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HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


Nathilus posted:

I have this same complaint about every single instance where a protag effortlessly and instantly translates a technology over into another world, with exceptions made for Jin and his specialist knowledge since hes aware of the limits of what he can reproduce. And even w him it gets super iffy w the penicillin.

I've played this "what knowledge could I successfully take w me to the past" game occassionally ever since I first read a Connecticut yankee in king authur's court. The answer is always "not as much as you'd think"

Think about it for a second. Without looking it up, do you remember the exact 4 kinds of crops needed to institute crop rotation? And that's an easy one. How about the ratio of sulfur to nitre needed to make gunpowder? Penicillin, mentioned earlier, is even more problematic than most things in this regard. Do you know the kind of mold it grows in? Do you know how to grow and extract it in usable quantities? This second part took decades for the world brightest medical minds to figure out even after its discovery. Even something as simple as a water pump would take me time, materials, effort, and experimentation to get right. I understand the basic principles but actually making one from scratch involves a level of engineering I'm just not familiar with.

The way I see it, the most realistic sort of knowledge you could take with you, assuming you arent an artisan specialist in some trade, would be the broad strokes kind of stuff. Germ theory. Principles of sanitation. Basics of chemistry. (BTW, god-apothecary guy seemingly remembers the atomic weight of every element, the chemical formula of every medicine. w@w. Remind me not to go to his pharmacology school.)

Then you have to consider that you'd have to get people to listen to you, a dude who just showed up out of nowhere spouting bs with zero credibility. Youre going to need physical goods, time, security, and mindshare to get anything translated into a usable form. Good luck with all that.

Basically this little thought experiment never goes nearly as good for me as it does for the mc's of all these isekai's, when I try it.

This is why I really love Risou no Himo Seikatsu, the dude there's just like "Uh, I don't know much, so lets go for renewable power. My poo poo's gonna break, so let's just use it to get to grips with the country. I know vaguely how glass is made, but uh, heck, it's more complicated than I thought and the documentary I brought that explains it is actually just a twenty minute variety show episode!

The few things he does bring over, are usually a byproduct of common knowledge (numbers), the few bits of technology he brought with him (turns out using a laptop with Excel to calculate tax is better than medieval methods) or some neat mathematical trivia that you probably know in the corner of your mind (coprimes). And he brought beads and marbles to sell if he became stranded, because history.

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HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


Captain Invictus posted:

Doesn't Duke's Daughter sort of do that, where she doesn't really know much tech but suggests a few things to people and they go from there, or like they find cacao beans on a trip and she tells the chefs to gently caress around with the beans, or because she was an accountant in our world she improved the banking system in their world, introduced citizen schooling, etc

The great innovation that changed the face of the world.

Double-entry bookkeeping.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


That, as well as neatly showcasing how awful purely amoral pragmatic decision making can be. Tanya’s a good series.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


I’m even enjoying the bits played entirely straight. It’s very Overlord, except if Ainz thought the guardians were just humouring him.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


It's deeply entertaining both how actually normal he is when he isn't pretending, and how incredibly greedy and kinda scummy he is deep down. It's nice having a protagonist who is meant to be not the greatest person?

He's very Kazuma, except powerful.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


I like Duke's Daughter because one of the great inventions she brings forward is Double-Entry Bookkeeping.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


Brought To You By posted:

New Wrong way to use Healing Magic and I like how the more Usato becomes like Rose in personality the further away from humanity he moves.

Ah, they're one of the ones that threw a fit about Mangadex? That sucks.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


doomrider7 posted:

I do. Nobody really checks the LN one though I might just transfer everything to the anime one then and no problem on the LN's.

If there's an LN thread, talk about LN stuff, in the LN thread. Don't transfer it to the anime one. People who just watch the anime read that one. People here were talking about the manga. If nobody checks it, it's because nobody's interested, and that's also fine. You won't suddenly get more people to talk to, just more people complaining at you. Also:

doomrider7 posted:

I post the spoilers since I know that even if I posted links to the pertinent material on the spinoffs or links to where you can download the LN's for free, no one is gonna actually read any of it or download them which kind of bums me out since I like the series and it's nice to have people to talk to about it.

https://mangadex.org/title/31183/tensura-nikki-tensei-shitara-slime-datta-ken

:filez: ? Straight up posting a download for the light novels must be crossing a line, right?

Somebody fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Jul 11, 2019

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


It’s nice, wholesome, easily digested and fun. That’s why it does so well.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


cant cook creole bream posted:

This is really fun, but the main character is somehow one of the most clueless protagonists in the genre. I really want to see an explanation for the fact that this world seems to act exactly like the stupid bullshit he makes up on the spot. To be honest, I don't really get the protagonist. For all he knows, the whole deal with the cult was a farce. But who does he think he's fighting and killing? Some random group who play their own deadly ARG?

Bandits.
The answer is always bandits.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


doomrider7 posted:

The farce he came up with is based on a real folk take from the setting that just happened to be true. The guys he offs he assumes are bandits or other sort of mobs.

He doesn't know about any of that. He makes it all up on the spot. It's likely his isekai power.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


Fellis posted:

He does know about it, reread the chapter. It being randomly correct is why it’s funny, if it was his power it would be boring.

I've read the WN. He says bullshit, he assumes others go along with it, it turns out true. This is the formula, with 100% accuracy with no deviation.

Shyrka posted:

My take on the Eminence in Shadow guy is that he's isekai boy Haruhi.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


I actually really dig the Shun and others chapters. Thought it was really cool how the stories linked into eachother, though was disappointed with the direction things took much later on, got a bit too silly.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


sunken fleet posted:

Wow this manga is pretty good. I think I would like it a lot better though if it wasn't using a real world setting though. There's something weirdly masturbatory about adding your OC-do-not-steal self-insert character to real life historical time periods and having them guide historical events.

As amigolupus said, this one's particularly good because she never guides events so far - it's all been minor pushes mostly taken from people observing her.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


Ytlaya posted:

Shun chapters are better than Kumoko chapters IMO, which mostly just consist of a ludicrously overpowered spider gaining fake game stats and killing monsters (after the brief-ish period early on when she's actually weak).

The Shun chapters actually depart the most from typical isekai tropes in that, while they're occurring, we're aware that the characters involved are not that strong compared with the big players in the setting. Also Shun is an actually good guy, which is unusual for an isekai protagonist.

100% this. I do think the story's much better for having both of them, but I do prefer the Shun ones.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


Philosopher King posted:

I feel like I'm having a bit of an issue with the genre definition.

Is drifters considered an isekai? If so, then why isn't the fate series?

Drifters is isekai, because historical people are taken from our world and transported to another. The titular Drifters are taken some time before their imminent death, and the Ends are summoned afterwards.

Fate is an urban fantasy in a world recognisable as our own, but substantially different in many ways. All the servants are from that same world, but they aren't necessarily those same people, rather they are manifestations of who they were in legend. Some of them are from our legends, and some of them are entirely made up. So main series Fate is definitely not isekai, as there is no "other world" and people are not being transported. It could be considered reverse isekai, but even then, it'd be more appropriate to consider it something akin to time travel or cloning.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


everythingWasBees posted:

fgo is just travelling to alt universe Babylon and Camelot and the American Monarchy and such with your reverse isekaid servants.

fgo IS the main series at this point

I’ll accept that when the EU release happens. :colbert:

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


Yeah, it ballooned its core cast too quickly, introduced a rival cast that was way too big for anyone to get invested into them, all while giving Hans the least amount of screentime and just getting more and more elaborate. Really should've stuck to the initial premise and cast.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


everythingWasBees posted:

Given that apparently Bookworm has a whole bit where she uses child slaves I am removing it from the thread OP and banishing it to the season thread.

Is it the church people? Because if so, her whole thing is unfucking their situation. Her parents even risk death to prevent her from suffering such a fate, and the most sympathetic character in the church has fixing the whole indentured servitude thing as a long term goal. It's very anti-child slaves.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


Enzer posted:

How anyone takes all of that as "MC runs a child slave sweatshop" kind of blows my mind.

To be fair, in most other isekai poo poo that's exactly what it is. With Bookworm, not only is it much more complicated than just that (although one can very easily reduce it down to that exact sentence) it's also doing a look at the sketchy feudal methods of "it's not slavery, it's service to god!" instead of just straight up slavery, along with properly showing what two faced shits nobles are. Ease up on Bees a tad.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


Nah, you weren't all that harsh yourself, that was more directed at other folks.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


The workshop/sweatshop argument is also dumb. The workshop is a pretence for the kids to be able to forage, with work being secondary to that and intended to convince the church higher ups. This is outright stated, multiple times.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


The story kinda is about class divide in a medieval economy though. Key topics are stuff like "it's really, really, really hard to change your job" and "most people are stuck doing the same job as their parents" as well as "literally every peasant is illiterate unless they have to do important paperwork". This whole orphanage arc is literally "trickle down economics is bullshit, and if the wealth gets even more concentrated the trickle gets worse and people die" and "you know how hosed up it is for peasants with parents not having any options other than doing what their folks do? Now cut out the parents".

everythingWasBees posted:

There are plenty of ways to tell the story that don't rely on child labor though is the thing. There might be a narrative reason, but there are also plenty of other good alternatives that don't rely on it.

But that's not the story. The story is, and always has been, about how lovely being a kid is in this world. Her isekai power is basic mathematics and a high school level education.

Everything Burrito posted:

"this thing in the story bothers me" is not negated by any defense of the thing if it's just something that no matter what the reason for the thing existing, regardless of how narratively justified it is, is a thing that is still going to bother people. I don't get why there has to be such a forceful defense of it any time a person says "gee this element was uncomfortable for me" because it comes across as not allowing people to be uncomfortable or find a flaw with something because it's well liked.

Yeah, that's valid. But also, it's one thing to say "it bothers me" and another to say that it detracts from the work as a whole.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


khy posted:

I want to like Eminence in the Shadows. It has all kinds of things I usually like, but the Protagonist's sheer obliviousness puts me off for some reason.

He's a top notch mage? Understandable given his goals. He's a great fighter? Makes perfect sense with his background. He stumbles across a conspiracy and dark cult? Actually not a bad idea, and I liked it. But somehow the combination of stupid luck (IE : Random knife thrown at a map miraculously lands on the location of a kidnap victim) and obliviousness to the fact that the cult he stumbled across is real and not just his own invention pushes it too far and feels dumb to me as a result. I don't know why it rubs me the wrong way. Usually I like most of the elements in play in this story.

It's great when he thinks they're just all playing along with him, and when something that ought to be a massive challenge comes incredibly easily to him he thinks its all staged, but when he makes dumbass assumptions about what his closest entourage actually thinks and gets petty and jealous about poo poo it's just far, far worse. It strides the line, but falls off it quite often. A Will Eternal has a similar main character that's just far, far better.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


Phobophilia posted:

Okay I just started this series, and chapter 3 has a phenomenal gag where the heroine obliviously munches on a bird leg like some kind of barbarian in the background. The fact that she is a complete blank slate and barely has a personality has to be a deliberate decision.

Oh no, she has a personality, she's just set to minmax mode. Bird leg gives best stat gains.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

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LorneReams posted:

It totally is, even if it’s actually better then the alternative of just starving to death.

It’s really not though, unless you think Main & Friends going out to the forest and helping out gathering stuff for their families is slavery. She’s explicitly acting with the goal of making them self reliant, escaping the lovely trickle down foodonomics and letting them out into the actual outside world.

Revdomezehis posted:

Actually I'm pretty sure the tiddy fetish isekai was the impetus for creating the other thread, so yeah, if you have to add a "but" disclaimer, probably best to post it in the other thread.

I recall that being posted here to dunk on Bookworm actually

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

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Paper Lion posted:

sao alternative is the one with the pink little bunny girl thats tall in real life, right? that one was good. ive heard of the other two but every time i saw blurbs about them they sounded repellant, but that might have been those blurbs doing them a disservice. can you tell me more about them? thank you, my good friend endorph.

Bookworm's about a girl who wants to read books in a medieval fantasy setting where the peasant class is illiterate and the printing press doesn't exist, so books are things only for nobles. Very slow, very chill, mostly an exercise in steady worldbuilding.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


ianmacdo posted:

Yeah isn't there a multi episode him being a maid arc? I don't dropped out of that part. Only time it is good for the protagonist to be a maid is if it's a prelude to murding the nobels and that didn't look likely.

Maybe keep watching.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

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Bremen posted:

Plea to Japanese writers: If you are writing a series that may some day be translated, please do not name a character "Prince Duke."

However, please name them Duke Prince.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

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FAT BATMAN posted:

I remember being shown an isekai about a doctor who is transported to ye olde japan and introduces modern medicine concepts. What was it called? Do y’all know what I’m talking about?

Jin?

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

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golden bubble posted:

Glad to see not-Marie Antoinette's reincarnation quest to avoid Mr. Guillotine is still getting updates.

https://mangadex.org/title/40472/tearmoon-empire-story

Now I'm sad because I thought that this post was saying that the one with Marie Antoinette's reincarnation quest to avoid Mr. Guillotine got an update. This one's good too though!

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


Nitrousoxide posted:

I don't follow baseball, but isn't that against the rules? If it wasn't than any good batter would just be walked by the pitcher right leaving only the bad batters to actually progress the bases?

Intentional walks were also formalised in such a way that you don't even need to just throw a bunch of balls, you just signal that you're intentionally walking them.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


Same. Dumpster diving and finding something actually good feels way more enjoyable than just reading good poo poo.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


RareAcumen posted:

Depends on how they go about it. Freeing slaves is good an all but cutting off their chains and just leaving them to fend for themselves immediately afterwards among the bodies of dead slavers with no guidance would be lovely. As long as they're an actual character that gets talked to about that decision and isn't also wearing a mind control collar that can be tolerable.

any isekai power fantasy that includes slavery should include an anti-slavery faction that all that stuff can be delegated to, like sword dad, so we can still have the bodies of dead slavers and not slow down all the time

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


Nemo2342 posted:

Well I ended up binging the hell out of this, so both thank you and curse you because I had planned on getting more sleep tonight.

I really enjoyed how it kind of dodged most of the common tropes I've come to expect from isekais. The MC has modern knowledge, but it isn't enough to instantly bootstrap the country into a new era. He's got some OP magic, but it's taking him years to learn it and in 38 chapters he still hasn't gotten to the point where the magic is relevant as more than a complication. Despite being an isekai protagonist he doesn't suddenly upstage everyone around him, or become some kind of hidden power behind the throne. Heck it takes forever for the harem tag to come into play, and when it does it's for fairly realistic political reasons and not because every woman instantly jump his bones.

Ideal Sponger’s Life has the worst title and the most misleading opening of any media in general that I’ve come to enjoy. I’ve read ahead of the manga, and what I love most is how the dude has such intensely reasonable knowledge, like he knows enough to point actual craftsmen in the right direction, but not enough so they can make marbles or anything without literal years of work.

It’s also one of the few isekais that are willing to take place slowly over a fairly long period of time. The main characters have a genuine romantic chemistry in the adult sense, the politics is shallow but very well grounded, and the insecurities the guy faces are again fairly genuine. That and how pretty much every conflict is resolved in an uplifting manner makes it an exceedingly pleasant read. It’s truly extremely wholesome and great. Highly recommended.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

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The junk collector posted:

As much as I like trashy power fantasy, and lets face it, if I didn't I wouldn't be here, this made me read it and it was a real breath of fresh air. The characters are written like real people compared to most things and it doesn't do the awful isekai treadmill at all. It is NSFW though. Not porn or anything, but I wouldn't read it around kids.


Ultimately the most realistic Isekai would turn out like



Exactly, and I think the best part is that he has vague ideas on how electricity and other technologies work, just enough to not be able to share that knowledge, and really the only person he ends up disappointing with that is himself!

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

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Lock Knight posted:

Hello, thread. I have a request for spoilers.

Recently read the preview for My Daughter Left the Nest and Returned an S-Rank Adventurer, and it seemed fun and charming, but so did the first parts of Bunny Drop and If it's for My Daughter I'd Even etc., if you catch my drift.

Do I need to brace for disappointment on this one?

I have the same ongoing concern with that one, and it does get a little concerning in that regard, but I'm pretty sure it's now sidestepped that. But then again, even the ones you've named looked like they'd sidestepped it at a certain point, until it suddenly doubled down.

Specifically, she's started talking about setting someone up that she trusts with her dad, which hopefully means the worst won't happen!

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

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Nitrousoxide posted:

Endo and Kobayashi's Live Commentary isn't an Isekai though.

their commentary gets isekaid

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

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Rocko Bonaparte posted:

Wait... is it a story about a food cultivator having to deal with martial arts cultivators?

It's like the farming isekai with the mermaid and the lich and the dragon, but if the OP guys were just the pets.

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HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

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Eeepies posted:

Is there anywhere i can read about what cultivators are? I'm quite lost at this concept of cultivators

Forge of Destiny is a good introduction, but basically imagine a cross between Shaolin monks, Goku, D&D mages and drug addicts.

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