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Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008

Mechafunkzilla posted:

Clark is very relatable in that movie. It's why some people get mad about it.

I often feel isolated and alone and I'm also loving jacked so this checks out.

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Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008

Cease to Hope posted:

I don't know what you mean by Clark working at a space base. There's no indication Clark works at the military base in the arctic: he's strolling around in -40 weather in nothing but a relatively light shirt that isn't even buttoned up. He isn't making the tiniest bit of effort to blend in, which is why Lois spots him immediately.

Just a quick note on this: Clark is the one unloading Lois's bags when she gets out of the helicopter, I believe.

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008

Cease to Hope posted:


This could easily be a punchy-punch fight where Faora and Nameless Large Guy realize that hurting the bystanders would hurt Clark and keep menacing them in ways he has to put himself at risk to thwart, but they never actually attack anyone but Superman and soldiers.

Isn't this the fight in Superman 2? The fact that Snyder had Superman fight the exact same villains in the same situation (a crowded civilian area) as a previous film but the fight goes very differently is pretty interesting.

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008

Mel Mudkiper posted:

As I said before, what I liked about Man of Steel is that there was no binary, and that Clark Kent and Superman were a cohesive identical whole and not two separate embodiments of different identities and values. I was so disappointed they abandoned that idea in the end and subsequent films

I like it in that it's consistent that when he's trying to be SUPERMAN he tends to fail but when he's Clark Kent in a superhero suit things tend to work out.

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008

Jimbot posted:

I could probably watch Justice League again but every time I think "maybe I'll check it out again so I can better pick it apart and develop my criticisms of it further" I also then think about the score and how utterly loving trash it was. That score actively makes watching that film painful. It's truly on a level of awful that I couldn't possibly imagine.

I imagined a trainwreck when Joss Whedon's involvement was announced but I had at least some silver of hope that Danny Elfman's score would at least be decent enough. Nope. He didn't even do his own loving Batman score well.

This is very true, it's genuinely distracting in how lovely it is and I don't notice scores that much when I'm watching films. Elfman usually isn't that bad, right? I don't know what the gently caress happened there.

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008
2006 was released at the height of the Iraq War and I feel like people should remember that and also maybe realize that America isn’t Sparta in the film.

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008

Cease to Hope posted:

It's worth looking at Frank Miller's justification for his comic about a thinly-veiled Batman expy killing Osama bin Laden, a story he was shopping around at DC as early as 2006. I don't think Snyder set out to make fascist propaganda but Miller definitely, definitely wanted to.

Yeah Miller is crazy, which is why it’s so cool that Snyder took 300 and turned it into a glorification of Al-Qaeda and then took Dark Knight Returns and made Batman the bad guy.

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008
What is the Slade image from?

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008

Julius CSAR posted:

I watched the 3 hour cut of BvS last night and it's still good.

I just adore the part where Bats is all "Do you bleed?" and Superman just looks at him like, "what in the gently caress is your deal, goddamn"

Then the smash cut to the hosed up Batmobile barely making it back to the cave. Kills me every time.

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008
Me running to watch a Zack Snyder-directed Badminton movie:

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008

Jose Oquendo posted:

Is the success of The Joker partially responsible for WB green lighting the Snyder cut and apparently the directors cut of Suicide Squad?

Did they figure out that letting a director do his thing can in fact sometimes result in financial and critical success?

They promoted Walter Hamada (he did a bunch of horror movies at New Line) to oversee DC Films after Justice League did so terribly. Their films haven't all hit at the box office but I think they've all been pretty good and without a bunch of drama so maybe that's why.

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008
I'm pretty sure the Theatrical Cut doesn't have Clark Kent dealing with deep moral quandaries by calling his mom so it's definitely inferior.

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008

Grendels Dad posted:

I actually watched it twice and might end up watching it a third time because it's got this quality of badness that makes you wonder, after a few months have passed, if what you watched really was that bad in the ways you remember.

This is very true, I’ve somehow watched Justice League 4 times because its shittiness is so unbelievable I have to confirm that it’s real. It’s like that old joke by Lewis Black about candy corn.

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008
I saw 300 with a former friend of mine who's now hardcore Trumpian and he seemed legitimately conflicted over how cool the action was and yet how gay it was so I think that made me like it more than I normally would have.

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008

Violator posted:

I see this A LOT with people saying Pa Kent told Clark to kill school children in Man of Steel. IIRC Maggie May made it one of her key points in her “Bad Daddies” video, where she finds MoS is toxic because of Clark’s two Randian father figures.

That reading, the literal interpretation of snippets of dialog without the full context of the scene, seemed to me to be a intentional misreading of it. Pa Kent being confused, unsure, scared, and worried for his son and Clark learning that he has to make his own difficult decisions seems pretty obvious to me but what do I know? Pa literally says “I don’t know!” in near exasperated tears.

The same thing happens when MARTHA tells Clark that he can either be the hero the people need him to be or not because he doesn't owe anyone anything. The key point that Clark doesn't need to do it but does it anyway because he's a good person is kind of lost among some people.

(It also happens in Man of Steel when Clark tells his mom that he found his people and she reacts by being scared and a little sad while trying to seem happy for him. It's a major thing in those movies that the Kents are good but flawed people just trying to do the best they can raising their son. It's one of the things I like most about them.)

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008
Superman learning to hone his powers by focusing on his mother's voice versus Zod learning by focusing on his clenched fist will forever be my favorite little bit of characterization in a movie.

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008
Zack Snyder is hilarious.

We all love Man of Steel in here, but what are things you feel don't quite work? I don't think the fight between Jor-El and Zod is great. I wish Zod had won and Jor-El had just tried to his best to hold on until Lara could send off the shuttle. Having Zod beaten by Jor-El kind of diminishes his menace during the rest of the movie. I feel like it was a Russell Crowe "I can't lose a fight" thing but I'm not sure.

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008

Almost Blue posted:

I totally get why, because you want your lead actor there for something like that, but for the scene where Jonathan dies they really should've had the younger Clark actor instead of Henry Cavill.

The only thing that makes me reconsider this is Aquaman, where the kid that reacts to finding out Arthur's mother was executed is a laughably bad.

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008

teagone posted:

Clark asking the question is fine imo. But Batman's response is bad there, yeah. Why would he think she's with him? It's stretch to believe Bruce's line of thinking is that maybe she's also Kryptonian, and I get it was meant to be a moment of levity but it doesn't work all that well. Maybe Bruce saying "I don't think she's with anyone." would've been better, I dunno, but that exchange could've use a few more rewrites for sure.

There's not really an explanation other than horny that Batman sees Superman and immediately decide that he needs killin' but he sees Wonder Woman and immediately tries to help her.

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Eh, BvS Batman is played up more than most as being a tragic momma's boy. To him, men are threats, women are vulnerable. Been noted by SMG, I think, as a contrast to the Nolan movies that mostly focus on Thomas Wayne.

That makes sense, thank you. I guess it's kind of funny that both Clark & Bruce are momma's boys.

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008
That guy is correct, Zack Snyder has never made a tv show.

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008

ruddiger posted:

"I'm equal opportunity, I want everyone to be naked."

:mmmhmm:

A bunch of people got mad because some of the Amazons were wearing bikinis in Justice League but Zeus was some ultra-jacked bearded dude in a tiny skirt and nobody said anything.

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008
There’s a horse at Superman’s funeral, I think.

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008

Blood Boils posted:

Then he turns to the audience and says "I've become like Joe Chill, the man who shot my parents, this is a bad thing to be"

And he shakes his head to show that he is sad

They just needed to go the Chris Nolan route and have a random fat cop go, “Now that is NOT good!” before slipping on a banana peel.

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008
The fact that Metropolis has a way better football and Gotham plays dirty is a great little detail.

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008
Aquaman’s dad seems cool.

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008
McConaughey in Reign of Fire didn’t make sense to me until I realized that’s how British people see all Americans.

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008

Burkion posted:

I love they never acknowledge that.

It's just one of the many contrasts between Bruce and Clark. Clark has a loving, sensual relationship with some one he adores and considers his equal.

Bruce, the only kind of relationship that's even HINTED at, is face down in his bed after a night of drinking and pill popping. Anonyms, discarded and forgotten.

I always thought there was something here with Clark being coded as a farmer while Bruce characterizes himself as a hunter. Clark tends to one relationship (even brings food to Lois) while Bruce pretty goes through a string of anonymous conquests.

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008
That shot of him floating while the woman reaches out to him is probably the coolest shot in comic book movie history. It could just be that for 90 minutes and I’d probably watch it.

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008
I’m pretty sure there’s a stunt test scene of Snyder’s vision for that part and it’s a thousand times better than what ended up in the movie.

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008

CelticPredator posted:

BvS ultimate to me is just all around more my speed and personal love with Zack as a filmmaker.

The shots are so much more his style. Man of Steel is shot way differently than any Snyder flick. It’s not inherently bad but it was one of the things that did disappoint me when I saw it.

I’m probably reading too much into it but I feel like you can see Nolan’s influence on Snyder in Man of Steel while BvS is very obviously all Zack Snyder.

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008
Very important: will the Snydercut still have Icky Thump play while Aquaman downs a bottle of Jack in front of a giant wave?

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

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Can someone translate this Zack Snyder Vero post, please?

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008

Space Fish posted:

Based on the sequence of events in the movie, I took it as Lex finding the means to bastardize a Kryptonian corpse for his own ends and stumbling across knowledge of Darkseid in the process. Zuck shared his address on a cosmic forum and doomed us all as a result. His ideal of knowledge equaling power came true and was inverted at the same time, with more knowledgeable beings revealing themselves as way more powerful than him, and Lex gifted with the knowledge of how helpless he is to do anything about it.

Lex also seems to connect with Steppenwolf/Darkseid like a son to a father (since his actual father was an all-powerful figure of death and pain to him), which kind of lines up with Clark meeting Jor-El on the ship in the first movie.

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008
I think (but could be wrong) that Snyder also storyboards everything in advance like Nolan does (I think Snyder may draw his own?). Plus they both have wives/partners who produce with them.

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008
I thought it was Deathstroke breaking Lex Luthor out of Arkham. Might make sense if The Joker escapes in the chaos.

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008

Blood Boils posted:

They need to add smiling scenes! He only smiled 3-4 times each in mos and bvs

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008

2house2fly posted:

I've seen clips of Josstice League and I keep getting the urge to watch the actual movie like prodding at a loose tooth. Like did they really have Henry Cavill's Superman say "yeah, I like truth... and I like justice" as like a one-liner? Surely not! Or Flash zooming around the batcave and being like "wow... it's a bat cave!!" The Zack Snyder movies have such a strong identity that those clips feel like Simpsons porn gifs or something

You should 100% watch it, especially if you love Man of Steel and BvS. I've watched it 3 times and have been fascinated each time. It's a ludicrous film.

Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008

Grendels Dad posted:

Yes and no. He is tied to the arc John Wick of Dogs mentions, but he is also basically a mid-level boss and gets a weird amount of focus for that. Like, he has a kick-rear end montage you'd expect for more major characters.

He basically gets his own little superhero origin story except it’s for a villain*, which is cool. Also, having a villain who is entirely, “gently caress that guy, I’m going to kill him!” is pretty fun.

*His dad wistfully passing along the sacred family knife to his son right after he’s used it to gut a submarine captain is hilarious.

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Alexander Hamilton
Dec 29, 2008

Darko posted:

The whole Superman fight starts with Superman trying to communicate with Batman; this is idiotic. I try to be super careful in my criticisms of things to not be errant about what is actually on screen, and this is all some of these people do, and they still can't do it. It's amazing.

I had a friend state that Superman taunts Batman the whole fight and then discovered he was talking about Superman’s, “If I wanted it, you’d be dead already.” I told him that’s a statement of fact, not a taunt. He’s never actually trying to kill Batman.

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