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I felt like the automation bit was a weirdly shallow dive, almost like they went in with an angle that didn't really pan out and just decided to run with what they had. Most of the automation that takes place isn't swapping a person for a robot, it's using software to do 1/3 of the responsibilities of 3 people, then getting rid of one of them and splitting what's left between the remaining 2. This type of automation is going to affect white collar professions just as much as factory employees.
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Orange Devil posted:And besides what you are talking about here is abolishing capitalism What the hell are you talking about? Hours and hours of the time of white collar workers is spent waiting to be useful. This isn't uncharted territory.
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Jul 5, 2019 00:48
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I'm not sure why you're so fixated on next-day delivery as the root of this problem. Amazon and other warehousing jobs sucked way before next-day delivery was commonplace. People would still be working third shift to get your packages to your door in two/three/four days, there just will be fewer of them getting squeezed just as much. The reason your solution blows is that you think the invisible hand of the free market will fix the plight of the warehouse worker if only the state could save the midnight Oreo buyers from themselves. How about instead empowering your regulatory agencies to set meaningful work limitations so that the picker grabbing your Oreos gets to wait until another order pops up in her zone rather than walking clear across the warehouse to save their boss half a penny.
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Jul 5, 2019 15:26
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Orange Devil posted:Is that really an accurate representation of what I've said? Yes, because for whatever reason you think that a ban on next day shipping (the enforcement of which is laughable even to think about) would suddenly lead to these retailers deciding that they really ought to care about their workers a bit more. It's not going to happen. They'll get rid of some of their workforce and squeeze the remaining employees just as hard because there is a profit motive to do so. What would actually change that is legislation to limit the ability of companies to treat their employees like highly dexterous and easily replaceable robots.
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Jul 5, 2019 19:46
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Orange Devil posted:Are you just going to keep ignoring my point that a real contributor to the shittiness of these jobs is next day delivery, regardless of how squeezed employees are getting? Sky-high pick counts, long walks between items, poor ergonomics, and unforgiving metric-based termination were all a part of the Amazon experience long before they were touting free next-day delivery for Prime members. If you want to say more people experience it now because next-day delivery requires more employees than two-day delivery, then we agree, but the underlying experience of each one of those employees is likely as lovely as it was before. So, for the third time, the solution is not some dumb, arbitrary limitation on shipping speed that could never be enforced. It's to set limits on what you can ask a human being to do in a warehouse context.
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Jul 5, 2019 21:30
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Orange Devil posted:2. Less walking and dayshifts rather than nightshifts means the underlying experience is likely less lovely than before. Even if still lovely. Are you under the impression that second and third shift didn't exist in warehouses until Amazon popularized next-day shipping? Orange Devil posted:And this way is? By setting limitations and empowering regulatory agencies to enforce them with fines, warehouse shutdowns, and prison time in extreme cases. Then you let them figure out if they can still make it work. Baronash fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Jul 5, 2019 |
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Jul 5, 2019 22:26
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And when I say limitations, I mean actual limitations to work output per person. Not some arbitrary limitation on services a company can offer that you think might trick their efficiency algorithms into making life better for their pickers.
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Jul 5, 2019 22:34
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Orange Devil posted:Most of the warehouses of the company I work for (which is a 3PL focused solely on warehousing) don't run night shifts at all, or only run small night shifts during a few peak months. Except the ones doing e-commerce with next day delivery, those are build around evening and night shifts. So that's the impression I'm under. Those same e-commerce companies were running night shifts for 2 day shipping and 3-5 day shipping before that. None of this is new, holy poo poo. Orange Devil posted:You guys are coming in with "man, we should really regulate warehousing companies to improve the lives of their workers" and I'm giving you one example of a specific, actionable way to do that, and you insist we shouldn't even try to do that but should strive for vague generalities instead. No shelves below waist height. Stepladders placed every x feet. Assigning pickers to zones that they don't operate outside of for a given length of time, thereby limiting distance between each pick. 72 hours notice for cancelled shifts. Redesigning scanners and other equipment to reduce RSI. This is all poo poo I would have liked when I worked warehouse. Let's start there. Baronash fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Jul 5, 2019 |
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Jul 5, 2019 23:17
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Orange Devil posted:I mean, I'm the one doing the calculations and figuring out what is possible, but ok. "My company can't exist unless I grind my employees into a fine paste. This is a problem with my customers and not my business. I'm at the whims of the market, you see."
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Jul 5, 2019 23:27
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Orange Devil posted:Oliver recommending voting machines with a paper trail was very cringe. An optical scanner is still a voting machine, and the bill Oliver is talking about covers those as well. Unless you’re actually suggesting hand counting ballots, which is a massive undertaking.
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Nov 5, 2019 02:13
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Corky Romanovsky posted:And without the requirement to install voting hardware at polling places, a barrier to setting up more polling places is reduced. This isn't a barrier. The infrastructure to train and organize tens of thousands of temporary poll workers every single election is the real cost of polling places, not the machines you buy once a decade. The lack of polling places isn't an accident. It's a feature of the system and is rooted in racism and silencing progressive voices. Senor Tron posted:One of the ways that counting is made secure is by having candidates able to put nominate scrutineers. Those scrutineers have the right to be witness to basically any stage of the whole process except for the actual vote casting itself (since we have a secret ballot). Poll watchers in the US are allowed to do the same thing.
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Nov 5, 2019 15:18
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Groovelord Neato posted:Jack Thompson. There's no "dumb quirk." Hulk Hogan's sex tape wasn't newsworthy, and Gawker got its poo poo rightfully pushed in for publishing it (and being dipshits in court). Are you really arguing the investigative bona fides of a gossip rag?
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Nov 12, 2019 23:32
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Azhais posted:The realist in me says the December 2024 episode will be a review of the failed 4 year saga to replace Ginsburg. "We can't possibly appoint a new judge to the bench with the midterms just a short two years away."
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Feb 10, 2020 18:03
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Lurdiak posted:Conan and Colbert were loving golden when they had no audience or staff. That was visibly Conan’s strong suit even before the Writers Strike. John just seems too married to his format to deviate from it at all.
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SlothfulCobra posted:It's one of those situations where there's all sorts of laws and rules, but they all require somebody to move to enforce them, and it's not entirely clear whose duty that would be. If somebody just decides to entirely ignore the laws and rules, it takes effort to bring them back into line. It's not like anyone arrested Ted Cruise for illegally seeking the nomination for which he was not eligible. This doesn't really matter because lol at the idea of a plurality of Americans ever pulling a lever for Ted Cruz, but he very much was eligible to be President by virtue of being born to an American citizen. It's also a provision we really ought to remove.
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Apr 21, 2020 03:37
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Tiggum posted:Just ban rental. If the landlords can't manage to sell their now worthless properties, the state can buy them and give them to homeless people (or the current occupants where applicable). What options would you support taking its place? I'm asking because I'm actually interested, I'm not trying to throw it in your face or anything. If you took an area like LA and removed renters, I think a major effect of that would be to alter the makeup of the community, and not necessarily for the better. Sure, housing prices may decrease slightly, but many folks who currently live (or would like to live) in these areas still wouldn't have the tens of thousands of dollars necessary to convince a bank to offer them a mortgage. I mean, my wife and I could probably swing a down payment at the moment and we would love to be homeowners, but we have lived in 4 states in 6 years and will be moving to a 5th sometime next year. You still need temporary housing options, and those options are still going to be limited in some way by the desirability of the area.
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Jul 1, 2020 18:09
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Friendly reminder that the USPS was profitable for sixteen straight years until the GOP passed legislation in 2007 requiring it to fund pensions for 50 years. Even with that bullshit, the USPS has generated a profit in twenty out of the last forty years: The Postal Service is facing a number of issues, chief among them being that mail volume has dropped off a cliff. I think the prefunding storyline has gained a lot of traction because it puts forth an easy to follow story with a clear enemy, but it’s definitely not the whole story. If nothing else besides prefunding healthcare had been done differently, the postal service would still be underwater right now.
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RIP in piss https://youtu.be/c5W06xR8EYk
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How sure are you that this wasn't a John Oliver porn parody?
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