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Not that I´m trying to downplay the red flags that this game already has but doesn´t that link just refer to the collector´s edition physical stuff, since it doesn´t mention the game itself in that package? Could be that several of those items won´t ready to ship until 2022.
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Captain Monkey posted:I think you'll find that the prognosticators know with 100% certitude that this game will be the worst thing since Star Citizen met ET for the Atari. This IP is, without exaggeration, cursed.
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Taitale posted:Speaking of; https://merch.paradoxplaza.com/bloodlines-2-ce/3837/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2-ce-pc?c=217 placeholder though a weird one. I am guessing early mid 2021 or summer of 2021. sebmojo posted:Expansion/clarification thanks.
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Bloodlines 2 will probably not be good? :/ I really want this to be a good game.
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It's going to be flawed in several aggravating ways, buggy as hell, but ultimately evolve into a decent game with a small but fanatical following after years of modding. Just like the first one.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:placeholder though a weird one. I am guessing early mid 2021 or summer of 2021. My money's on September/October next year.
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Taitale posted:Speaking of; https://merch.paradoxplaza.com/bloodlines-2-ce/3837/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2-ce-pc?c=217 Holy shiiiiiiit. Like forget the NDAs, something unnatural happened here.
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jng2058 posted:It's going to be flawed in several aggravating ways, buggy as hell, but ultimately evolve into a decent game with a small but fanatical following after years of modding. As has been said before, UE4 is not moddable. We’re going to get what we’re going to get. SweetBro posted:Honestly, I wouldn't let this thread dampen your mood. The reality is that with everything we heard so far, this game's development is no more tumultuous than most other AAA games. The only difference is that most of the time news of that turmoil never hits the mainstream and tends to stay within the realm alcohol induced venting (like literally not a single article was written about how Visual Concepts basically imploded and lost about half their LA staff in 2018). Like it sucks and is an indictment of the industry that this poo poo is so common, but is in fact very common. The reality is that we won't actually know how good this game will be until we get close to release. Basic Chunnel fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Oct 22, 2020 |
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I said come in! posted:Bloodlines 2 will probably not be good? :/ I really want this to be a good game. Same, but I've gone from expecting it to be acceptable to good; to expecting it to be bad to maybe acceptable. No confidence, but I want it to be good. Or I'll just go play the original through the ocean house for the 30th time. Every time I start it back up I get maybe to downtown before I think "I've seen what I want from this again."
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Next year? geez. GOG says 12/31/2021
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GreenBuckanneer posted:Next year? geez. GOG says 12/31/2021 That one is certainly a placeholder.
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My neighbor's cousin's ex-wife's pool boy says it was delayed until 2024 for incorporate a Battle Royale mode.
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Cobbsprite posted:My neighbor's cousin's ex-wife's pool boy says it was delayed until 2024 for incorporate a Battle Royale mode. 100 Kindred Enter, 1 Kindred Leaves
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CottonWolf posted:100 Kindred Enter, 1 Kindred Leaves Diablerie Mode DLC.
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CottonWolf posted:100 Kindred Enter, 1 Kindred Leaves And one very tired Tzimisce is satisfied with a job well done.
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Is Vampyr any good? I got a 75% off coupon for it and I never played it. Honestly the gameplay videos didn't really excite me, but then again VtMB's gameplay isn't very exciting either. Is the story decent?
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Upmarket Mango posted:Is Vampyr any good? I got a 75% off coupon for it and I never played it. Honestly the gameplay videos didn't really excite me, but then again VtMB's gameplay isn't very exciting either. Is the story decent? I remember the gameplay getting stale about midway through, but I had fun.
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Upmarket Mango posted:Is Vampyr any good? I got a 75% off coupon for it and I never played it. Honestly the gameplay videos didn't really excite me, but then again VtMB's gameplay isn't very exciting either. Is the story decent? It's really padded with boring combat as you backtrack through respawning enemies. Also the core idea of balancing the health of districts, learning about characters, and choosing which ones to drain is mostly a failure, because most of the content you unlock by doing so is plain uninteresting. On the plus side, it is quite atmospheric, and at times it nails the archaic romantic vampire melodrama style.
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Upmarket Mango posted:Is Vampyr any good? I got a 75% off coupon for it and I never played it. Honestly the gameplay videos didn't really excite me, but then again VtMB's gameplay isn't very exciting either. Is the story decent? It's free on PS4 if you have PS+ right now, so you may as well grab it there if you're a PS4 haver. It has some decent writing and voice acting, though kinda eh gameplay. The whole social networks thing and hidden storylines aspect of it is decent, though.
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Vampyr is great if you played Bloodlines and thought "this is ENTIRELY too funny"
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I tried it and was just bored with the gameplay. And I'm a sucker for anything with vampires.
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Story and sidequests were alright but the combat was garbage.
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Kavak posted:Story and sidequests were alright but the combat was garbage. Not so different from the VtM games then.
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Angry Lobster posted:Not so different from the VtM games then. I like Bloodlines' stealth 
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Angry Lobster posted:Not so different from the VtM games then. Except flip the combat:story ratio upside down.
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Thanks for y'all chiming I think I'll just give it a pass.
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I was annoyed by how it repeated the classic Bioshock design mistake: "You can eat No it isn't, I'm going to play as a perfect good guy until either the game ends, in which case all the extra content is wasted, or until the game gets too hard and I must either change my roleplaying or uninstall. Being unable to continue the game is not a meaningful price to pay for roleplaying a good guy. To be clear, having good and evil paths in a videogame is totally fine, just don't tie your character's performance as a decent human being to your performance as a skilled player.
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I didn't play the game far enough to find out how well implemented the system was, but it seemed to make sense to me conceptually that a vampire who was feasting on blood all the time would be more powerful than one that was deliberately trying to avoid hurting anyone. Maybe it made the game unfun, but 'you're going to be a pretty lovely vampire if you don't drink blood' seems like a pretty common perspective for media about vampires to have.
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Sinteres posted:I didn't play the game far enough to find out how well implemented the system was, but it seemed to make sense to me conceptually that a vampire who was feasting on blood all the time would be more powerful than one that was deliberately trying to avoid hurting anyone. Maybe it made the game unfun, but 'you're going to be a pretty lovely vampire if you don't drink blood' seems like a pretty common perspective for media about vampires to have. It would have been far more interesting if the game said that you have to kill 5 people in this area to stop yourself from starving. And then the moral question would be something along the lines of, "this is a good person, but they don't keep the district running, this is a bad person, but their protection racket is the only thing stopping the area falling into chaos, which of them will you kill?"
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Oddly enough, Fable 3 is a fantastic example of doing this well despite its many other shortcomings. Picking the evil route caused everyone you meet to visibly live in squalor and generally dislike you by default; you could mostly overcome that on a person-by-person basis with time and effort and money (which you would have plenty of), showcasing the exact kind of intense wealth inequality that defines immoral capitalism in the first place. The only things it specifically locked you out of entirely were having positive interactions with specific high-minded NPCs who knew exactly how selfish you were and could not be individually bribed. You were still able to protect your kingdom from the big threat but it took additional investment to counteract your own act of sacking the populace. Arguably, doing so is an emergent and unintended example of the most abject evil: guaranteeing the continued suffering of the most people vs the blithe indifference that was natural to the route.
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Basic Chunnel posted:As has been said before, UE4 is not moddable. We’re going to get what we’re going to get. Basic Chunnel posted:This would be reassuring if Visual Concepts made good games people were happy with and enjoyed playing. That's a fair stance I suppose. Though strictly speaking I was only using them as an easy example that I 100% certain of the validity. Point is that this kinda of poo poo is disturbingly common and most of the time people outside the grapevines don't find out about it until some post-portem expose hits the news cycle a few years later. Also on the subject of Vampyr. It's a solid 7/10 game that's primarily held back by the fact that it's most interesting and engaging mechanics punish the player narratively. The game makes it clear that if you feed on Named NPCs and the world will react to their absence in a dynamic way. However the way the world reacts is narratively negative and since you get max benefits from feeding on them after you've learned more about their background it feels like a narrative gut punch to betray someone like. The alternative however, is to just not. The only benefit you get from it is more exp, but since the combat is sufficiently skill based, if you've beaten any DS game you'll probably be able to beat this without ever chewing on anyone. Plus you get the good ending. So like, the game creates this super interesting dynamic world system and them does its best to encourage you to never interact with it in any meaningful way. I don't think it's as bad people here make it out to be. Just don't expect anything super groundbreaking here. SweetBro fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Oct 23, 2020 |
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Zeta Acosta posted:vampyr is a dour and humorless game. That's the main thing I appreciated about it, it is an overwrought vampire melodrama, and it makes no concessions in that regard.
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Yeah, it is misery and angst in the most Victorian gothic horror way possible and in that regard it works brilliantly.
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NihilCredo posted:I was annoyed by how it repeated the classic Bioshock design mistake: "You can eat Didn't saving little sisters give you even more rewards through those packages than harvesting them did?
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lol if they've fired all the good writers/creatives and still have more than a year of dev time left. this is gonna be a trainwreck of massive proportions. def looking forward to pirating it and then uninstalling it after 30 mins of uninspired quests, bad writing and janky-rear end gameplay
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SweetBro posted:Just to go on the record to clarify this. It's not impossible to mod UE4 games. It's that it is considerably more difficult to do so (especially if you want to edit levels or add custom logic) and a lot more restrictive due to how Epic licenses their engine. Meaning that unless mod support is somehow a part of the game's primary business model (E.G. Something like privately hosted servers) it makes little sense in investing development time into it. On the plus side, some of the people are genuinely irredeemable, so i had no problem learning the depths of their shittiness before chowing down.
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Frekkie Melody posted:Didn't saving little sisters give you even more rewards through those packages than harvesting them did? I think you end up with slightly less over the course of the game, but yeah they basically chickened out on sticking with the theme of sacrificing your humanity for power by giving you power either way. I respect Vampyr for sticking to their guns, even if it leads to an unfun experience for some players--if you find that it's too difficult, just do the thing and eat some people imo. I don't really see how forcing you eat people from the start would be better, because then you end up in a Spec Ops: the Line situation, which people also complained about.
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https://twitter.com/crypticjordan/status/1320773003324448769 https://twitter.com/StillNotSam/status/1320772485831258113 Huh. To be honest, I kind of expected Paradox to give up on Hardsuit Labs given the obvious shitshow that is this game's development. But apparently they are actually planning for something after Bloodlines 2.
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