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Unlikable characters that come to mind... Travis Touchdown jumps forward at least in his first game (I can't say I've played or seen any of the rest) and even then, he's an rear end in a top hat to the world around him but still entertaining to the viewers. And it's very clear from the get go that he's meant awful from the way he creepily goes moe~ at an anime poster. It's debatable exactly how much growth Travis gets over the game but each stage is still punctuated with some variety of character who is glad to talk about how they live, how they die, and contrast directly with Travis, who ends up just looking like a vapid dweeb who just wants to be famous. And even then, the game has a lot of filler jobs, which do pad out the time, but also makes Travis at least a touch more relatable since he's busy doing minimum wage bullshit in pursuit of something better. Meanwhile, Alex doesn't have anyone he meaningfully bounces dialog off of in terms of his outlook on life vs theirs or where he wants to go or what he wants to do. And that job issue and money issue never really comes up in any sort of capacity. Alex is just detached and meaningless.
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Drakenel posted:This, basically. It really is a maturity thing. While people write all the time about experiences they've never had, as it's very common to take different perspectives through the lens of empathy, there's no real substitute for experiencing things first hand. Him getting mad about it shows that he doesn't really understand the material he's trying to write about. While I'm not going to argue with this general sentiment, I think someone has to say this. Do we know what he was trying to write about? When it's not being creepy and gross, this game is so loving incoherent that I find it genuinely incomprehensible. It doesn't have a plot, just a sequence of events that happen because the devs/writers want them to (and even then, fails to give a lot of them even the barest attempt at a justification); the most interesting question to ask about most of the events in this game is "why the gently caress did the devs want them?". There's a sense in which it also doesn't have characters, because for the most part these people don't act in consistent ways and often say bizarre things because the writers force them to, or else just demonstrate their gimmick (the only one who's at all consistent is Alex, and he's just consistent about being awful). Most of this is just... here. "I'm a lovely writer, therefore good writing is impossible! Waah!" is a hell of a thing to believe. He may as well just say "Hi! I'm self-absorbed and narcissistic! Validate me!"
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Apr 20, 2019 23:07
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Alex Monologue preceding the final dungeon - "And then I developed as a character. My personality grew like, so huge. I transformed so much you haven't even seen my final form." But make it 3+ paragraphs worth of the biggest words he knows.
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Apr 20, 2019 23:08
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skeleton warrior posted:There has been literally no character growth, unless we’re talking about maxing out his SPD stat. Alex is basically George Costanza without the minor and mild sympathetic traits that at least make you feel kinda bad for George whenever he gets his deserved comeuppance anyway. God, I can't wait to see what kind of meltdown Andrew Allanson is going to have if this legendary third ending ever comes to light and people loving hate it too 
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Apr 20, 2019 23:08
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The only "if" is "if the third ending actually exists at all", for that.
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Apr 20, 2019 23:11
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nine-gear crow posted:Alex is basically George Costanza without the minor and mild sympathetic traits that at least make you feel kinda bad for George whenever he gets his deserved comeuppance anyway. It is utterly and completely not in this fuckin' game yet. We couldn't even find Dick Masterson until he was patched in.
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Apr 20, 2019 23:11
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Been awhile since i've seen an LP, figure i'd watch this one. This game is so draining, and so boring. It's just a failure on every level. The writing, the pacing, the actual GAME part of it, the main character... Everything that i've seen so far just leads me to believe that Night in the Woods is ten million times better than whatever this is trying to be.
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Apr 20, 2019 23:12
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So, basically, Alex's "arc" is that he's a complete jerk and everybody hates him, but the people around him still keep telling him that he can be better, so he sets out as if he intends to do that, but spends all his time lamenting the loss of a woman he barely knew until it drives him to destroy all of creation - as soon as he builds up the power to do it. I think they're confusing him with Kratos.
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Apr 20, 2019 23:15
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Nidoking posted:So, basically, Alex's "arc" is that he's a complete jerk and everybody hates him, but the people around him still keep telling him that he can be better, so he sets out as if he intends to do that, but spends all his time lamenting the loss of a woman he barely knew until it drives him to destroy all of creation - as soon as he builds up the power to do it. Alex's arc is he is a massively lovely person right from the start and instead of learning or growing in any way, it's the world around him that changes in order to tell him that he's actually a good person and was right all along. He's basically any given Mary Sue fanfic character ever.
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Apr 20, 2019 23:20
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Explopyro posted:While I'm not going to argue with this general sentiment, I think someone has to say this. Do we know what he was trying to write about? p much though i do think the idea of a person's innumerable parallel-universe selves choosing to smash all of reality in a fit of mutual existential angst is a neat idea
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Nidoking posted:So, basically, Alex's "arc" is that he's a complete jerk and everybody hates him, but the people around him still keep telling him that he can be better, so he sets out as if he intends to do that, but spends all his time lamenting the loss of a woman he barely knew until it drives him to destroy all of creation - as soon as he builds up the power to do it. And Kratos is another instance of a pretty unlikable protagonist, and a big reason why Dad of Boy is as poignant and interesting as it is in the juxtaposition between Kratos as he was and Kratos as he is now. We get to see, in detail, how much he's changed over time and how he laments his own worst traits and how he really does want his son to be a better person than him. "I know, but I am your monster no longer" is a line that gives pathos, meaning, history, context and characterization all at once and in so doing is a line a million times better than anything Yick could ever manage.
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Even in the original God of War, while Kratos doesn't get redemption in that game, he still gets the real short end of the stick. Two and three? Well, they didn't originally plan to write those.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:https://twitter.com/TheLordOfLard/status/1119659260105773056 We had this game and it was called The World Ends With You Ramos posted:Even in the original God of War, while Kratos doesn't get redemption in that game, he still gets the real short end of the stick. That's cause 1 was an actual Greek tragedy, where he gets the power of a god, but at the end of the day cannot change the past and is left sitting on a miserable golden throne. Unfortunately teenagers were more focused on how sick those kills were hence 2 and especially 3. Man 3 was really drat dumb. Seraphic Neoman fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Apr 21, 2019 |
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Apr 21, 2019 01:23
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dev would be all in on the "LOL TRIGGERED" meme especially regarding why his game (rightly) went over badly
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mae borowski is to a social gathering what a steel girder is to a high-speed jet turbine and it's sort of awe-inspiring to witness
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Gregg is the greatest character to ever grace a videogame that isn't goro majima.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:https://twitter.com/TheLordOfLard/status/1119659260105773056 Here's it in audio form, the guy is 100% salt https://webm.red/NmGo.webm whoever made the webm put that one picture of the guy mistaken as the dev just incase anyone doesn't know Ekusukariba fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Apr 21, 2019 |
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Ekusukariba posted:Here's it in audio form, the guy is 100% salt https://webm.red/NmGo.webm Oh god, it's so salty I can feel my arteries hardening just listening to it. Of loving course Andrew Allanson thinks anything written by Ayn Rand is the height of literature and something to emulated and aspired too 
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so this dude turned back to look at the righteous nuking his game got (because it was an extended celebration of being a selfish, petty, demanding shitstain) and instantly became a being of pure sodium chloride someone hook him up with Lot's wife. they have so much in common
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nine-gear crow posted:Oh god, it's so salty I can feel my arteries hardening just listening to it. Of loving course Andrew Allanson thinks anything written by Ayn Rand is the height of literature and something to emulated and aspired too Also, that he was trying to make a video game version of a Palhinuk or Murakami novel, which is the most...white male of his generation thing possible.
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There's already a video game version of a Palhunik Novel, it's called Postal. Both 1, 2 and Redux. ...Well, close enough, anyway.
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Ekusukariba posted:Here's it in audio form, the guy is 100% salt https://webm.red/NmGo.webm whoever made the webm put that one picture of the guy mistaken as the dev just incase anyone doesn't know I'm not very good at reading. Though holy hell that was... bitter. Bitterness condensed, like vanilla extract. Also MMM. MM-HM Drakenel fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Apr 21, 2019 |
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the tone i have when my mediocrity isn't recognized or rewardedEkusukariba posted:Here's it in audio form, the guy is 100% salt https://webm.red/NmGo.webm whoever made the webm put that one picture of the guy mistaken as the dev just incase anyone doesn't know
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Wow, that's even more painful to listen to than I'd anticipated. Ironically, even whilst talking about how unlikeable Alex is supposed to be and how the audience couldn't comprehend that with their puny brains, he sounds exactly like Alex.
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Explopyro posted:Wow, that's even more painful to listen to than I'd anticipated. Ironically, even whilst talking about how unlikeable Alex is supposed to be and how the audience couldn't comprehend that with their puny brains, he sounds exactly like Alex. Like, I used to think that Kirphober was the perfect hyperdouche choice to voice Alex, but upon hearing that audio sampling I think Allanson should have just done it himself. Jesus.
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Ekusukariba posted:Here's it in audio form, the guy is 100% salt https://webm.red/NmGo.webm whoever made the webm put that one picture of the guy mistaken as the dev just incase anyone doesn't know i'm not gonna listen to this and no one can force me to 
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GrandmaParty posted:It is utterly and completely not in this fuckin' game yet. My favorite thing is apparently it was 10% chance to find the Aviators in an obscure corner of the town and supposedly they kept changing his and the aviators' location every patch to make him 'easier to find'. And supposedly every single version of the game has a different 3rd Ending.
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nine-gear crow posted:Oh god, it's so salty I can feel my arteries hardening just listening to it. Of loving course Andrew Allanson thinks anything written by Ayn Rand is the height of literature and something to emulated and aspired too I feel betrayed. That cat is cute and that guy is a loving moron.
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Like, I enjoyed catchat and then the yiik rear end in a top hat had to come along and gently caress it up.
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Azathoth256 posted:Like, I enjoyed catchat and then the yiik rear end in a top hat had to come along and gently caress it up. gently caress that rear end in a top hat.
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seems like that interview's getting a decent amount of play it's kind of funny how every aspect of this game is so fascinatingly awful that whenever it does re-surface it immediately gets a whole lot of attention because everyone who so much as glances at it is compelled to go "what the gently caress is this" Oxxidation fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Apr 21, 2019 |
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Ekusukariba posted:Here's it in audio form, the guy is 100% salt https://webm.red/NmGo.webm whoever made the webm put that one picture of the guy mistaken as the dev just incase anyone doesn't know I cannot tell if Allanson is a lying sack of poo poo or is genuinely confused as to what he wrote. It is nearly 2 am on Easter Sunday, and instead of going to bed I made the mistake of listening to Allanson's ranting. Let's analyze some of this poo poo, shall we? Claim: The player is not intended to identify with Alex This is debunked immediately by the character description of "just like you". Do I need to say more? Paranormal Hipsters, Ayn Rand, and protagonists This deserves a bit more analysis than the thread has put forth. We'll start with the Wesley Mouch reference. Wesley Mouch is a government regulator trying to stop Rand's ubersmart inventor heroes from profiting from their perpetual motion machines and give the money to lazy people who just don't want to work. If I'm parsing the inanity right, Allanson's saying that John Galt, by standing alone against a corrupt society armed with nothing more than his brain and a desire to improve the human condition (to get rich) is an example of a heroic archetype. He still gets it wrong because Galt doesn't have any flaws, but what do you expect? Dude made YIIK. Of more interest is his description of Alex as "a hipster interested in the paranormal". It's interesting because of two reasons. Allanson is presenting it as a contrast to characters who are defined by extreme competence such as Sherlock Holmes and John Galt, but that sentence also doesn't describe Alex at all. If I were to pick a sympathetic protagonist to compare Alex to, I'd pick Homer Simpson. Homer is stupid, violent, and incompetent, but redeemed by good intentions and genuine care for his family and friends. Alex, on the other hand, has no real interests outside himself. It's funny that Allanson claims he is interested in the paranormal because Alex doesn't show any real interest at all. He shows no interest in the paranormal before meeting Sammy, and it's clear he's more interested in trying to gently caress her rather than learn about her weird dimension. Afterward he's quite clear that the paranormal only matters to him as a tool to help him get laid, as he never shows any interest outside of initial confusion. He literally meets God, is shown verifiable proof of an afterlife, and fights aliens from outer space, yet his only reaction is to desperately look for someone to gently caress.
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So ultimately he wanted to make an earth bound clone because that should be the one type of game that should give him the most praise from weird 90s kids by default, regardless of quality. Art has to be praised if it come from me and it is always art if it is mine. I am now so glad his game is critically reviled when he never intended to make a video game from the start. Does this rear end in a top hat also consider himself to be a saint because people remember a murdered girl thanks to his glorious erotic fan-fiction of her or is he still solely in the HOW DARE YOU QUESTION MY MASTERPIECE mode?
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:He literally meets God, is shown verifiable proof of an afterlife, and fights aliens from outer space, yet his only reaction is to desperately look for someone to gently caress. That would be a good comedy/satire if handled properly
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Solar Tornado posted:That would be a good comedy/satire if handled properly Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy was basically this and it was. Granted, at first it was just about tea, but then they got some. God, you can just tell that if this game was made like, ten years earlier that it'd be the sort where the "sophisticated" and "humorous" parts of it would be just aping douglas adams jokes like there's no tomorrow.
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Crabtree posted:Does this rear end in a top hat also consider himself to be a saint because people remember a murdered girl thanks to his glorious erotic fan-fiction of her or is he still solely in the HOW DARE YOU QUESTION MY MASTERPIECE mode? Yes. According to the cliff notes of his awful Dick Masterson interview, Allanson apparently does believe he's the only person who TRULY UNDERSTANDS the tragedy of Elisa Lam.
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I wish i could transcribe how "Circle the wagons" the Yiik Discord is right now. But today let's talk about Alex's voice actor. A lot of people have been questioning "How can he approve voice acting such terrible lines?" The answer: because his voice actor is a bad person. Alex's voice actor is Christopher Niosi, better known as "Kirbopher." Kirbopher is a voice actor and artist who does some minor videogame voice acting work. He also made a webseries called TOME (Terrain of Magical Expertise) that I can't be hosed to read and investigate it. He's also apparently a terrible human being. I could type it up but I'll let someone explain it firsthand from their tumblr post. quote:I am weighing in. This will be a Long Post. From: http://amethystlashiec.tumblr.com/post/149095962046/regarding-chris-kirbopher-niosi I cannot find the original quote it was posting from but it stemmed from Kirbopher calling sexual coercion of minors and sexual abuse "minor drama." New update tomorrow as always. More sidequests. Then Thursday we hit endgame. Hot dog. G-Mawwwwwww fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Apr 21, 2019 |
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GrandmaParty posted:Hideousness Good loving god. Yeccchhh is a profound understatement.
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