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Buspar changed me for good. The physical and mental pain of anxiety is almost gone with it. Now onto the other meds...
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this was made ~10 years ago, so some of the info might be out of date, but it's a really interesting lecture nonetheless https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOAgplgTxfc
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Feb 16, 2019 07:35
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I understand that I should be telling this to my therapist, but I guess it was hard for me to go into action again. Yesterday was a really bad day for me, but I did manage to make the call in the end. I have an appointment next week. So thanks thread and sorry for the trouble.
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Feb 16, 2019 10:24
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oystertoadfish posted:healthy well adjusted brain: Mormonism 
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Feb 16, 2019 13:23
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twoday posted:Reminder that you can be depressed and not realize it, because you don't necessarily feel sad when you are depressed, but you might Thanks for putting this into words, great point I am back on escitalopram and so mad at myself for stopping last year. My life is still bad and difficult but it feels soooo good to have the inner strength to actually want to do and do things like read and go to the gym and not climb under a rock and die. I quit from the internalized social stigma against medication and people important to me pressuring me to stop from their own ignorance. It wasn't an instant crash, just a slow decline as i became more anxious, avoidant, negative about myself, fat, unable to muster up the will to do the things I like and so on. I blamed it on myself and my personality traits rather than the creeping goddamn brain disease. Wishing everyone strength and access to mental health treatment. gently caress the social stigma
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Feb 16, 2019 14:05
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oystertoadfish posted:healthy well adjusted brain: Mormonism please don’t troll
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Feb 16, 2019 17:34
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An insane mind posted:I understand that I should be telling this to my therapist, but I guess it was hard for me to go into action again. Yesterday was a really bad day for me, but I did manage to make the call in the end. I have an appointment next week. ain’t no thang that’s why I made it  one step at a time op
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Feb 16, 2019 17:35
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i feel like the stereotypical ideal of mormonism is the thing i envy, the idea that people could be healthy and well-adjusted and good parents and members of society and poo poo just through the One Wierd Trick of having a religion that protects you from wanting to not be boring by giving you some kind of fulfillment i can't imagine. you can put other religions in there for sure, i've met muslims who outwardly seemed pretty happy with poo poo of course this is just that thing where you look at the facade or ideal of someone's life and pretend it's their entire life for self-hating purposes; it's the same way people self-hate by looking at other people's nice pictures on facebook or instagram. the reality is probably that most of those people are hard-core repressed in some weird-rear end way, and that it isn't fun for them. i wouldn't want to be my current self but in a restrictive mormon setting, and i bet a lot more people are in that position than in the stereotypical ideal position anyway
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Feb 16, 2019 17:49
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oystertoadfish posted:i feel like the stereotypical ideal of mormonism is the thing i envy, the idea that people could be healthy and well-adjusted and good parents and members of society and poo poo just through the One Wierd Trick of having a religion that protects you from wanting to not be boring by giving you some kind of fulfillment i can't imagine. you can put other religions in there for sure, i've met muslims who outwardly seemed pretty happy with poo poo sir this is an online therapy app, how does that make you feel
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Feb 16, 2019 17:51
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Chokes McGee posted:sir this is an online therapy app, how does that make you feel i thought i was at a wendy's drive thru in utah sorry and gently caress the gig economy but also gently caress therapists kinda, i'm not really in this for their best interests. that said, i'm guessing that in-person therapy is gonna help both of you communicate with each other better and is gonna give you a better chance at actually getting something for your money, but maybe i'm just old, and i'm definitely ignorant, i've never tried it
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Feb 16, 2019 17:56
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oystertoadfish posted:i thought i was at a wendy's drive thru in utah sorry Please do not disparage therapy in this thread. it’s a cornerstone of mental health programs, and one bad therapist experience does not define the entire profession. thanks and namaste Chokes McGee has issued a correction as of 18:07 on Feb 16, 2019 |
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Feb 16, 2019 18:01
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Chokes McGee posted:Please do not disparage therapy in this thread. it’s a cornerstone of mental health programs, and one bad therapist experience does not define the entire profession. no problem. let me try to strip the negativity out of that comment: i've never tried online therapy and i'm skeptical that it can give you the same return that a face-to-face meeting can, but 1) i'm ignorant, i've never tried it and 2) maybe that's someone's best option in which case it's got to be better than nothing i could imagine it being a good way to work through a bunch of therapists and maybe start seeing one in person. online dating, basically. this whole therapist thing has similarities with dating oystertoadfish has issued a correction as of 18:17 on Feb 16, 2019 |
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Feb 16, 2019 18:14
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oystertoadfish posted:no problem. let me try to strip the negativity out of that comment: i've never tried online therapy and i'm skeptical that it can give you the same return that a face-to-face meeting can, but 1) i'm ignorant, i've never tried it and 2) maybe that's someone's best option in which case it's got to be better than nothing okay, online therapy I’m willing to give you. I’m skeptical of that as well. misread your comments, it’s all good 
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Feb 16, 2019 19:12
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Effexor is some horse poo poo of withdrawals
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Feb 16, 2019 19:17
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Siljmonster posted:Effexor is some horse poo poo of withdrawals I had weird brain zaps for like six months after I got off effexor, it also gave me terrible, terrible anxiety and panic attacks, which I hadn't ever had before. I might look into seeing a psychiatrist. I've done therapy several times already and I don't really know if I can extract any value from it anymore, personally speaking. I don't ruminate, I don't self-harm or self-insult, I don't overdwell on my past or the ills of the world anymore, I just..... don't enjoy much of anything or feel many emotions and my motivation is minimal. It also doesn't really affect my work or relationships, so it's really nonobvious to everyone else. Like, I don't feel bad but I don't feel good either. Just 
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Feb 16, 2019 19:25
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100 HOGS AGREE posted:I don't ruminate, I don't self-harm or self-insult, I don't overdwell on my past or the ills of the world anymore, I just..... don't enjoy much of anything or feel many emotions and my motivation is minimal. It also doesn't really affect my work or relationships, so it's really nonobvious to everyone else. I hope I don't sound too prying but you seem to be further along than me in the process, is it therapy that got you to stop ruminating and self-inflicting? I still have long bouts of self harm and am wondering how others got...over it for want of a better word.
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Feb 16, 2019 19:30
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Chokes McGee posted:okay, online therapy I’m willing to give you. I’m skeptical of that as well. I’m on my phone so I can’t dig up the journal articles, but there’s good evidence that, at least for CBT, therapy delivered over the phone is as effective as in-person for most people.
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Feb 16, 2019 21:38
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OP, thanks for making this thread. I think we as a community (and culture) need to be a lot better at discussing and working with mental illness. I want to stress how important orgs like NAMI are. Everyone who does not have insurance and is in this thread, at a minimum check out their website at nami.org. They have many free group therapy sessions (some of which I have led). I might be a failed Psych PhD candidate, but I’ve personally watched people come back from the brink thanks to them. SunAndSpring posted:I love that I feel completely hopeless as to getting a job within that short time period, I love that when I complained about this a while back in another thread on here all the alleged socialists completely ignored me save for like one guy who tried to help but was in the wrong area to do so, god I just love everything. S&S if you don’t mind, can you let me know what area you live in? I might be able to get you some resources, or if you’re in SoCal, I can hook you up with some orgs I’ve worked with. If not, some of them have national programs (NAMI being the biggest). A couple of things I want to mention: 1. I think it’s awesome that some of you are agreeing to look into some therapy. As someone who was halfway to a doctorate, let me tell you that there are a few red flags for therapists you should avoid: anything psychoanalysis, homeopathic, or someone who is just a therapist and not a PhD, MD, Psy D or social worker as your first intervention. For the various symptoms expressed here, CBT and DBT are the way to go. Psychology Today and other websites will have their qualifications, specialties, and therapy theories. Focus on that. 2. DBT is something I have pushed for everyone who suffers from depression, PTSD, or Bipolar Disorders. I might be biased, it is what I was working on in my Graduate program, but it is extremely successful. It’s based on learning coping mechanisms, with prescription interventions if necessary. 3. I am not a licensed therapist, and I don’t think anyone here is. But for gods sake, do not self-medicate. Smoking weed is fine in small doses (microdosing is having some interesting studies come out right now), but if it is your only way of coping you are not getting help. If you are in a crisis, having a panic attack, go for it. But you’ve got to develop coping mechanisms besides that and you likely never learned how to do it properly growing up. Orgs like NAMI will help as much as they can. Do not feel shame over using it. It works and helps people (and is way cheaper than sessions), but there’s a lot of free or cheap resources out there I can point you to to use as well. 4. Online Therapy is really new and has extremely conflicting reports of effectiveness. If you’re in a situation that it’s the best, cheapest and most convenient option, do it. Every experience or person who I’ve known that has used them is extremely based on who you speak with. You’ll likely go through a lot of people, but you might do that with a face to face therapist anyway. Last thing, there tend to be free DBT courses or cheap ones available that are paid with Medicare or insurance. If you live in a poo poo state like Texas and don’t qualify, please reach out to your local NAMI. https://www.nami.org/Find-Support I also can send you links to online programs, workbooks, etc that have saved the lives of a lot of people I know if any of you are interested. Know that you are not alone. There are people here that care and want you to get the help you deserve. Just because our country is a horrible mess, doesn’t mean there isn’t support out there.
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Feb 16, 2019 21:56
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An insane mind posted:I hope I don't sound too prying but you seem to be further along than me in the process, is it therapy that got you to stop ruminating and self-inflicting? I still have long bouts of self harm and am wondering how others got...over it for want of a better word. part of it was therapy, part of it has been reading on my own and having friends with the same struggles. also I'm in my mid thirties now so there's some measure of growth I've gone through since I was an idiot teen who didn't even know what depression really was and was in mega denial. I've never self harmed and I've never been suicidal but I have had death ideation thoughts in the past. what it really comes down to, through therapy or otherwise, is training yourself to break out of negative thought cycles and that breaking yourself down is unacceptable. it's easier said than done and everyone has to unlearn those bad behaviors in their own way. for some people that's CBT, or talk therapy, or self-help. I can't really pinpoint the way I learned to do it myself at this point, it's been a really long time since I last was in a major depressive episode. And I'm not going to discount having good stable jobs over the last seven years has helped immensely, as it removed a major stressor from my life (money, student debt angst) 100 HOGS AGREE has issued a correction as of 00:43 on Feb 17, 2019 |
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Feb 17, 2019 00:38
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Bearded Whiteguy posted:OP, thanks for making this thread. I think we as a community (and culture) need to be a lot better at discussing and working with mental illness. this going is going in the op when I get back from the movie, op 
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Feb 17, 2019 01:31
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Siljmonster posted:Effexor is some horse poo poo of withdrawals it was horseshit taking it for me, too. In a manner of three days I got assfucked both ways by side effects and withdrawals there are people who swear by it and everyone’s reactions to different meds are ridiculously different but I’ve heard a ton of bad stories about Effexor. (lol Effexor shocks) if your pdoc prescribes it take it anyway, famed forums broke brain chokes McGee is not a good source for all your medical needs
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Feb 17, 2019 01:37
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Dumb Lowtax posted:Go see the new Lego movie y'all, it's super happy and therapeutic and feels like it doesn't belong in the same world as TROMP
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Feb 17, 2019 03:29
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Hello brain problems friends Just wanted to share that I finally got off my rear end and got to a psychiatrist for depression. I've been in and out of therapy for anxiety since I was maybe 13, I've got the coping mechanisms for that pretty down, but I didn't actually start getting depression until I became chronically ill a couple years ago, and TRUNP!!! certainly didn't help. I'm back in therapy, for depression this time, and on Wellbutrin--I think it may have kicked in today for the first time after two and a half weeks on it, I've actually been functional and had the energy to get stuff done, which owns. Can't loving wait for the mental shift to go with the having more energy. Be positive, friends! There's always a way forward if you just be kind to yourself and put in as much work as you can on feeling better. If you feel you can't be sincerely positive, fake it as convincingly as you can--there's a lot of good psychological literature on how effective even just that can be on your mood.
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Feb 17, 2019 03:31
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best thread in spam land cheers chokes
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Feb 17, 2019 16:56
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Your hair looks nice today.
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Feb 17, 2019 17:02
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An Apple A Gay posted:best thread in spam land cheers chokes thanks. I’m making mental health awareness and combatting stigma my thing since I got out of the hospital and if I can help my fellow broke brain tdgrmps then hell yeah im gonna go for it
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Feb 17, 2019 17:30
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Third World Reagan posted:Your hair looks nice today. what’s left of it lol
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Feb 17, 2019 17:30
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Effexor is loving hosed. My oncologist put me on that after I survived stage IV cancer and he did a great job treating the cancer and getting me out alive but WOW he should not have prescribed that. I can see why he did it because after they stopped giving me the roids I was literally sleeping 16hrs a day, just giving up entirely despite surviving the illness, having these long rear end dreams with mystical narratives that felt more real and coherent than my life did. I had no insurance, and was crushed by hospital bill debt, and he had a fuckton of samples he could just give me for free. But brain shivers are exactly as horrifying as they sound and people should not feel like that Man I had forgotten all about that side effect, it's been like ten years drat
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Feb 17, 2019 18:52
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Whether a psychiatrist suggests effexor sounds like a good litmus test as to whether it's time to drop them and get another, especially considering so many psychiatrists are known to be on the take from pharmaceutical companies Cymbalta has a somewhat similar reputation
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Feb 17, 2019 18:58
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I didn't mean to make such a negative post. Meds are super great in general, just not that one. I am on some much milder ones now, and I can actually experience... joy? I had a terrible childhood and depressive disorders on both sides of my parents families. I thought everyone just felt the way I felt, not ever being excited about anything, having no hope or expectations for others, until I got with my fiancee and felt joy for literally the first time in my life. Who knew something was super wrong with me and it could be fixed! Anyway my life owns now. I stopped watching and listening to all news and don't use Facebook. I donate to social justice orgs to make some kind of difference. And I got therapy and meds. It's the best
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Feb 17, 2019 18:59
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As someone who takes a minimal dose of effexor and has it work for them the upper limit doctors have been willing to prescribe is absolutely mind-boggling. Like I take 37.5 mg and it does effect my energy level and will give me brain zaps if i miss a day, but it's a minimal price for something that does what i need it to reliably and with little fuss. But the one time I tried a 75mg dose it just utterly hosed me up and it's pretty common for people to take 2 or even 3 times that. Thats insane!
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Feb 17, 2019 19:13
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Like for some reason its assumed that mood adjusting meds are supposed to be a cure in and of itself, which would be insane in any other medical context. Painkillers aren't enough to treat a broken arm on their own, and antibiotics alone won't take care of a gaping wound. So why is it that when it comes to the brain, an infinitely more complex organ than a bone or muscle tissue, do we just ply it with more medication until something gives? Sorry for the rant, I'll have a chocolate shake thanks.
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Feb 17, 2019 19:17
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Ok, it's Sunday morning and I have some time to drop some links and theory. One of the biggest leaps in psychological theory was created by Marsha Linehan, a psychologist who suffered from Borderline Personality Disorder. Some of you may be familiar with this disorder (or even have it), so you may know how difficult it is to treat... except it's actually not. For a long time, psychologists and psychiatrists just refused to put in the work to properly study and treat it. Enter Marsha Linehan who developed a therapy model that not only gave her the ability to live not only a normal life, but an extraordinary one. It's called Dialectical Behavior Therapy, or DBT and it has shown to be extremely effective in treating personality disorders, MDBP, addiction, and depression/anxiety disorders. It does this by being skills and empathy based. DBT therapy was created by someone who never received proper empathy or understanding when she was seeking out help, so she designed her theory around it. The key to DBT is highlighting coping mechanisms that will help with overwhelming emotions, whether it be addiction, depression, manic episodes, etc. These techniques are called Mindfulness exercises and are meant to keep you in what is called "wise mind" instead of "emotion" or "rational" mind. This isn't to say that emotion or rational thoughts are bad by any means, but that when you enter a state of depression or anxiety, either your emotions or lack of emotions take over. DBT is meant to help you get out of that. This is not going to be easy. You are going to mess up and get frustrated. But everyone I know who's stuck with it has seen massive benefits. Here's some basic resources: 1. DBT Workbook - https://www.amazon.com/Dialectical-Behavior-Therapy-Skills-Workbook/dp/1572245131 It's $13 and is meant to be used with a DBT class... but if you can't get in one, that's fine, here's some more resources. And if you can't afford the book, here's a pdf (but getting the book is worth it because of how much easier it is to write in and keep up with instead of printing off 300 pages): https://www.pdfdrive.com/the-dialectical-behavior-therapy-skills-workbook-e19134904.html 2. DBT Training series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=playlist If you can't get into a group therapy or program, this is a good video series (though it's a bit boring, sorry...) that goes over it. 3. Therapist who specialize in DBT: https://behavioraltech.org/resources/find-a-therapist/ 4. Apps you can download: https://www.dbtcenteroc.com/resources/dbt-apps-we-recommend/ But a big thing... you don't need to use DBT by any means. There are many good professionals out there who can help, but you do need to find them. If there aren't free courses, or DBT therapists in your area, that's ok. There are tons of CBT therapists who do amazing work and can help. You can find therapists here: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists and you can even select issues you want to focus on. For example, here's a list of therapists who specialize in depression, are CBT or DBT focused, and located in Arkansas: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/depression/72901?sid=5c69a49e589f6&zipdist=3&spec=293&spec=488. If you look on the left, you can even select gender, insurance accepted, etc. If you click on their page, you'll see their photo, qualifications, and focus. Last thing, https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/groups Here you can find support groups in your area. Click DBT and adults. Additionally, there's also NAMI: https://www.nami.org/Find-Support Now, I know getting to these may be difficult, and many are not free. But, there's now facetime/webcam ones available. So if you don't have any in your area, the cost is prohibitive, etc, here's some resources as well: 1. Turn2me - funded by the Republic of Ireland, there's a small fee to join if you're not Irish, but it's cheap. https://turn2me.org/group-supports 2. ADAA - https://adaa.org/adaa-online-support-group Free online support group. Many therapists participate in it Keep in mind, this is not a replacement for therapy. It's only if you have nothing else. And, you know, there's always this thread and E/N. I'll try and be more active in both of them if you need something. I also have a plat account, so you can PM me if you need help finding something in your area without revealing any info to the wider world. Fake edit: I'm not an expert in medications, but I do know a couple of things: generally stay away from Benzodiazapams unless you have severe psychotic episodes. Let me be clear, I am not a licensed psychiatrist, my experience is just with the groups I've worked with/ran, and the many people I know, so take this with that in mind. If you are diagnosed with a personality disorder, DO NOT GET THEM. If you are already on them, DO NOT STOP TAKING THEM, but talk to your psychiatrist about weening off of them very slowly and moving to something else. Benzos are 100% influenced by the pharma companies and way over used and under effective while having heavy side affects. Most people with personality disorders should be on low dose mood stabilizers, and/or anti-anxiety/depression medicines just to manage the comorbidity symptoms.
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Feb 17, 2019 20:05
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Bearded Whiteguy posted:
I want to thank you for this post even though I snipped most of it to not clutter the page. I just wanted to highlight this part of your post and say that I was on Diazapam for about...8 months to a year and I have never had a medication affect me so negatively as diazepam. I was balooning, lethargic (even more so then I am now while depressed), had constant headaches and ate so much I actually started the day feeling sick from overeating before jumping right back on it. Switching meds saved me there.
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Feb 17, 2019 21:01
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I swear I'm going to compile all this poo poo into an op at some point but for now there's nothing wrong with benzos if you have an anxiety disorder AND you take as directed. Clonapin is a godsend for me. As always, it depends on your diagnosis and how your body reacts.
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Feb 17, 2019 21:02
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I have loving weird health / misc anxiety obsessions that I've struggled with since I was a teen (before that it was body image obsessions). I'll convince myself that me or my cat is suffering some unknown and potentially deadly disease and constantly "check" to make sure the symptoms are "real" which are quite obviously just anxiety and stress. The stupidest part is that I *know* it's bullshit but I still suffer regardless. I know for a fact that they're anxiety because during the polar vortex, when it was getting extremely painful to exist under such anxiety my friend gave me a tiny dose of xanax and all of the symptoms evaporated. Lately I've been waking up in the middle of the night with an overwhelming sense of doom and sometimes really disturbing intrusive thoughts that I can't shake until I shoo them out with lets plays or by getting up for a bit or something. The cold weather, and when night falls are when the ambient dread starts to creep up regardless of whether or not I'm in a health anxiety ep. The way I deal with this is by drinking 4 beers each night which is not "a lot" but is definitely a habit I recognize as unhealthy and would like to stop. Also use nicotine products way too much (vaping, snus when that gets too expensive). Don't smoke weed because smoking weed as a 20 year old was when I started having my first health anxiety eps. I've never had a doctor as an adult, getting one was too expensive for me (until now) and was also one of those "impossible tasks" but today I finally pushed that boulder up the hill and picked a primary care physician. I plan to go there, get a physical, and talk about the symptoms where hopefully I can get a referral to a psychiatrist and therapist.
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Feb 17, 2019 21:05
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I'll be honest goons, I'm scared of therapy. The last time I went I had a bad therapist. They were conservative politically and attempted to refute my existential fears. Thinking too hard about climate change is a huge trigger for me and has led me into more than one downward spiral. When I bring up my fears they tried to wave them off with the standard bs. "Someone smarter than you will figure something out" "You can't change anything so why worry about it" Problem is that didn't make me feel any better. I can't just ignore that poo poo or sweep it under the rug. I eventually just stopped going because I was tired of being lied to in therapy. I get what they were going for. Trying to get me to focus on changing myself rather than society. I simply can't separate my sad brains from the fact that life in this neoliberal hellscape is causing said sad brains. Is this typical? Every therapist I've previously seen focuses on bullshitting the problems away. Not helping you come to terms with the rotten state of the world.
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Feb 17, 2019 21:26
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Dreddout posted:I'll be honest goons, I'm scared of therapy. The last time I went I had a bad therapist. They were conservative politically and attempted to refute my existential fears. Thinking too hard about climate change is a huge trigger for me and has led me into more than one downward spiral. When I bring up my fears they tried to wave them off with the standard bs. "Someone smarter than you will figure something out" "You can't change anything so why worry about it" My therapist shut that down pretty well for me by asking me why that doesn't mean I shouldn't feel better now
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Feb 17, 2019 21:37
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Dreddout posted:I'll be honest goons, I'm scared of therapy. The last time I went I had a bad therapist. They were conservative politically and attempted to refute my existential fears. Thinking too hard about climate change is a huge trigger for me and has led me into more than one downward spiral. When I bring up my fears they tried to wave them off with the standard bs. "Someone smarter than you will figure something out" "You can't change anything so why worry about it" If your therapist is making it worse/making you dread going to the therapist, the solution is to get one that you do have a click and rapport with. Sadly, if what the therapist is saying sound like platitudes or unhelpful to you then it is never going to help. I do hope you find one that clicks with you because, as a completely closed of person, talking to someone who seems to understand or try to understand helps.
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Feb 17, 2019 21:59
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Dreddout posted:I'll be honest goons, I'm scared of therapy. The last time I went I had a bad therapist. They were conservative politically and attempted to refute my existential fears. Thinking too hard about climate change is a huge trigger for me and has led me into more than one downward spiral. When I bring up my fears they tried to wave them off with the standard bs. "Someone smarter than you will figure something out" "You can't change anything so why worry about it" You just had a therapist who didn't work for you, I've been through 20+ in my years and they're not all effective. My guess is your previous therapist probably had some prior success with their methods; what doesn't work for you probably worked well for others. Something that's crucial to understand is that you're not unique. If you have an IQ that's 1 in 1000, or some neurological condition that affects 1 in 10000, there are still lots of other people who have been treated for the same things in similar circumstances. I wish there were some algorithm that existed where you could program in personality metrics, medical history and other esoterica and get fed a list of therapists and physicians in your area who have successfully treated similar clients but I don't know of anything like that so your next best strategy is to just a)try a new therapist and b)not stick with that therapist if they're not working out.
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Feb 17, 2019 22:06
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