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Burt Sexual posted:What about those guys that burn people alive in cages?
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Feb 17, 2019 17:25
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Burning people is bad but the desire to defend your religion and people I can sympathize with
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Feb 17, 2019 17:27
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i remember reading a story during the height of the whole ISIS thing where chinooks would go way out into the middle of the desert in the dead of night and drop guys off on quads with long rifles and thermal optics and all that cool poo poo and they'd go merc any warm body with a gun at range and lol probably a fair number of sheep farmers got blapped along with the daesh grunts anyway gun violence is wack
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Feb 17, 2019 17:30
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Cops relinquish their personhood when they acquire the shield. They'll even tell you theyre what separates us from them
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Feb 17, 2019 17:32
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The White Dragon posted:banning guns will only go so far, the real core of the problem is mental illness. it needs to be addressed from many directions at once. we need to make mental health services more available and affordable to everyone who might need it. we need to destigmatize their use. we also need to further research treatment regimens and medications to establish an empirical standard rather than leaving it the field of soft science it currently is. Lol. "We need to destigmatize mental health research and treatment!" *describes the field as 'soft science'*
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Feb 17, 2019 17:40
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Is it really a mental illness to shoot your boss after he fires you?
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Feb 17, 2019 17:44
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maker posted:Lol. "We need to destigmatize mental health research and treatment!" *describes the field as 'soft science'* I mean... brains are complicated? We don't have fully analytical predictive models of what one given dose or molecule versus another will really result in, so I think that's what he means by that? It's not meant to be derogatory, although I guess in recent years STEMlords have cast enough unwarranted dispersions on those areas outside their field of appreciation and understanding I can see how one could feel that way.
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Feb 17, 2019 17:44
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soft science isn't an actual thing and I have mainly seen that term used in a derogatory sense. Some stemlords claim that being a "soft science" means that it is the easiest of the sciences and research monies should be spent in a more useful area like chemistry or engineering  quote:i won't make any accusations about what's causing our slow progress, but our current approach and cultural hangups over mental health treatments need to be reevaluated. maker fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Feb 17, 2019 |
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Feb 17, 2019 17:53
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maker posted:Lol. "We need to destigmatize mental health research and treatment!" *describes the field as 'soft science'* he makes a point that the real core of the problem is mental illness and the rest of his post supports that statement better than anything else ive ever seen maker posted:soft science isn't an actual thing gary oldmans diary fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Feb 17, 2019 |
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Feb 17, 2019 18:04
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Well even by that definition it is still not a soft science. In both psychopathology and general psychology there's both quanatative and qualitative research.quote:Qualitative research is empirical research where the data are not in the form of numbers (Punch, 1998, p. 4).Qualitative researchers use a variety of methods to develop deep understandings of how people perceive their social realities and in consequence, how they act within the social world. quote:Quantitative research gathers data in a numerical form which can be put into categories, or in rank order, or measured in units of measurement. This type of data can be used to construct graphs and tables of raw data. Quantitative researchers aim to establish general laws of behavior and phenonomon across different settings/contexts. Research is used to test a theory and ultimately support or reject it. I don't know if this is what you're referring to but it was I was thinking of when you said " a soft science is one where you cant simply measure a quantified result" I am not discussing the content of the post merely the use of the word soft-science to describe the field of psychology and mental health. It is counterproductive because the definition of the word itself and the way many people interpret it are two different things. To some the field's research and findings are discredited by it being refereed to as a soft. maker fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Feb 17, 2019 |
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Feb 17, 2019 18:15
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psychology has built up a lot of data over time either way im not responsible for the term/phrase. im just a messenger
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Feb 17, 2019 18:20
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Perhaps if getting therapy wasn’t behind a paywall. Even with insurance, a single visit can still cost $100 or more if you haven’t hit your deductible. Or even if you have hit it because some insurance policies are lovely, especially for people with low paying jobs or students, who incidentally are the people who just might need these services the most.
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Feb 17, 2019 18:39
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A talk with your local clergyman is always free, and that's what these shooters really need.
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Feb 17, 2019 18:42
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Salem Saberhagen posted:A talk with your local clergyman is always free, and that's what these shooters really need. The only people who believe in Jesus any more are the ones who think He wants them to kill people.
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Feb 17, 2019 18:43
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Therapy isn't really available to like 95% of working class people. It's expensive, unless you find someone who will do a sliding scale. Good luck if you're outside of a larger urban area. It's time consuming - finding a therapist you click with and then going to see them weekly (or more) is rough. While I agree that psychology etc. isnt a 'soft science,' we are basically barely scratching the surface of what we know and understand about the brain and mental wellness. Out in the world, for every professional there are at least 5 crystal magic woo people. There is still a huge social stigma. Coworkers might give you poo poo if they find out. Your job security might be threatened. This anxiety is not considered or written off by middle class types but it is very real. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Feb 17, 2019 |
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Feb 17, 2019 18:59
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maker posted:To some the field's research and findings are discredited by it being refereed to as a soft. well thos peeple should WISENT HE FUK UP 
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Feb 17, 2019 19:03
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Also therapy will only help so much. When you are fundamentally a serf and living under constant anxiety that you're a step away from homelessness and death in the gutter then brains will get broken. If you're middle class it helps more. If you're poor then therapy can't fix your poverty which is likely the source of most of your issues.
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Feb 17, 2019 19:06
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It's almost like people shouldn't have to worry about basic needs being met and then they maybe wouldn't shoot up their workplace idk.
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Feb 17, 2019 19:08
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Moridin920 posted:Therapy isn't really available to like 95% of working class people. The parts I bolded for sure. My SO has been in therapy for years, and the number of shrinks who only do appointments M-F, 9am-4pm is insane - working people can't take off work once a week, once every two weeks, or even once a month for that kind of poo poo. Also, the loving New Agers are a threat to the entire discipline.
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Feb 17, 2019 19:10
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Moridin920 posted:Also therapy will only help so much. When you are fundamentally a serf and living under constant anxiety that you're a step away from homelessness and death in the gutter then brains will get broken. This. If this dude had shot a billionaire for closing his factory we'd all be sympathetic, he just thought too small. Anyone who feels genuine rage that the forces of capitalism have defined their existence as unnecessary is labeled "mentally ill" - another victory for the status quo.
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Feb 17, 2019 19:23
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Just don't get broke brain. It's as simple as that. That extends to not letting others get broke brain, and the way to do that is to never conceive. If you have broke brain, and you do manage to conceive, your child will absolutely have broke brain. So, in conclusion, if you have broke brain, chop off your own balls.
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Feb 17, 2019 19:38
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BuckarooBanzai posted:This. If this dude had shot a billionaire for closing his factory we'd all be sympathetic, he just thought too small. Anyone who feels genuine rage that the forces of capitalism have defined their existence as unnecessary is labeled "mentally ill" - another victory for the status quo. Yeah but no matter how unfairly you've been treated by the system killing random coworkers who are subject to the same poo poo deal as you is kind of a dick move, right? I mean god I hope so.
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Feb 17, 2019 19:41
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Shooting your boss is actually the opposite of broke brains: it's woke brains
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Feb 17, 2019 19:42
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broke: shooting the innocent woke: shooting the guilty
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Feb 17, 2019 19:45
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So did this guy turn the gun on himself at the end of it or Nope he got arrested and now we are going to have a long trial and prison sentence because ??? Like he did the right thing by killing people but now he too needs to die. Like everyone just needs to die. Desensitize suicide and mass murder just like in Fartnite
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Feb 17, 2019 19:46
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Sjs00 posted:So did this guy turn the gun on himself at the end of it or He dead. Think the police shot him.
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Feb 17, 2019 19:48
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LabyaMynora posted:He dead. Think the police shot him. Okay good. We all need to just stop existing though frfr Why are pregnancies so great? It's just another stupid hairless ape that's gonna consume processed meat until too fat to loving move
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Feb 17, 2019 19:48
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Sjs00 posted:Okay good. We all need to just stop existing though frfr please dont doxx me
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Feb 17, 2019 19:50
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Feb 17, 2019 19:55
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arguing with and brow beating my lazy and/or incompetent supervisors probably saved me not only from doing lots of tiresome work but lots of tiresome shootings in the blue collar days
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Feb 17, 2019 19:57
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Relayer posted:Yeah but no matter how unfairly you've been treated by the system killing random coworkers who are subject to the same poo poo deal as you is kind of a dick move, right? I mean god I hope so. He was aiming to kill the company. Unfortunately, a company is made up of people
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Feb 17, 2019 20:01
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maker posted:Lol. "We need to destigmatize mental health research and treatment!" *describes the field as 'soft science'* "We need to destigmatize mental health!" *says mental illness makes you a violent murderer*
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Feb 17, 2019 20:09
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tmm3k posted:...excuse me... holy poo poo dude 
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Feb 17, 2019 20:13
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Who What Now posted:"We need to destigmatize mental health!" *says mental illness makes you a violent murderer* Yeah it's the treatment part that needs a fresh look I think
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Feb 17, 2019 20:31
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You know, if you shoot your coworkers and four cops in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was their soul escaping from the body.
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Feb 17, 2019 21:05
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Relayer posted:Yeah but no matter how unfairly you've been treated by the system killing random coworkers who are subject to the same poo poo deal as you is kind of a dick move, right? I mean god I hope so. Yes, absolutely. But serious question how would you feel if he saved his bullets for a board meeting?
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Feb 17, 2019 21:17
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I am Toni Lippi posted:You know, if you shoot your coworkers and four cops in the dead of winter, steam will rise up from the wounds. Indians believed it was their soul escaping from the body. That's bullshit. Cops don't have souls.
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Feb 17, 2019 21:39
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Moridin920 posted:
I agree with the rest of your post but not this. There has been enormous strides of understanding from a scientific perspective in regards mental illness/wellness, social behavior, and the brain. These should not be discounted. Comparing contemporary psychology with the psychology of the 70s, it is quite different. We certainly don’t know everything but there’s a multitude of scientific theories, not hypothesis, that are related to these things. The thing with psych research is that it explains tendencies, not absolutes, of human behavior. There’s so much variation of environment and biology that finding research that says “this occurs 100% of the time to all humans” is highly irregular. Research has figured out many of these tendencies however there is certainly a huge gap in how this research is disseminated and acted upon by public officials and citizens. You can solve all the social and biological problems in academia, I don’t think the field struggles with this. It struggles with having its research understood, implemented, and acted upon by the general public. For instance; regarding mental well being, it is quite clear in the literature that being outside in nature is associated with all sorts of positive outcomes for mental and social wellbeing. However, good luck getting a policy implemented that allows for these spaces to exist. Or getting a law passed that allows people to actually spend time in nature. I believe that most public figures don’t even consider psychological well being when it comes to modifying or constructing new towns. Let alone read about it In other words quote:Out in the world, for every professional there are at least 5 crystal magic woo people maker fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Feb 17, 2019 |
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Feb 17, 2019 21:45
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BuckarooBanzai posted:Yes, absolutely. But serious question how would you feel if he saved his bullets for a board meeting? It would depend on the specific culpability or actions of the people in the board meeting I guess. Like, I hate the lovely dehumanizing effects of capitalism, but I also hate the dehumanizing effect of.... killing somebody.
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tmm3k posted:...excuse me...
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