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CaveGrinch posted:Or there’s Liz Warren who seems to make the most sense. literally every one of liz's plans is 'what if bernie, but worse', from her medical plan with an absurdly high cap for what patients pay to her weird 'no child left behind, but hospitals too' reform idea, to her tax plan. She has no actual better ideas.
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'I don't get it, we ran someone who was as disliked as trump, who refused to go to loving wisconson as part of some crazy mind game, who spent most of the campaign preaching to the choir that trump was a meanie and that better things can't happen, and felt so entitled to a win she spent more time trying to rack up the score in California or thinking Texas will turn blue in her massive wake than she spent in the 'blue wall'...and she lost?' 'fuckin bernie bros am I right guys?'
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Aug 19, 2019 21:55
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Also remember that there was a concerted Russian effort to affect votes in the swing states that won the election for Trump. You can't chalk it up to some electoral masterstroke when the election was won by 40,000 votes in ~12 rural districts when even the government now admits that the Russians had the ability to alter votes in the 2016 election and the Trump campaign shared their voter data and strategy with the Russians who had house-by-house detail on voters from Cambridge Analytica/Facebook. I mean, at the end of the day the Russian effort was dumb facebook poo poo that was actually kinda small potatoes, there were no votes changed. We have that happen a lot in elections, most candidates are good enough to handle that but Hillary's campaign was so anemic that yea some dipshits in Russia spamming "HILLARY MURDERS BALD EAGLE FOR SEXUAL PLEASURE?????" stories hurt her.
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Corky Romanovsky posted:Maybe you missed the part where Bernie said electing him is not enough. I can understand if you hear Bernie talking about real solutions to real problems and your brain shuts off because you are accustomed to shitlib rhetoric. What do you think he could do to keep your attention better such that he may actually reach people like you? seriously imagine saying that when Joe Biden literally, with no plan or policy or whatever, said electing him would lead to a cure for cancer. He's a month away from saying 'if I were president I'd simply do good things and not bad ones joe biden 302719403'
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Alhazred posted:So why is this thread suddenly about a politician who hasn't been covered in the last few episodes? probably because the show frequently ignores actual progressives working for change in favor of just what amounts to problem porn? Not just Sanders but it'd be great if Oliver would talk about, say, the justice democrats and their fight with some lovely establishment types or whatever.
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rujasu posted:Does the show really discuss any Democrats and/or progressives in the US though? Their whole thing is talking about who/what the problems are, and they stay out of the business of who should be fixing said problems. Which, I certainly prefer them staying out of the business of advocating for specific candidates to the Samantha Bee approach. I mean, yea Bee sucks but there's a huge gap between advocating for solving the problems and sitting down with Glenn Beck to hug him and welcome him to the resistance because he (for like a week) said he didn't like Trump.
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DC Murderverse posted:so are we going to start seeing a huge rash of Chinese incel violence in a few years? like, in this country there are actually more women than men and we still have a bunch of disaffected lonely young men who believe they're never going to have a sexual relationship because of genetics, imagine if there actually were millions more men than women here. generally when a bunch of men fail at pick-up artisting that is the next step. you get a gold star for weirdest takeaway, congrats
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Oct 7, 2019 23:47
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Narcissus1916 posted:Was I the only one who didn't care for the piece on Tucker? I kept waiting for them to dig into WHY Tucker is in some ways worse than other Fox News' talking heads but... nope it was really boring and pointless because yea it just was normal 'guys did you know this guy sucks???' that can apply to any fox news freak without actually touching on what he actually did to be straight up proudly connected to actual white nationalist groups and poo poo. It's basically typical Oliver stuff, not bad but just really basic level. It's like how in his anti-Asian stuff he focused entirely on the 'china virus' poo poo which obviously was garbage, but completely ignored the much more bipartisan issues like the constant anti-China poo poo treating an entire nation as some hive of tricky 'others' out to hurt us and all.
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This was a fine episode but Oliver's schtick of 'acknowledging the problem without looking at the root cause because this is still a show entirely run by the capitalist class' really shone when he tried to do the whole 'debt timeline' to show the republicans don't care about the debt when they're in charge (correct) but kinda glossed over Clinton and Obama both being major welfare gutters just like the republicans he was condemning.
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Economics is fake because money is fake and is just a manifestation of political power. The US is the main economic political power so the rules of economics are whatever we say they are. The debt is equally fake because it's not real 'debt', it's not like China or Japan or the domestic bond holders literally can 'call in our debt', there's no actual mechanic to do so and even if there was when you're the global bank 'debt being called in' just means you get more of the fake play money you're saying we owe you to trade with us and ours. That's why it's such a farce when the democrats sop to the 'deficit hawks' every loving time, it's literally the global scale version of some six year old saying 'you can't go through the yard, it's lava now' and you genuinely spending four years of your life trying to build a lava proof bridge to get across the yard', sure that kid is being dumb but you're way dumber for treating their dumb made up game as real.
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John really needs to stop doing intro stories and just jump into the main focus. Him boiling the NYC mayor race down to 'lol so weird' and ignoring poo poo like the cop dude he focused on the apartment thing with also literally wanting to fire most of NYC's teachers because 'virtual learning means one teacher can teach hundreds' and other true psycho poo poo.
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Jun 14, 2021 13:28
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Just actually watched the Jon Stewart clip and it has big Blue MAGA energy... he was always a dumb piece of poo poo (dude loved gay and trans jokes and was genuinely a complete credulous rube to the point where he believed loving Bill O'Riley was a genuine good faith actor and all) and had the moral backbone of a slug but yea this is a new level even for him
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Jun 16, 2021 22:42
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Pilfered Pallbearers posted:This is the stupidest thing I’ve seen in a very long time. 'may we see the credible information?' 'no. Also if we don't find anything China clearly destroyed the proof'
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banned from Starbucks posted:It's almost like you can think both things are bad at the same time. Hard to imagine but it's true. No whistleblowers were silenced, the one example of this is one person who, while multiple other doctors were being actively lauded by the government for saying 'hey this Covid-19 thing could be an issue', was running around telling people to panic and not listen to lockdown advisories and such. The Chinese government was literally working with various doctors as soon as it became clear this was a proper outbreak and not just a few cases. Pilfered Pallbearers posted:Again, strawman bullshit. There have been multiple investigations that have said 'this virus has behaved exactly like a natural virus including plotting a course through known bat territory and such' and the response is 'yea but china lies', that's not critical thinking that's, in fact, conspiracy bullshit.
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Jun 17, 2021 01:41
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LividLiquid posted:We *needed* Jon Stewart. He got Americans away from Reagan and Bush in a way that let the next generation kill that and become actual leftists. yea the guy who constantly had Newt Gingrich on to jack off about how the queers and blacks need to be removed from society really gave birth to the leftist movement by going 'come on' a couple times before thanking him and inviting him back again. He had no fuckin issues with Bush during the war lead up, when he was eager to mock anti-war people and present idiots going 'dur we gotta kill em for 9/11' as smart people willing to make the hard choices. Funny enough I went looking for that clip and instead found one in 2005 where he was STILL making GBS threads on anti-war people for being so dumb and saying things like 'racism is bad' https://www.cc.com/video/3f9bp8/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-headlines-march-of-the-peaceniks This was the same guy who's stupid little 'rally for sanity' literally involved saying calling someone racist was just as bad as them saying the n-word.
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so in that pile of 'maybe don't eat bat lungs you savages (not saying they do that)' and fluff what do you actually WANT? There's no evidence, you're saying 'ah there's no evidence YET' and just doing the literal Simpsons joke of 'I have conjecture and circumstantial things, those are KINDS of evidence'. Are we supposed to just keep investigating until we find evidence (and who is 'we' by the way since large amounts of American lawmakers have decided the WHO is too soft on China because...they found no evidence of a lab leak...)? That's the issue with this, it's a deeply inquisitorial mindset where the only options for China are 'you're guilty' or 'you've lied to hide your guilt', at what point do we look at the multiple sources saying 'yea this doesn't fit a lab leak at all' and go 'oh, okay'?
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Jun 17, 2021 21:22
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DogsInSpace! posted:I hate to see goons fighting about something but I get how touchy the subject is. I got an idea: Let's just suppose it was America that was the OG source of the virus. Watching the television and let's say I saw legit Canadian and British news that had people saying "outbreak started in Florida." Nice group of scientists from multiple countries decide "hey let's look into where it came from and why" and the US says nope. US says "we totally did the research and yeah it wasn't us or it was something minor and we are totes good" while not letting those non US scientists only look at the research they gathered beforehand would be sketchy as gently caress. If the head of this international group of scientists had a long established relationship with the US and said "yea we can believe them and thumbs up" I would still remain skeptical. Especially since the US has a past history of doing shady poo poo for a looooooong time. Even more if the Cheeto had declared himself president for life and began a semi open ethnic cleansing of ...let's say native americans. That is how I look at it. Do I want going to war with the US in this situation? No but we shouldn't just be like "whoops - let's just move on." China has allowed multiple government and non-government inspections into the lab to investigate and they've all said the same thing. The only counter being made has been 'well, China lies' which is not actual evidence. Why shouldn't we 'just move on' and why is it a binary between that and 'war' for you? Do you...do you think America has any chance of winning that war? This is such a weird thing to be glib about. "Yea I'm not saying I want to see americans just meatgrinder'd in the name of a weird conspiracy theory but we can't just move on".
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DogsInSpace! posted:Ack sorry - I hope I am misinformed and more than willing to admit it. Can you provide links please? Hoping with proper information we can end the hostilities. At least on here. The shows I watched were mainstream Canadian and British so I foolishly hoped the interviews were legit. Like multiple shows. Just goes to show how easy it is to be part of the problem and I apologise. Here's an article about a WHO inspection that wrapped up earlier this year that restated the lack of any evidence of a lab leak in the area, with the only counter arguments being the US going 'uuuh we'd like to review it' https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-who-china/whos-wuhan-probe-ends-u-s-china-bickering-over-covid-continues-idUSKBN2AA15W This is the woman who's literally the head of the division in question, who has a nothing but stellar reputation for working with these types of diseases from a health focus rather than a political one, further saying that there's no evidence of the 'lab leak theory' and actively inviting any group who'd like to inspect it, with again the only counter being western communities being all 'well what if it did though' and 'china lies though' https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/china/covid-wuhan-lab-leak-china-b1865627.html She also touches on the very important element that she and her lab are being demanded to prove a negative with this nonsense. You can't say 'well prove it DIDN'T come from here', you have to have actual evidence of it coming from there to present!
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If you want a good exercise on it you can just imagine if Stewart had gone on the show and had this exact same rant but for the 'Lyme Disease is a government creation' conspiracy theory, which has the exact same amount of 'evidence' to it. Lab in the area where the biggest outbreaks are known to be from? Check. Kinda vaguely sinister out of context sounding 'disease research' being done in the lab? Check. A government with a history of covering things up that make it look bad? Check. No actual evidence to point to but a lot of 'well you can't 100% say it DIDN'T'? Check.
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DogsInSpace! posted:Thank you. I also did some additional looking and…I’m sorry I contributed to the problem. I found out one of the shows I watched was the American show 20/20 which had a snippet from that Pompeo guy. <sigh> it’s so easy to get fed bs even when trying to avoid the obvious grifters. So do you guys think this is just the US trying to create Cold War V. 2.0? <sigh again> Just hope they don’t blow up the rest of us as I actually like my silly rear end home, flaws and all. I'm sorry for taking an aggro tone right away, then. It's obviously a bit frustrating to hear people seemingly actively ignore basic logic to instead trust guys like Mike Pompeo going 'nah trust me they did it' but I'm genuinely glad you actually did some reading on it despite me being pissy about it, so thanks.
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On topic since there was a new episode and all, I had no idea PACE poo poo even exist and Jesus how was this ever approved? We're just gonna keep finding these absurd Obama era programs that boil down to 'we're a friendly, diverse, program meant to fight inequality and global warming (btw this entire thing is run by five different hedge funds that will bleed you dry in fees and interest if you even look at the forms)' aren't we?
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Stare-Out posted:So clearly if there are banjos, finger snaps and hand claps playing during a commercial, it's particularly egregious bullshit. unless it's for a barbecue place, probably
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the most Jon Oliver thing ever is to simply gloss over 'oh yea Cuomo is a sexual predator and isn't going anywhere' to instead spend his opening segment being outraged that those dang Russians weren't 'really' banned. Who gives a poo poo about that, why would he even spend any time making sure 'banned countries get a clearer asterisk'?
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Jesus that episode was such classic Last Week Tonight, a fairly good deep dive into the history of an issue ending with 'uuuuh vote I guess'. Like, you can't acknowledge how 'frustrating' it is to be told to 'just vote' and also say we need to be like Republicans while completely blowing past the fact that when Republicans vote they actually get what they want. Like, he didn't at all touch poo poo like Pelosi saying 'anti-abortion democrats are welcome' and poo poo like Clyburn coming in from out of state to shove his nose in a Texas race to protect an anti-abortion dem from a progressive challenger, and I was wondering why until the end with the 'well maybe we just need to keep voting for the dems' and it was just 'oh, right, when democrats fail us it's them just being too shy to do the right thing and we clearly just need to keep supporting them'.
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Pilfered Pallbearers posted:Sorry but you’re wrong. oops birth control is illegal
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Xarn posted:People voted for them, is your country run differently? most other countries have more than a 2 party system that allows for these freaks and perverts to get kinda shuffled into their own weird side of things and the central party doesn't have to tell people we just have to keep electing Manchin because woof imagine how bad a REPUBLICAN would be in that seat, I mean he may do something insane like stymie abortion rights or spend months slowly killing basic things like infrastructure bills and child tax credits that were massively popular and the loss of them directly led to a cratering of approval for the dems as a party. Pilfered Pallbearers posted:This is a dumb line of argument and you loving know it. if we had fifty we could have a big nation wide pizza party! Who cares when the dem leadership is actively campaigning, right now, for multiple anti-choice dems and Pelosi is on the record saying they're welcome in the party? The party platform is functionally that abortion rights aren't 'deal breakers', why should we be obligated to vote for them if they matter to us? We have people like Manchin because dem leadership actively nurtures and protects them vs dragging them into a back room and (figuratively) beating them with a folding chair until they vote like actual useful party members. Basically to answer both posts at once, in most countries with actual representative parties party leadership would have told Manchin 'vote for this loving bill or we're going to start looking into how your moron daughter made so much money on insulin, or check out how your multiple coal mines did for you while you were scuttling infrastructure talks' and not had these cutesy little 'lol I guess Manchin's the REAL president huh' jokes and just jerked him off. sexpig by night fucked around with this message at 13:00 on May 12, 2022 |
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https://twitter.com/GBBranstetter/status/1524439394383544322 here's what the guys we voted for have been doing, making purely cruel changes to a bill they knew would always fail. They keep saying poo poo like 'well this gets them ON RECORD voting against abortion rights' but A) who gives a poo poo we all already knew about republican views on that poo poo, and B) regarding Manchin's no, so what? Is the leadership going to stop supporting him now that he's ON RECORD? Are they going to support a primary challenger for him? He is ON RECORD now after all. Of course not, because again, Pelosi has literally said anti abortion people are welcome in the party, Joe Biden spent most of his political life strongly against abortion (including amazing quotes like 'I don't think it's only the woman's choice, no'), so what's the point of putting these people ON RECORD if they're fully in line with democratic party views anyway?
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Xarn posted:Buddy, my country is currently ruled by a 5 party coalition. The only reason that various single issue freaks don't have a lot of power is that the 5 parties together are ~108/200 votes, if they had few less than we would have the exactly same issue. In fact we've had this issue two (?) cycles back, where the ruling 2 party coalition had literally 101 votes. if you can find some non-corrupt politicians by all means go hog wild but yea I'll be satisficed with a party leadership that uses pressure for good ends rather than what they currently use it for. Like, when was the last time dem leadership used their influence at all? When Pelosi made AOC cry and undo a symbolic non-vote for the loving Iron Dome funding? Tiggum posted:It seems like American political parties are way more nebulous than in normal countries. Like, you can just say you're in a party and they can't stop you or kick you out? And if you want to run for a particular office as that party's candidate, you can just have a bunch of people (who may or may not also have to say they're members of that party) vote for you to be the candidate, and if the rest of the party doesn't like it that's too bad for them? And if you manage to get elected then you can do whatever the gently caress you like and no one can kick you out of the party or make you toe the line? Am I wrong about this? Functionally no. I think by the rules as written you can be kicked out but the worst you see is stuff like having committee seats/chairmanship revoked by the party, I can't remember anyone in either party who was actually removed from the party, a few people got forced to resign/kicked out of office and functionally disavowed but they were still in the party. There's mechanisms for elections, the congressional funding orgs and all, in the past the dems tried to say they'd refuse to use the democratic congressional committee's resources to help candidates who are primarying sitting members but I think they backed off that in some degree when people went 'wait so functionally you're just opposed to the concept of a primary?' and they had to scramble a bit. But yea, the parties are both ~big tents~ yet somehow the republicans manage to deliver for their base consistently in a unified way even with nominally 'weaker' members like Romney and Collins and all.
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Madison Cawthorne spilled the beans about coke orgies and now the entire right wing media and political machine is trying to turn one of the most openly fascist die hard trump lovers in congress into a big gay secret lib but we can't tell Manchin to get in loving line if he wants to keep the gravy train going.
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rujasu posted:Couple of years, not months. They can't get the WH until then. oh, that's fine then
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How does this fit into the 'just keep voting' math, anyway? https://twitter.com/nataliewsj/status/1524773334382264320 This district has been blue for 20 loving years, he's not some Manchin 'aw gee but what if a republican wins and does the exact same stuff but with the wrong team jersey on???' situation, and yet the democratic leadership, even literally as they talk about 'protecting' RvW, is actively defending a loving criminal who's anti-abortion.
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May 12, 2022 18:18
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Yea, the show itself has some great bits like the duck stamp poo poo and all but honestly Oliver works way better when he's talking about absurd news rather than trying to put out serious topics and kinda shrugging and going 'uh, yea, sucks huh?' Like, I get he probably feels he'd be wasting his platform just being a silly news roundup and I understand that but gently caress did I laugh way harder at 'Rocks' than I did at any of his regular shows this month.
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Alhazred posted:The bit is silly, but at the same time it's kinda hosed up how America has an eugenic stonehenge. yea it's not 'hard journalism' but tbh it was genuinely interesting to learn that bit of horrible history. We fuckin love eugenics though yea, you can trace like half our early 20th century monuments/displays back to some dude who thought the Irish were polluting our gene pool.
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Kyte posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf4cea5oObY I mean, I'm sure this sounds shitposty but no unless the conclusion is 'and that's why we have a judicial, political, and general moral obligation to completely dismantle the american system of policing and replace it with a better one and no amount of political cowardice will change that' then he's coming up pretty short of the actual takeaway to all that. Like, yea, he criticizes that specific guy's class but doesn't seem interested in explaining why that class even exists at all
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glad John decided to simultaneously explain why cases are massively undercounted and hard to nail down while also spreading the completely unfounded 'well maybe the queers should stop loving so much' talking point and downplaying the surface and air particulate spread factor. Really rich for him to tut-tut at the right wingers jumping hard on it to do poo poo like spread the 'gay pedophiles' poo poo but also explain it as 'it's mainly affecting men who have sex with men and I guess kinda sorta it can spread other ways' and making sure to say 'it's not homophobic to recognize who's suffering from it' while also saying how impossible it is to loving KNOW who's being affected. Oh well, he got a sick rear end burn on Marjorie Taylor Greene for saying the same thing he was saying about it mainly spreading among gay people. Also love him just kinda teasingly calling Fauchi 'the Forest Gump of pandemics' and not maybe drawing a link to how he handled AIDS and how the government is handling Monkeypox and all. God this whole thing was just perfect John Oliver, he got his super sick dunks in but also praised a monkeypox health PSA that exclusively focused on 'wash your fetish gear' and 'stop loving so much, queers' as 'perfect' because a gay politician with a snappy tweet did it.
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When you're doing loving ten tests a day you can't make a model of 'who's most at risk' at all, at best you can draw an extremely weak trend from what little you have and make MUCH more broad assumptions like 'people with multiple sex partners' which they are not doing. There is nothing that makes monkeypox more transmittable among the gay communities at all, this isn't like when they point out an outbreak of a disease a community with low vaccination rates as being something to especially try to target or something, it's 100% pure confirmation bias of 'well we assume it's mainly gay guys getting it, so we test and treat mainly gay guys, so now all our cases are gay guys'. If someone said a disease with no racial component like monkeypox mainly put black people at risk because Africa has outbreaks most people would rightly go 'wait you're kinda self-selecting there', and yes the CDC and other groups for sure knows what image they're putting out with "Remember queers, wash your fetish gear uwu~" PSAs. Also, again, he just completely dismissed surface and spit transmission as 'well some cases also involve this' when taken as a whole global scale monkeypox spreads that way incredibly commonly, which is just actively downplaying basic facts about the virus to focus on 'the gays having too much sex'.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:He also reminded us of the time he gave out health recommendations at the start of the covid pandemic which in hindsight were really dumb (advising that hand washing was the main way to stay safe) so he's two for two! you'd think he'd be pumped for a plague that actually has a not-short surface life and can be spread through aerosolized particles, we can go back to the days when washing our pizza boxes was smart and cautious! Come on, John, you can do a little song about how good it is to Lysol your Amazon packages if you stop assuming these thousands of cases aren't just dirty queers not washing their dildoes! https://twitter.com/Monkeypoxtally/status/1556757490594873344 (don't worry Andy Ngo is in the comments spreading CDC approved Just Asking Questions if a likely completely made up 'street sex festival' caused these thousands to get it)
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