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YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

I think the quote about being self aware without being self-hating gets at the heart of why a lot of his critics can’t stand him. All of his movies are interrogations of some part of Zack that makes him uncomfortable. He is a dude that loves toned bodies and the aesthetics of violence and the female form and he works in the heart of the consumerist empire, and he knows that poo poo is all problematic.

He puts that discomfort into his movies and asks his audience to examine their own contradictory impulses. But he doesn’t hate himself, he doesn’t ask his audience to hate themselves, and his movies aren’t sermons or apologies. He’s knows his interests and desires are unhealthy, but he’s not tortured by it. And, worse, he’s making other people uncomfortable about their own conflicting desires and impulses, he’s not offering them any easy answers, and he doesn’t even have the decency to be distraught about it. He’s mostly seems happy and comfortable with himself, which is unforgivable.

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YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

teagone posted:

Surprise, surprise! That's from an article written for The Verge by Julia Alexander lol. Source here: https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/20/21263044/justice-league-snyder-cut-warnermedia-hbo-max-zack-ben-affleck-henry-cavill-gal-gaot-streaming

“Some people are being mean on the internet” is the laziest, stupidest article premise imaginable so of course there are billion of them written every day by lazy stupid hacks.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Terror Sweat posted:

Theatre acting is bigger than film and tv, it loses something when actors have less to work with. This isn’t very controversial. Ian mckellen straight up broke down into tears on a green screen set

His issue with the Hobbit was that he was filmed alone for most of his scenes, not that the movie had CGI backgrounds:

quote:

McKellen's particular problems arise because his character, Gandalf the Grey, is supposed to tower over most of the other, shorter characters, both Hobbit and dwarf. To create the false perspective, he had to be filmed separately, on a greenscreen set, and the backgrounds and other characters added later in the editing suite.

“It was so distressing and off-putting and difficult that I thought 'I don't want to make this film if this is what I'm going to have to do'," McKellen added. "It's not what I do for a living. I act with other people, I don't act on my own."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/film/2013/nov/20/the-hobbit-gandalf-ian-mckellen-almost-quit-acting

It’s surely a less pleasant experience to film a bunch of scenes alone in a sound stage vs hanging out in New Zealand for a year, but that‘s not really the same thing as “green screens make actors bad at their job.”

YOLOsubmarine fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Sep 2, 2020

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

McCloud posted:

And it's not like there's an actual leftist to vote for.

Ray Fischer is a bernie bro and he's encouraging folks to vote for Joe too

There are leftists to vote for in most states despite the concerted effort of the Democratic Party to keep anyone left of Biden off the ballot.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

McCloud posted:

I meant as presidential candidate

La Riva or Hawkins or both are on the ballot in most states. Just because America has been completely coopted by the party of rich white people and the multicultural rich people party doesn’t mean you have to vote for one of the two ghouls.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

RBA Starblade posted:

Not here in Virginia

Yea, that’s why I said most. Covid has made signature gathering to get on the ballot very difficult and Dems have been more than willing to burn money on lawsuits to ensure that no one to left of them makes it on the ballot in any state where they can manage it.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

McCloud posted:

I don't really count wasting the vote on a 3rd party candidate as a feasible alternative, sorry

The statement was that there weren’t any leftists on the ballot which is not true.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

McCloud posted:

I saw someone saying something along the lines of "white people love Snyder", and I'm like, half the Snyder fans i interact with are poc, women, queer or a combination of the above

A bunch of people also said Bernie supporters were all white men despite him having by far the best numbers in the primary among Latino and Muslim communities that were largely people of color, and having very good support amongst young women. Meanwhile Biden are poo poo across every demographic except suburban whites but they want to pretend he was incredibly popular with minority voters.

Basically they view politics and personal taste as identical which isn’t surprising given that for most of them politics is also purely superficial and performative, just like tweeting about cartoon movies.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Jimbot posted:

To be fair, I'd compare him more to Cheney than to Trump because his rhetoric is more in line with Bush administration's "War on terror" than it is Trump's general and targeted xenophobia. But I excuse that sort of thing since most folks making these youtube videos theses days weren't old enough to understand that poo poo or its implications back then. I was barely old enough but I was a stupid teenager who didn't care about politics.

He’s one hundred percent Cheney, down to stating the Cheney doctrine word for word.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

I don’t think 300 is satire in the same way that Starship Troopers is satire but that doesn’t mean it’s sincere either. It’s best viewed as an exercise in exploring the nature and efficacy of propaganda and modern notions of heriosm that are inextricably linked with military worship, especially in the west.

Basically it asks “what does it take to make us root for a eugenicist military dictatorship against the forces of multiculturalism?” and the answer, for a lot of people, is “make them extremely buff and good at killing.”

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

BigglesSWE posted:

Hate to break it to you, but the movie is not that old.

I personally don’t think 300 is a work of satire, since that’s giving it credit it does not deserve. In my mind, it’s a shallow visual spectacle that obsesses over certain details from the graphic novel without stopping and thinking why it does. So, much like Snyder’s work in general.

All the best film analysis happens by assuming the director is a moron and what occurs on screen was the result of an accident.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

CelticPredator posted:

They don’t like Zack Snyder. They’re not going to like Zack Snyder. They’re just people.

Not like Snyder is fine. Stating that viewers can’t find meaning in a movie that the director did not intentionally and explicitly put there is inane.

Even if Zack Snyder is the dumbest and most superficial man alive that doesn’t mean you can’t possibly find meaning in his movies.

YOLOsubmarine fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Jan 3, 2021

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

The Fountainhead isn’t a good book, but it’s not particularly steeped in objectivism. You could read the whole thing and never come away with any real sense of an underlying political philosophy because it’s very focused on the artistic creation and the tension between creative purity and commercial success, and the loss of control of the artist over their creation.

Can’t imagine why Zack Snyder would find that an interesting topic to mine.

If he ever says he wants to adapt Atlas Shrugged then he’s most definitely an Objectivist because that poo poo is wall to wall libertarian porn for 1000 pages and there is absolutely nothing else going on in it.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

Liberal consensus for the past decade and a half has been "if you do not think every single leader America declares an Official Enemy should be removed by force, you're anti-American and a terrorist sympathizer", so it's all a moot point. Even the people who consider themselves "progressive" do not hesitate to get behind sanctions and coups and stuff based on rumors and paper thin evidence.

Look, just because the intelligence community and military got together and concocted a massive fairy tale to justify invading Iraq and staying there for twenty years, and every major media outlet breathlessly repeated the lies and went out of their way to silence dissenting voices, that doesn’t mean that they would lie about about Cuba using brain scrambling energy rays on diplomats.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Julius CSAR posted:

Yeah it seems like no one could ever really figure anything out beyond “some was real some was probably psychosomatic” but a lot of the symptoms remind me of the times the jets I worked on would accidentally radiate (RF not radioactive) me with the ECM gear.

How did we even get on this tangent lol

Initially it was blamed on a sonic attack, which was later determined to be crickets.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Snowman_McK posted:

I know some of that. I've started doing squats while holding a slam ball to engage my core in various ways. I will however ignore your advice about pull ups because i loving hate them and i'm really bad at them and always have been.

Buy some assistance bands and work your way up to doing pull-ups. Inverted rows are also a good substitute until you can do the real thing, or if you don’t have a pull up bar, and you can do them with l towels and a door in a pinch.

Or, if you want to get Snyder movie jacked, squat, deadlift and overhead press heavy stuff.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

I built a garage gym when we bought our house in August and it’s been a godsend. Before that I was making due with a weight vest, a rower, some rings, a plus box, and some kettlebells. That wasn’t bad and kept me in shape, but I’m glad to have access to a barbell and squat rack again

I also have a TV in there so I can watch fascist Zack Snyder movies while I practice body fascism.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Grandpa Palpatine posted:

lol at completely changing the scale of Kong so that they could make this shithole movie

what’s the correct scale for a giant mutant ape?

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

CelticPredator posted:

That’s really what it boils down too. I was just talking to a buddy who says he likes math because math has an correct answer. Art does not. He said the thing above that he likes objectively over subjective things. It makes sense in his brain.

Dude is really selling both math and art short there.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Snowman_McK posted:

If you've got sharp eyes, you'll notice someone who was part of the Rock's team in Fast Five (he's the guy who gets a grappling hook through the leg) along with real life Eddie Gordo, Lateef Crowder (who did play Eddie Gordo in the Tekken movie that, understandably, no one watched, because it was terrible.

It’s fun seeing Lateef pop up in things because I first saw him like 20 years ago in Zero Gravity shorts that were just a bunch of dudes who liked Kung Fu trying to figure out how to be stuntmen.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

RBA Starblade posted:

At that point you might as well go the distance and make it literally a documentary on the making of the Justice League

“Zack Snyder” posted:

Zack Snyder has insisted he would incinerate his long-awaited Justice League cut before using any of Joss Whedon’s footage.

“I would destroy the movie,” the director told the fan-organised Justice-Con panel when asked about using them. “I would set it on fire before I use a single frame that I did not photograph. I would literally blow that loving thing up.”

This is literally the plot of the Fountainhead, so good call.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

RBA Starblade posted:

I'm Zack Snyder

ama

What’s your max squat?

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Yes, all of that is true, but have you considered that Chris Reeves smiles and that they are in color?

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Even if we grant that the image is meant to evoke napalm bombing a BLM protest why is that bad? What statement might the movie be making with that imagery?

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Blue Raider posted:

Unlike 99% of the Internet, I’ve read both The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged, and they are indeed pretty crap, both in the philosophical and boring sense. And jfc are they boring. However, there’s a little more depth to The Fountainhead with its focus on the sanctity of artistic vision, and I definitely see how it appeals to so many creative types. It’s not hard to draw a line between its thesis and what happened between Snyder and DC back in 2017 or whenever.

E: and yeah, he’s right to table the idea. It’d be chewed up rightly or wrongly.

Yea, the Fountainhead is a garbage book but the basic plot can be completely divorced of Objectivism and still make sense, as a thesis on how much ownership an artist has over their commercial art. Unlike Atlas, which is an objectivist novel down to it’s bones and could never be about anything else.

That said, I think the most obvious explanation is that Zack just has lovely taste in books.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

bushisms.txt posted:

What is everyone's most probable nuclear take?

"Cyborg something something obamaphones" feels ridiculous, but i think super brain Armond White might go beyond it.

I’m sure there will be some very stupid takes but White loved both MoS and BvS so I doubt that particular brand of hot take will come from him.

quote:

In this age of petty Marvels, most comic-book movies merely perpetrate fantasies of power, but Snyder, enacting his personal aesthetic, braves a film that examines those fantasies.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

White is lovely as hell, I just don’t expect him to have anywhere near the stupidest political hot takes about this movie.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

In the era of binge watching entire 10 hour seasons of shows as soon as the drop the complaints about the movie being too long at 4 hours seems particularly silly.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Ready to celebrate some celebrate some grimdark, misogynistic, objectivist, fascist, problematic, sexy violence in my personal SnyderDome.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Jimbot posted:

I can't even with that paint job. What on earth.

Ran out of paint and the ceiling is super loving high at the peak and I didn’t feel like putting in the effort to finish it for a place that only exists to get sweaty and disgusting .

Alexander Hamilton posted:

No tires or sledgehammers, 0/10

Not trying to kill God, our moms might have the same name.

YOLOsubmarine fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Mar 17, 2021

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

hump day bitches! posted:

I’m glad I’m not the only broke brained enough that got inspired to workout harder by Batman CrossFit. My lack of a finished garage makes the dream of a power cage difficult tho.

The takes about how Snyder put the Amazons in skimpy outfits because he’s a sexist have always been particularly funny because, drat, have you seen how he films men?! If you judged purely by how lovingly he films bodies you’d assume he’s gay as hell.

But yea, watching Bruce Wayne train to murder god is great inspiration to push out a few more reps.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

KVeezy3 posted:

drat nice set-up. I didn't even know those kind of barbells existed!

Thank you! We bought a house in August of last year and getting a real gym set up was my first item on the agenda. That’s a safety squat bar. I’ve got a regular 20kg barbell for most things but I like the SSB for squats since it takes strain off your shoulders and keeps you more upright.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

CelticPredator posted:

Lol no. It’s a symptom

Yea, I got to that part and was like “my man, the calls are coming from inside the house.”

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Just imagine how much money a Coca Cola movie would make! Such amazing brand recognition!

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."


SMG is a treasure

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

McCloud posted:

Zack lifting weights.

You're welcome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TnqYmaxAdw

The smith machine bench press with legs up is triggering me

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Chairman Capone posted:

I remember at the time when Batman Begins came out, there was a degree of outrage over Batman's "I not going to kill you, but I don't have to save you either" ending for Ras Al Ghul, but nothing to the degree there was over Man of Steel, and I feel like even by the time Dark Knight came out it had gone away.

Begins also has Batman drop a dude off a multi-story building, horribly crippling him, as punishment. That’s far more grotesque than Superman killing a guy he is engaged in a mortal struggle with.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

I think the main problem is that the person saying that is incredibly stupid and has no idea how to define objectivism other than “having a personal moral code.”

By his criteria John Brown was an objectivist.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

quote:

Rorschach maintains his convictions and ideals despite the law and conventional morality being vehemently not on his side

This describes the leaders of and participants in every emancipation movement in history.

quote:

Superman desires to help people and is torn down for it

Wow, much objectivism, a person attempting to do good things having enemies…

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YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Guy who keeps showing up *help* people that don’t want it is the plot of Civil War and Captain America takes the explicit stance that he will help whoever the gently caress he wants and is beholden to nobody but his own conscience.

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