicide Squad 2's going to be off the hook.
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Sir Kodiak posted:I was under the impression that Affleck was gone and presumably they want to distance the Matt Reeves version from Snyder's, though I certainly wouldn't mind there being multiple Batmen the way they're apparently going to have multiple Jokers. If WB is still so worried about that they should just have Batman Inc. be a thing so they can have more freedom with who is cast since it will always be a given they're only doing one or two movies at most.
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Violator posted:I guess that was part of his supposed arc in Justice League that was cut, where he turned his rage inwards towards complete self destruction and suicide. There's a shot in the assault on Steppenwolf's reactor complex where the Batmobile's cannon ejects a shell that echoes the military funeral from BvS; this would have been an excellent thematic callback and moment of character insight in Snyder's version, but in Whedon's can only really be read as "gently caress yeah we're blowin' up aliens, get some  ".
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McSpanky posted:There's a shot in the assault on Steppenwolf's reactor complex where the Batmobile's cannon ejects a shell that echoes the military funeral from BvS; this would have been an excellent thematic callback and moment of character insight in Snyder's version, but in Whedon's can only really be read as "gently caress yeah we're blowin' up aliens, get some I think that was gonna be batman attempting a suicidal charge to buy the league more time to deal with Steppy, but gets saved by Wondy. It's almost the same in Josstice league, where the insinuation is that Batman has a deathwish and wants to die to redeem himself, but that theme is dropped after wonder woman bails him out. My guess is that the original idea was for it to culminate in Batman sacrificing himself for a pregnant Lois Lane, bringing everything full circle.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Man Of Steel is Snyder's first (and currently only) unironic movie. What about The Owls of Ga'Hoole? It's been awhile since I saw it but it doesn't seem ironic.
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Feb 9, 2019 03:33
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All of Snyder's films are adaptations of 300, by Frank Miller, except 300, which is an adaptation of Watchmen.
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Snyder hasn't told a joke in 20 years. When he attempted open mic at a comedy club, merely opening his mouth caused someone to shoot a dove in cold blood right in front of him, and he shrank away from the stage, vowing never to attempt humor again.
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When Snyder uses 2% of his power, Marvel Comics and the Marvel Cinematic Universe will be destroyed, inshallah.
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A straight live-action adaptation of one of Frank Miller's Batman stories directed by Snyder be pretty cool. He did Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns is often put in the same breath due to coming out at a similar time and also revolutionizing American comics.
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I kind of would like to see an adaptation of All-Star Batman and Robin if not for morbid curiosity of how played straight it would be
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I found their Youtube video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muTyXvOaSn0
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I like Zack Snyder movies.
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Grendels Dad posted:I like Zack Snyder movies. As someone who's battled with depression I appreciate his and Deb's charitable contributions to organizations related to suicide and raising awareness in general. It was terrible reading about his daughters struggle and I cant imagine the pain their family went through.
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Grendels Dad posted:I like Zack Snyder movies. But what if... I don't like Zack Snyder movies?
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:But what if... I don't like Zack Snyder movies? I acknowledge your statement and appreciate your peaceful manner of stating it. quote:As someone who's battled with depression I appreciate his and Deb's charitable contributions to organizations related to suicide and raising awareness in general. Yeah, same. I hadn't followed Snyder before but he always seemed like a fun and sweet guy, reading about his daughter's depression and suicide hit me kinda hard.
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Watching Man of Steel after being diagnosed with depression and emigrating 17k km away from my home was extremely emotional for me. Please gloss over the fact I'm relating to a literal alien god.
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Grendels Dad posted:I like Zack Snyder movies. Welcome
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hump day bitches! posted:Watching Man of Steel after being diagnosed with depression and emigrating 17k km away from my home was extremely emotional for me. Please gloss over the fact I'm relating to a literal alien god. That makes sense. Most Superman stories focus on how he is an AMERICAN immigrant. But Man of Steel casts him as an American IMMIGRANT.
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hump day bitches! posted:Watching Man of Steel after being diagnosed with depression and emigrating 17k km away from my home was extremely emotional for me. Please gloss over the fact I'm relating to a literal alien god. Clark is very relatable in that movie. It's why some people get mad about it.
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golden bubble posted:That makes sense. Most Superman stories focus on how he is an AMERICAN immigrant. But Man of Steel casts him as an American IMMIGRANT. Krypton is not sending us their best.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Clark is very relatable in that movie. It's why some people get mad about it. I often feel isolated and alone and I'm also loving jacked so this checks out.
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Alexander Hamilton posted:I often feel isolated and alone and I'm also loving jacked so this checks out. Love to lay face up in the ocean and watch families of whales swim over me, so that part really got to me.
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Guy A. Person posted:Love to lay face up in the ocean and watch families of whales swim over me, so that part really got to me. That is not even close to the relatable scene where Clark is standing on thousands of human skulls.
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Well yeah I mean who hasn't had the old "sinking into a sea of skulls" dream
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Dream? That's a typical Tuesday for me. Elliot Abrams, Marco Rubio, Donald Trump and John Bolton all provide the skulls.
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Guy A. Person posted:Well yeah I mean who hasn't had the old "sinking into a sea of skulls" dream Once they realized this wasn't common and/or relatable enough, at the end of the movie they decided to replace the skulls with human ash from an entirely incinerated city (that Clark caused) after discovering 9/11 survivors are the most relatable people in this country, and it provided for some beautiful cinematography. Mr. Snyder, you're a genius. I can't wait until you adapt Ayn Rand "novels."
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Feels like you've accidentally said something really weird about 9/11 survivors there, in your rush to poop on Zack "the Mack" Snyder.
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9/11 victims and survivors are very relatable to many Americans used as props by politicians who don't otherwise care about them. Also by the way I think they confirmed that Aquaman and those whales rescued Clark after the oil rig.
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josh04 posted:Feels like you've accidentally said something really weird about 9/11 survivors there, in your rush to poop on Zack "the Mack" Snyder. lmao Watch out, I might say 9/11 was a hoax next.
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Jimbot posted:Heat Vision can't melt steel beams. Bud, it's right in Man of Steel during the Zod fight. It can
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