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RBA Starblade posted:That seems like it sucks a lot I love the show but dang that scene might have been the nadir of the series.
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porfiria posted:I still don't understand why people hate Zack Snyder so bad. His takes on Batman and Superman aren't zanier or more idiosyncratic than Burton or Donner. Is the Internet critic stuff specifically all 300 fallout? The hate definitely seemed to morph into what it is today after Man of Steel came out and plenty of people started saying how that's not their Superman. Hell the main beef I remember people having with Watchmen wasn't that it was Synder at the wheel, it's that they felt it was impossible to make a movie out of the comic.
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May 19, 2020 12:25
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teagone posted:I can't wait to see all the haters who have been endlessly/pointlessly gatekeeping the Snyder Cut go absolutely nuclear, lmao. They're already whining about how it's catering to THE CHUDS. Chuds. Chuds!!!
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May 20, 2020 19:29
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Hypocrisy posted:I'm still a little stunned that not only is this happening but it's getting a budget. I guess there's one benefit to there being all these streaming services desperate for content. Yea it getting actual money to finish it all up is the most surprising thing out of all of this. I believed that the cut would make its way out to the public eventually in some form but not like this. Even what they had available would have been interesting enough to see so that's a great bonus.
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Roth posted:I don't understand how anyone can not be excited for this either expecting a good movie or a dumpster fire. Whatever the result is I'm gonna be excited because it'll succeed or fail on its own terms instead of being a hatchet job.
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May 20, 2020 23:15
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Martman posted:I love that early take that "see, this doesn't count 'cause they'll get to use feedback from the one that was released!!" As if it's cheating to use the lesson that they shouldn't make the movie complete garbage. I think a good metric to use is that they're spending the budget of two Game of Thrones episodes on it. When you think about it that way that's some great value!
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May 21, 2020 00:06
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Ghosthotel posted:The focus on Snyder fans being the secret chuds who hate women or whatever feels like how the media focused really hard on Bernie Sanders supporters being especially toxic when you could find just as toxic people or worse from every other campaign. Finding ways to insult a fanbase and disguising it as criticism of the thing itself is always the move of someone full of hot air.
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May 21, 2020 01:07
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Jimbot posted:Sup my fellow Lefties who understand the power of words and phrasing. Genuinely wondering how folks like these would act if something like the Blade Runner director's cut happened today. At any rate those tweets sure give off the vibe of someone who'd complain about the evil berniebros!
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May 21, 2020 15:03
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Jimbot posted:People hate Zack Snyder so much they're going to bat for a predator. Should make a tweet saying "If you write about the Snyder Cut, and neglect to mention liberals going to bat for major corporations, rich directors and executives, and so many "regular folks" (who call the fandom stupid/cultists) because of the fandom of a few movies and a divisive director it'd be a disservice to your readers." It is definitely really wild how a lot of people are now extremely concerned about where the chump change (by blockbuster standards ofc) of $20-30 million is going.
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May 21, 2020 19:59
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Guy A. Person posted:I've been wrestling with Alexander (the good one, not the dumb one) bringing that up and I think I'm fine with it because hey, if this is a moment in time where fans are demanding things and creators are being rewarded, she might as well throw her hat into the ring as someone who deserves the chance to make more good rear end movies. Yeah absolutely. Were it a question of funding 4 indie movies vs finishing the Snyder cut I'd totally get where they were coming from, but unfortunately if they weren't spending it on the Snyder cut it'd be allocated to some other blockbuster project instead. SuperMechagodzilla posted:As a reminder, the Whedon Cut cost approximately $25 million. Haha, incredible.
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Yea to be honest if it's a community where folks can't believe that someone genuinely likes a particular director/movie, that they must be a contrarian because they can't even perceive of someone liking it? It's not a community worth being a part of.
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May 23, 2020 15:03
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I don't think Disney pays anyone off or anything but there was that poo poo a few years back about Disney banning critics from advance screenings if they gave a negative review to one of their movies and that sure sucked! Also the toxic fandom stuff wrt Snyder movies is always a completely wild assertion to me because it implies that there exists a fandom somewhere that doesn't have toxic elements? Kinda seems impossible to me!
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Jun 3, 2020 13:41
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josh04 posted:Did some light editing and posted it. I'll ping it on twitter and see if I get anything back. Godspeed. I hope you get a response but I don't think they're the type to do so. That said, I enjoyed reading it!
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:Isn't Save the Cat one of those prescriptive writing books that promises the One, True Way To Writing A Good Story, but all it really generates is cookie-cutter, interchangeable plots? I mean, I'm not going to watch the video but seeing it mentioned in the video description and the comments makes me assume that Fish will point to it a whole bunch as evidence that Zack Snyder is Doing It Wrong? You are spot on with the book. I've read it and the author (whose scripts that got greenlighted have resulted in absolutely garbage movies) can't comprehend a successful movie that doesn't follow his formula; he has an axe to grind with Memento and insists that actually it was not a successful movie because it didn't gross as much as Legally Blonde. Instead of admitting that maybe a movie could be a hit without following his formula he chooses to deny reality.
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Since I brought up the Memento stuff in the book I felt like I might as well share the sections where he mentioned Memento just so people who haven't read it can truly appreciate this strange grudge.quote:So now that I’ve laid out these 15 beats for you, and used examples like What’s Up, Doc?, I’m sure all you hip, young screenwriting whipper-snappers are saying, yeah, right old man. Maybe this applied in your day, but we don’t need it anymore. We eschew the need to “like” a hero (we dig Lara Croft!!!) and those boring old story beats are passé. Who needs ’em? What about Memento!! Have I grasped the basic gestalt of your objection? quote:For extra credit, look at Memento. Yes, it’s an entertaining movie; yes, it even falls into the category of genre “Dude with a Problem.” Does it also match the beats of the BS2? Or is it just a gimmick that cannot be applied to any other movie? HINT: For all the hullabaloo surrounding Memento, guess how much it made? Honestly in digging up these sections I also forgot how he used Lara Croft as an example of an "unlikable" protagonist and that's why you should never write one. lmao.
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Brother Entropy posted:ah, now that i'm actually exposed to passages from this book it's incredibly obvious why a youtube movie essay person would think it's something worth invoking, it's where they all got their writing style from Dang, I didn't think of it that way but you're absolutely right haha. And to wrap it all the way back to Man of Steel, I think the passage about why he specifically hates Lara Croft as a protagonist sure would explain why someone who's really into that particular thought process would hate its portrayal of Superman. quote:Take a hip, slick movie like Lara Croft 2 for example. They spent a fortune on that film. And everyone is still wondering what happened. They can’t figure out why they didn’t bring in the audience of targeted men. It’s not surprising to me. What’s wrong with this picture? Where did the filmmakers go awry? To me it’s really very simple: I don’t like the Lara Croft character. Why would I? She’s cold and humorless. And while that’s fine in the solitary world of video games and comics, it doesn’t make me want to leave my home to go see the movie. The people who produced this film think they can get you to like her by making her “cool.” This is what amounts to “character development” in au currant movies: “She drives a cool car.” That’s someone’s idea of how to create a winning hero. The idea that it is inherently bad for a protagonist to be "cold and humorless" sure is something (and also his example of a likeable protagonist is, uh, well I haven't seen that movie in question but based on that description what the gently caress).
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lessthankyle posted:Anecdotally, The Fountainhead also seems to be pretty popular with some of the artists I know, they couldn't care less about Rand, but the point of the story obviously strikes a chord with them. Heck, when it comes to some famous artists it's known that Spielberg likes the film version of The Fountainhead, and Oliver Stone has wanted to make an adaption of it for a long time now. But for some strange reason nobody calls either of them objectivists!
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Burkion posted:I didn't even know It's easy to not know they exist since they were Crackle original movies.
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Lex is such a petty guy that it would absolutely be real piss. The only question is whether or not it's his own piss.
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Necrothatcher posted:I'm sure the executives are simply distraught that a movie they greenlit and released is doing well. Truly the worst-case scenario for a movie studio. Executives can be some of the pettiest motherfuckers alive so I can believe it, especially since there's a lot about the story behind the Snydercut that paints a lot of them in a bad light.
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Lt. Danger posted:I believe Babylon 5 also had problems over the years with regard to rights and further development in part because one of the execs at Warner Bros had it out for the show, for whatever that is worth Something I think about a lot is how there are countless examples of a new executive being put in charge that will then kill off a lot of profitable stuff (unless it is incredibly profitable) just because it was approved by the previous guy. Whole lot of corporate dick-waving.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Eh...you can convert almost wholesale and make it good. The only change I would make is to change the heroes that Doomsday curbstomps before running into Superman from c listers to big name heroes like Wonder Woman. They actually more or less did that with the second time they animated that story for their animated movie universe stuff. It keeps a lot of good stuff from the basic structure of the story without being boggled down in a lot of pointless 90s comic continuity.
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I've posted excerpts before in this thread but Save the Cat is a v epic bookquote:Take a hip, slick movie like Lara Croft 2 for example. They spent a fortune on that film. And everyone is still wondering what happened. They can’t figure out why they didn’t bring in the audience of targeted men. It’s not surprising to me. What’s wrong with this picture? Where did the filmmakers go awry? To me it’s really very simple: I don’t like the Lara Croft character. Why would I? She’s cold and humorless. And while that’s fine in the solitary world of video games and comics, it doesn’t make me want to leave my home to go see the movie. The people who produced this film think they can get you to like her by making her “cool.” This is what amounts to “character development” in au currant movies: “She drives a cool car.” That’s someone’s idea of how to create a winning hero.
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Also the bizarre Memento grudge:quote:So now that I’ve laid out these 15 beats for you, and used examples like What’s Up, Doc?, I’m sure all you hip, young screenwriting whipper-snappers are saying, yeah, right old man. Maybe this applied in your day, but we don’t need it anymore. We eschew the need to “like” a hero (we dig Lara Croft!!!) and those boring old story beats are passé. Who needs ’em? What about Memento!! Have I grasped the basic gestalt of your objection? quote:For extra credit, look at Memento. Yes, it’s an entertaining movie; yes, it even falls into the category of genre “Dude with a Problem.” Does it also match the beats of the BS2? Or is it just a gimmick that cannot be applied to any other movie? HINT: For all the hullabaloo surrounding Memento, guess how much it made?
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I missed this the first time around but Save The Cat is absolutely worth a read, it's even dumber than Youtube poo poo if you can believe it. I think my favorite part (besides his grudge against Memento for being a successful movie despite not fitting his formula) is that he keeps bragging about how many scripts he has sold, and that he even sold a script to Spielberg! Sure, Spielberg never made a movie out of his script. And as for the rest only two movies based on his scripts were ever made. But he sold *so* many scripts!
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DrVenkman posted:The worst thing the Plinkett reviews did (and it's not just them) is embolden a lot of people to think they know a lot more about criticism than they do because they can point out what a character arc is. Or how conversations are traditionally shot. So now Twitter and Reddit and YouTube has a deluge of people repeating things they never really understood to begin with. SHOT REVERSE SHOT
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There's a lot of dumb things about that article but a minor detail that seems real odd to me is that they specifically pointed out that the owner of a Snyder fansite is Chinese.
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