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RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




I found another Villainess reincarnation manga. It's super short, just ended at 7 chapters.

I Became a Villainess

I can't wait for the villainess genre to start branching out more. The ones I've been finding are weirdly homogenous for how many of them bring magic into the mix. I wanna see someone come back and turn into an elf or demon or something. Really throw everyone for a loop.

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Jackard
Oct 28, 2007

We Have A Bow And We Wish To Use It
Dammit now I want to see that too.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Jackard posted:

Dammit now I want to see that too.

Every isekai and otherworld thing I read I judge against Final Fantasy Tactics Advance.

Does it have tons of different races aside from humans? No? Does it at least have demons? Still no? Alright, I know what I'm in for largely.

Fellis
Feb 14, 2012

Kid, don't threaten me. There are worse things than death, and uh, I can do all of them.

RareAcumen posted:

Every isekai and otherworld thing I read I judge against Final Fantasy Tactics Advance.

Does it have tons of different races aside from humans? No? Does it at least have demons? Still no? Alright, I know what I'm in for largely.

Does it have a MC with tenuous motivation and is arguably the villian? Well it's isekai so that's like a free space

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.

RareAcumen posted:

I can't wait for the villainess genre to start branching out more. The ones I've been finding are weirdly homogenous for how many of them bring magic into the mix. I wanna see someone come back and turn into an elf or demon or something. Really throw everyone for a loop.

I think that's mostly intentional to be honest. They're all structured as parodies of the exact same thing (which was never actually as formalized as they portray, but still). The familiarity of the premise is part of the point, and the "twist" comes after that rather than before it. It's like... a knock-knock joke, or a limerick. If it didn't follow the exact same structure then it wouldn't even be the same genre anymore.

Also, in case you haven't noticed, "villainess" is now a tag on mangadex so you can just search for all the villainess manga at once.

For the record I tend to find that the Korean variants are less married to formalism.

Clarste fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Sep 21, 2020

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
im just glad that the state of villainess reincarnation/reversal/isekai is in a healthy spot where authors feel free to play with their own ideas, rather than one author trying to monopolize the genre and throwing out dmcas

why yes ive just heard of the omegaverse

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Fellis posted:

Does it have a MC with tenuous motivation and is arguably the villian? Well it's isekai so that's like a free space

Marche is a weirdly advanced kid for knowing that not actually confronting your problems in the real world being a useless endeavor at like what, 13? 14? But I'm still not sold on him being the villain because of that.


Clarste posted:

I think that's mostly intentional to be honest. They're all structured as parodies of the exact same thing (which was never actually as formalized as they portray, but still). The familiarity of the premise is part of the point, and the "twist" comes after that rather than before it. It's like... a knock-knock joke, or a limerick. If it didn't follow the exact same structure then it wouldn't even be the same genre anymore.

Also, in case you haven't noticed, "villainess" is now a tag on mangadex so you can just search for all the villainess manga at once.

For the record I tend to find that the Korean variants are less married to formalism.

Yeah, I just cant help wanting more that to off in strange directions like Villainess Reverses the Hourglass or Beware the Villainess or Villainess lvl 99 have. Reincarnated stuff is going well for now, we've got sword, spider, Dragon egg, vending machine, hot spring, slime, etc.

And someone around here mentioned that Villainess is a genre that mangadex recognizes in here beforehand so I already knew about that but thanks for the reminder.

gwrtheyrn
Oct 21, 2010

AYYYE DEEEEE DUBBALYOO DA-NYAAAAAH!
https://mangadex.org/title/45491/reiko-s-style-despite-being-mistaken-for-a-rich-villainess-she-s-actually-just-penniless

Where the MC is the villainess in an otome game. Except she isn't and it's not an otome game but someone else thinks it is

Nalin
Sep 29, 2007

Hair Elf

gwrtheyrn posted:

https://mangadex.org/title/45491/reiko-s-style-despite-being-mistaken-for-a-rich-villainess-she-s-actually-just-penniless

Where the MC is the villainess in an otome game. Except she isn't and it's not an otome game but someone else thinks it is

I'm leaning toward that it is in fact an otome game, but somebody altered the flow of history decades prior. It is entirely possible that if the MC's family didn't go bankrupt, she would have grown up affluent and completely influenced by the grandmother; however, because she was dirt poor, the influence never really took hold. She was too grounded in reality.

Nalin fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Sep 21, 2020

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
Hourglass is good because they make no bones that the MC is mean as gently caress, none of the justifications for cruelty that you find in shounen/seinen stories*, no fantasy that we could make everybody happy, no, this is a straight up competition for wealth and resources.





*Alright there is a bit of that, but the MC acknowledges that getting manipulated into her past life's situation was as much her own failings as the manipulations by her rival, and besides, her enemy is currently a dumbass kid that is growing into a threat.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.

Nalin posted:

I'm leaning toward that it is in fact an otome game, but somebody altered the flow of history decades prior. It is entirely possible that if the MC's family didn't go bankrupt, she would have grown up affluent and completely influenced by the grandmother; however, because she was dirt poor, the influence never really took hold. She was too grounded in reality.

I wouldn't say she's grounded in reality. If anything she's a weirdly perfect saint who knows nothing of the modern world.

Clarste fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Sep 21, 2020

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
it's a grotesquely idealized depiction of poverty.

Fereydun
May 9, 2008

hello yes i would like to submit 2 that i have been reading about tuff ladies/empresses which are still quite early into their runs i guess

i've become the villainous empress of a novel
in which our hero gets jammed into the world of a romance novel she read through the body of the empress who slowly went nuts and became a tyrant 3 days before she gets killed by violent revolution.

the lady and the beast
in which our hero is the warrior-king founding empress of a nation reborn much later into her empire's rule as a plain ol noble and is forced to marry a guy who turned into a literal wolf.

both of these take more of a dramatic slant than a comedy slant but they're sure appealin' to me. both in how the chars are strong as heck in an in-world sense and how much they are able to drive the story with their actions

the lady and the beast's protag is weirdly unconventional in the sense that in that it never really addresses that she's like a 50+ year long ruling warrior-queen doin' the whole reborn thing, just that she's 'mature beyond her years'

Fereydun fucked around with this message at 08:20 on Sep 21, 2020

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
yikes in the latter one the lady actually tries to gently caress the wolf (to get pregnant and fulfill a contract), except she had just beaten him into submission and he was not erect. that's the only reason why it didn't happen.

Argue
Sep 29, 2005

I represent the Philippines
Beware the Villainess has such a generic title that I somehow missed this one entirely, assuming that I'd already read it before. Turns out I haven't, and it's easily the most readable one that isn't Bakarina!

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Oct 25, 2007

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Argue posted:

Beware the Villainess has such a generic title that I somehow missed this one entirely, assuming that I'd already read it before. Turns out I haven't, and it's easily the most readable one that isn't Bakarina!

I feel like she’s somehow even more oblivious than Bakarina, tho, given how completely unsubtle her two love interests are

Elfface
Nov 14, 2010

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"They can't be love interests in this world, they're not terrible."

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Villainess reincarnation but it's an out of body experience as you come back as your little sister.

Added drama can be sprinkled in throughout the story

'Was I such a piece of poo poo that I never noticed I had a sister last time?'

'Am I even real or more like a guardian angel?'

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

Phobophilia posted:

Hourglass is good because they make no bones that the MC is mean as gently caress, none of the justifications for cruelty that you find in shounen/seinen stories*, no fantasy that we could make everybody happy, no, this is a straight up competition for wealth and resources.

*Alright there is a bit of that, but the MC acknowledges that getting manipulated into her past life's situation was as much her own failings as the manipulations by her rival, and besides, her enemy is currently a dumbass kid that is growing into a threat.

I second the recommendation for The Villainess Reverses the Hourglass. It helps that while Aria is mean, there's a good reason for that. She grew up dirt-poor and starving, and then was taken into the Roscente household where absolutely no one bothered to give her a chance and always looked down on her. Of course she's going to be bitter and cynical about everything. Despite it all, Aria doesn't cross the line into being a smug sociopathic rear end in a top hat that you see in a lot of garbage "getting revenge" isekai stories.

What the story does really well is respect Aria's agency as well as avoid tired cliches from other "X person goes back in time" stories. Acquiring allies and resources is a slow uphill struggle, but it's always Aria driving the plot forward. It thankfully doesn't do that thing where the time traveler fixes all of her problems by hooking up with a hot and politically-powerful guy. In fact, the crown prince doesn't have much political clout since the aristocratic function holds all the power, so he's the one who ends up relying on Aria. It also avoids that other cliche where the main character gets all their wealth by opening up a perfume or clothing shop. Aria started her fortune by stockpiling sugar since she knows there'll be a shortage soon and then selling it to the aristocratic function for an absurd amount. Aria being shrewd and calculating is definitely the best part of the story.

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Oct 31, 2012

gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

yikes in the latter one the lady actually tries to gently caress the wolf (to get pregnant and fulfill a contract), except she had just beaten him into submission and he was not erect. that's the only reason why it didn't happen.

Not going to lie, I laughed for a couple minutes at this page.

Have this Duke strung up and check the contents of his library. This man is too calm when suggesting bestiality and sending people to their death.

SystemLogoff
Feb 19, 2011

End Session?

amigolupus posted:

I second the recommendation for The Villainess Reverses the Hourglass. It helps that while Aria is mean, there's a good reason for that. She grew up dirt-poor and starving, and then was taken into the Roscente household where absolutely no one bothered to give her a chance and always looked down on her. Of course she's going to be bitter and cynical about everything. Despite it all, Aria doesn't cross the line into being a smug sociopathic rear end in a top hat that you see in a lot of garbage "getting revenge" isekai stories.

I just openly swore when a had caught up.

I enjoy how this started off feeling like a count revenge story, but has slowly turned into a character discovering self worth.

Jackard
Oct 28, 2007

We Have A Bow And We Wish To Use It

RareAcumen posted:

Villainess reincarnation but it's an out of body experience as you come back as your little sister.
Seems like a futile effort, since your little sister never saved you last time, and saving your former self creates a paradox where you never become your current self.

Jackard fucked around with this message at 12:28 on Sep 22, 2020

Fereydun
May 9, 2008

gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

yikes in the latter one the lady actually tries to gently caress the wolf (to get pregnant and fulfill a contract), except she had just beaten him into submission and he was not erect. that's the only reason why it didn't happen.

VictualSquid
Feb 29, 2012

Gently enveloping the target with indiscriminate love.
That beast story manages to trigger the warning signs for "this will be creepy in bad way" and the warning signs for "this will be strange in a good way" in equal loudness. Another one that manges that is https://mangadex.org/title/46856/the-careful-empress
Though after reading it the most likely possibility is the story never getting anywhere before the updates end.

My current villainess recs are:
https://mangadex.org/title/47286/beware-of-the-villainess
https://mangadex.org/title/45833/the-villainess-reverses-the-hourglass
https://mangadex.org/title/46790/the-stereotypical-life-of-a-reincarnated-lady

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

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The beast story for me has basically become “well, this is clearly going somewhere dumb and possibly very bad, but you’ve committed to it and I want to see where you go”

Guyver
Dec 5, 2006

It's pretty clear where it's going. She'll fight with the lower nobles about control, undo the curse probably from the first prince's ghost or something maybe her mother's then as she gets to know Wolf Duke will have to choose between him and Totally Not the Prince in Disguise.

She's going to end up as Empress again.

thetoughestbean
Apr 27, 2013

Keep On Shroomin
The wholesome isekai thread: so a lady tries to gently caress a wolf...

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Oct 31, 2012

Mors Rattus posted:

The beast story for me has basically become “well, this is clearly going somewhere dumb and possibly very bad, but you’ve committed to it and I want to see where you go”

The part of the story that could have been the most objectionable to me was breezed through so I don't think this particular play on Beauty and the Beast is going down a bad road. Doubly so since going by the preview chapter The prince turns back to being human on full moons so the matter of an heir won't be further complicated. Really, for the available chapters it's a pleasant story purely because Astina/Martina is a fun character on her own and absolutely carries everything. There's some intrigue surrounding this whole reincarnation business and the other side characters are good too but as long as every chapter has moments of sass like this

I'll keep reading.

Tangentially related since I have wolves on the mind. There are a couple of shorts regarding men turned into beasts by Kui Ryoko of Dungeon Meshi fame
The Beast from her anthology 'The Dragon's School is on the Top of the Mountain' which is a more straightforward re-imagining of Beauty and the Beast.
and
Wolves Tell no Lies from ' Seven Little Sons of the Dragon' about the woes of a modern day werewolf.

Literally Kermit
Mar 4, 2012
t
The Wholesome Isekai and VRMMO Thread for people that Like Isekai and .hack: She had just beaten him into submission and he was not erect

Jagged Jim
Sep 26, 2013

I... I can only look though the window...
That title sounds like it would fit the other isekai thread better.

Literally Kermit
Mar 4, 2012
t
^^^ I know, it makes the other isekai thread sound THAT much more filthy.

Also quote is not edit.

Julias
Jun 24, 2012

Strum in a harmonizing quartet
I want to cause a revolution

What can I do? My savage
nature is beyond wild
So yeah, I'm going to exert my mod privileges to say

Don't post about the Beastiality Manwha here, especially in the wholesome Isekai thread!:cripes:

Wark Say
Feb 22, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Y'know, we do have 2 isekai threads precisely for occasions like these.

thetoughestbean
Apr 27, 2013

Keep On Shroomin
“Wholesome isekai” is an unattainable goal and really the two threads should be rolled into one

Fereydun
May 9, 2008

lmao sorry for unleashing weird poo poo on this thread, i totally forgot theres 2 of these

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Fereydun posted:

lmao sorry for unleashing weird poo poo on this thread, i totally forgot theres 2 of these

Same here, I also forgot about the other thread. Hourglass reverse and Beware the Villainess certainly aren't wholesome in any regard.

Nalin
Sep 29, 2007

Hair Elf

RareAcumen posted:

Same here, I also forgot about the other thread. Hourglass reverse and Beware the Villainess certainly aren't wholesome in any regard.

Whaaaat? Beware the Villainess is incredibly wholesome. This latest chapter she turned her brother into a rabbit and is about to hunt him for the hunting competition.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.
I think the general idea of the wholesome split is that the story doesn't try to justify slavery as morally correct or whatever. And/or it's not literal porn. It doesn't need to be 100% rated G imo.

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Oct 25, 2007

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Clarste posted:

I think the general idea of the wholesome split is that the story doesn't try to justify slavery as morally correct or whatever. And/or it's not literal porn. It doesn't need to be 100% rated G imo.

I think that the definition of wholesome In this thread seems to vary wildly based on unclear criteria, honestly.

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Everything Burrito
Jun 2, 2011

I Failed At Anime 2022
One of the things that was requested somewhere a ways back in the thread was if there is some questionable content in a manga give people a content warning instead of just springing surprise bestiality on them.

also lmao that this is not the first time someone has had to step in and say hey don't discuss the bestiality isekai in the thread although it was an entirely different one last time!

Everything Burrito fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Sep 22, 2020

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