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wiegieman posted:Capitalism and Imperialism are mechanisms of control that the technocrats tried to use to manage the world and that they completely messed up, like everything else mages do. It's not a WoD setting unless the new faces/PCs are throwing their hands up in the air in disgust over what those in power over them have done. That includes things like the idealistic Ventrue neonate who realized that the Sabbat targeted BICOP populations for recruitment, wrote up a statistical analysis of why it's in the Camarilla's best interest to better those communities to make that harder, and then had a bunch of centuries old dustfarting monsters just go 'double down on the racism to keep those folks from having any influence, got it".
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https://twitter.com/VtM_Bloodlines/status/1293064749157167105 Oh well.
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Honestly not too surprising, and if it'll make the finished game better, all the better. With stuff like Cyberpunk 2077 being pushed back, you really don't want to release against one of the larger titles and have something that's full of bugs or just lacks polish.
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Aug 11, 2020 07:40
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been waiting for this announcement for basically every game so i'm usually surprised when any actually come out this year
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Aug 11, 2020 07:41
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This looked fairly average last time I looked, have there been any recent releases of info about it?
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Aug 11, 2020 09:34
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They’ve been pretty quiet. But yeah, it’s been pretty obvious that it needed to be pushed for a while. Even before COVID. Still very excited to play it whenever it releases. Though on PS5 now, I guess.
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I’m glad it’s getting pushed out, because now I don’t have to exhibit any patience to play it on ps5 and have better load times, lol
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Aug 11, 2020 14:14
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alansmithee posted:Honestly not too surprising, and if it'll make the finished game better, all the better. With stuff like Cyberpunk 2077 being pushed back, you really don't want to release against one of the larger titles and have something that's full of bugs or just lacks polish. But these things would make it a proper sequel to the original!
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crepeface posted:been waiting for this announcement for basically every game so i'm usually surprised when any actually come out this year yeah. we would have heard something already if it has a date for this year. I am happy world of darkness is making more video games now. i know an action rpg werewolf game is coming out now and the council devs are making a vampire game so its cool.
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When it's done is the best policy*. * - except when it's Star Citizen, because they will forever add new features and it'll never be done.
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Southpaugh posted:But these things would make it a proper sequel to the original! I had forgotten what original Bloodlines went up against. It was, as Smiling Jack said to the Neonate, "They just plop you out here like a naked baby in the woods."
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Wasn't it Valve who forced Troika to delay the release of VTMB until the release of HL2 because they didn't want the buggy prerelease Source engine they gave the Troika devs to be the first public impression of Source?
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Dross posted:Wasn't it Valve who forced Troika to delay the release of VTMB until the release of HL2 because they didn't want the buggy prerelease Source engine they gave the Troika devs to be the first public impression of Source? I've heard that before, and also that the publishers, knowing full well it would be held back because of HL2, still insisted that the final code had to be handed in months before the thing could ever be released, denying them something like 3 months of polish/debugging time, even allowing for all the usual publication necessities like putting disks and packaging together.
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Aug 11, 2020 18:26
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Dross posted:Wasn't it Valve who forced Troika to delay the release of VTMB until the release of HL2 because they didn't want the buggy prerelease Source engine they gave the Troika devs to be the first public impression of Source? Yes. Troika spent that time trying to fix things more, but well, we know how it shipped.
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A delay doesn’t necessarily mean “we’re working on it longer”, it just means a longer time until the game can recoup its cost. If they do work on it, that means more cost to recoup on release, so delays are never really a *good* thing. But I suppose if anyone was to throw good money after bad it would be Paradox.
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Basic Chunnel posted:A delay doesn’t necessarily mean “we’re working on it longer”, it just means a longer time until the game can recoup its cost. If they do work on it, that means more cost to recoup on release, so delays are never really a *good* thing. Throwing good money after bad occasionally results in more good money. For good or ill, Bloodlines 2 is meant to be V5’s debut outside of the tabletop space.
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It’s also the next big milestone in Paradox trying to break into the RPG market. Making sure this comes out well probably pays dividends in a year or two when HBS announces some new RPG.
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Aug 11, 2020 23:30
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If this game fails the licence is officially cursed.
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I've been half-expecting a delay ever since Cyberpunk was pushed back to late this year, much like how they delayed after Cyberpunk announced their first release date.
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Anno posted:It’s also the next big milestone in Paradox trying to break into the RPG market. Making sure this comes out well probably pays dividends in a year or two when HBS announces some new RPG. I thought they've published rpgs previously? Or are they actually developing this? I'm still not sure exactly how these developer/publisher relationships always work.
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Paradox’s unabashed championing of eurojank makes it a natural spot for CRPG diehards, but they don’t actually have much to show yet. They own alt-4X and grand strategy but haven’t made super strong inroads into the CRPG market. Pillars of Eternity 1 was a success, but it wasn’t their IP and iirc their role was mostly physical distribution in Europe. Tyranny had a quiet launch and a quiet death you could attribute to many different factors: Infinity Engine revival fatigue, troubled development, very anemic hype from Paradox in the lead up to release, extremely unfortunate release timing (a week after USA election ‘16) that might have turned away fash-shy gamers. Perhaps most bizarrely on several levels, there was an abject lack of bootlicking story path options that the fash-curious gamers really really wanted for their immersion. It was patched in later but the damage had been done. Bloodlines 2 could be cool cult hit but if they’re expecting it could do blockbuster numbers… I hope that’s not the case. That’s how you end up with a perfectly successful game that’s still somehow a disappointment to the publisher, eg, Alien: Isolation
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alansmithee posted:I thought they've published rpgs previously? Or are they actually developing this? I'm still not sure exactly how these developer/publisher relationships always work. I guess they’re technically just the publisher here as well, though it seems like they’ve had substantially more input this time around (which makes sense, it’s their IP) and they also have a substantial ownership share in the developer, just not a total one. The biggest difference is just the scale I think. Going from niche isometric cRPGs to a full price more “modern” looking game releasing across PC and consoles from day 1.
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Aug 13, 2020 11:48
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Didn't they have that Viking RPG in development a few years ago ? It died a very quick death, I wonder how that all happened.
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That's disappointing about Tyranny. I actually just played it all the way through about a month ago and quite enjoyed it. Definitely needs a sequel at least to wrap it up. I'm on the fence about preordering bloodlines on sale right now, as long as it isn't a dumpster fire I'll probably love it. Just started playing vtm with some strangers and a GM I know as well.
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We are gonna buy it even if it's a dumpster fire, it's part of the charm.
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Angry Lobster posted:We are gonna buy it even if it's a dumpster fire, it's part of the charm. I wonder if Wesp5 is already thinking about modding it.
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Parallelwoody posted:That's disappointing about Tyranny. I actually just played it all the way through about a month ago and quite enjoyed it. Definitely needs a sequel at least to wrap it up. I'm on the fence about preordering bloodlines on sale right now, as long as it isn't a dumpster fire I'll probably love it. Just started playing vtm with some strangers and a GM I know as well. I was surprised by just how much I enjoyed Tyranny’s setting and characters. It was not the grimdark misery I was expecting.
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El_Elegante posted:I was surprised by just how much I enjoyed Tyranny’s setting and characters. It was not the grimdark misery I was expecting. Yeah I don’t think the pre-release marketing really did a good job of selling the setting or most of your character choices. I really enjoyed this video from Noah Caldwell-Gervais talking about the world and his general thoughts while playing. Worth a listen imo, as is most of his stuff if you have the time.
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wiegieman posted:Never preorder anything. Only pre-order things you're literally going to buy under all circumstances, and even then only if there's a good deal.
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It was a nice bonus to get this game for free in the goodie
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I look forward to enjoying some quality Amerijank with the sequel. The only thing I'll be unhappy about is if it's more GTA sandbox and less focused on interesting environments.
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lol I bought a console a few months ago for the first time in over a decade because I wanted to play, among other things, this and Cyberpunk at release, I am capitalism's bitch. oh well.
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Don’t be embarrassed, I’m seriously considering buying a ps3 to play its exclusives.
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I'm preordering the poo poo out of this, you can protest all you want but it's the metric the industry uses, and I want this IP to be successful and generate more games. It's me, I'm the horrible Camarilla apologist.
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Fuzz posted:I'm preordering the poo poo out of this, you can protest all you want but it's the metric the industry uses, and I want this IP to be successful and generate more games. I'm also going to preorder it. I mean, there's no way I'm not buying it and I want the dev diary, but I'll wait until a couple of weeks before release. As I see it, there's literally no point preordering stuff before it has an announced release date.
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I’m way ahead of y’all. I preordered this like 18 months ago
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El_Elegante posted:I’m way ahead of y’all. I preordered this like 18 months ago i'm gonna wait and see, everything I've seen has been mediocre but it could be a fakeout
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I don't care if this game is a piece of poo poo I will still play this garbage there's only like 12 vampire video games in all of existence
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Oooph.Paradox posted:Hi everyone, What the hell has gone on behind the scenes here?
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