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IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

you're a flower. you're also a rainbow and a river. you are the manifestation of all perfection and i want to i don't fucking know, but you are fucking perfect


https://twitter.com/AJCassavell/sta...951093454041088

BUT YOU STILL NEED TO SIGN HARPER, KEUCHEL, KIMBREL, AND LIKE A HUNDRED OTHERS, YOU COLLUDING FUCKS

MLB.TV SHARING THREAD

https://forums.somethingawful.com/s...hreadid=3882380

MEET THE TEAMS

Sydin posted:

Meet the teams thread is up. Go post about why your team is cool and good.

MILLENNIUM TEAMS

Easy Diff posted:

Build-a-Team: Millennium Edition is up. It's been a few years since I did one of these, so I'm looking forward to ya'll's updates.

PROSPECT THREAD?
Maybe we could have one of these again I think it would be cool but don't really know anything to put in the op so I'm hoping someone with more knowledge can cover that so I can link that thread too!



GalacticAcid posted:

Here's a guide to spring training performance evaluation i just whipped together, hope it's helpful!



IcePhoenix fucked around with this message at Mar 6, 2019 around 21:47

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Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

Grimey Drawer

I didn't realize ST games started tomorrow.

BASEBALL IS BACK

iospace
Apr 20, 2020




Fun Shoe

Awwwwwww poo poo son.

iospace
Apr 20, 2020




Fun Shoe

NOW SIGN HARPER YOU FUCKSTICKS

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another rainy day commute



Pillbug

Work is looking to be painfully slow this morning so I'll try to knock together a Meet the Teams thread once I get in unless some go-getting goon jumps on it earlier.

Nodoze
Aug 17, 2006

If it's only for a night I can live without you

Of course the first Yankees ST game is against the red sox

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another rainy day commute



Pillbug

https://twitter.com/MLBBruceLevine/...027260336979968

I mean, good for you I guess White Sox, but you're going to have a real hard loving time signing anybody meaningful without throwing in an opt out or two.

Kevlar v2.0
Dec 25, 2003

Toews the rainbow.


I'm still living in my crazy fantasy world with ivy-colored glasses where the Cubs sign Harper even though Tom Ricketts is basically doing this:

R.D. Mangles
Jan 10, 2004



If your answer to not signing a player is we don't have the money, then you should not own a baseball team.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES


Here's a guide to spring training performance evaluation i just whipped together, hope it's helpful!

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land






Sydin posted:

https://twitter.com/MLBBruceLevine/...027260336979968

I mean, good for you I guess White Sox, but you're going to have a real hard loving time signing anybody meaningful without throwing in an opt out or two.

I swear opt-outs have only become A Thing in the last couple years

Good Dog
Oct 16, 2008

Who threw this cat at me?

Clapping Larry

Spring Training 2018 proved beyond all doubt that:

Ohtani couldn't hit worth a poo poo
Ohtani couldn't pitch worth a poo poo
Ohtani was healthy enough to play


And now we know that none of those things are true.

Thom P. Tiers
May 29, 2008

Red Birds
Red Ass
Red Text

a neat cape posted:

Was prime Pujols better than prime Trout?

Carrying this over.

Prime Pujols was arguably 2003-2010: 334/433/635 - 177 OPS+ - 69.3 bWAR

Trout 2012-2018: 310/420/579 - 178 OPS+ - 63.8 bWAR

I think prime Trout is right now and I think he has ~4 years left of this. Trout's last 4 years offensively have been insane.

The thing with Pujols was that he never loving struck out. Trout is only 200 K's away from having Pujols' career K total. Pujols loved making contact. I think Trout's prime will be better when it's all done.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004





baseball is back baby, and it's good, awwoooooo (unsigned free agent howl)

the popes toes
Oct 10, 2004

10 bucks says I'm safe


iospace posted:

NOW SIGN HARPER YOU FUCKSTICKS

Mike_V
Jul 31, 2004

Let's* go Blackhawks! The Blues and Red Wings suck.

bring back 80s baseball

Intruder
Mar 5, 2003

Look at that dude going ham on those bananas



Thom P. Tiers posted:

Carrying this over.

Prime Pujols was arguably 2003-2010: 334/433/635 - 177 OPS+ - 69.3 bWAR

Trout 2012-2018: 310/420/579 - 178 OPS+ - 63.8 bWAR

I think prime Trout is right now and I think he has ~4 years left of this. Trout's last 4 years offensively have been insane.

The thing with Pujols was that he never loving struck out. Trout is only 200 K's away from having Pujols' career K total. Pujols loved making contact. I think Trout's prime will be better when it's all done.

I like how we pretend strikeouts matter when stanning for players we like

Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

Grimey Drawer

Good Dog posted:

Spring Training 2018 proved beyond all doubt that:

Ohtani couldn't hit worth a poo poo
Ohtani couldn't pitch worth a poo poo
Ohtani was healthy enough to play


And now we know that none of those things are true.

Ohtani's ST looked so bad I actually thought he might not do well in the regular season. Not having any meaningful baseball to watch for months does weird things to the brain.

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair


Popete posted:

Ohtani's ST looked so bad I actually thought he might not do well in the regular season. Not having any meaningful baseball to watch for months does weird things to the brain.

Ohtani did make a legitimate change to his swing to shorten up his leg lift/kick a lot before the regular season, some of the doubts were valid before that.

Intruder
Mar 5, 2003

Look at that dude going ham on those bananas



In ST Kyle Tucker looked like one of the best hitters in baseball and welp

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009



Thom P. Tiers posted:

Carrying this over.

Prime Pujols was arguably 2003-2010: 334/433/635 - 177 OPS+ - 69.3 bWAR

Trout 2012-2018: 310/420/579 - 178 OPS+ - 63.8 bWAR

I think prime Trout is right now and I think he has ~4 years left of this. Trout's last 4 years offensively have been insane.

The thing with Pujols was that he never loving struck out. Trout is only 200 K's away from having Pujols' career K total. Pujols loved making contact. I think Trout's prime will be better when it's all done.
Pujols didnít strike out in his prime, but how many more double plays did he hit into?

edit: Trout has 52 GIDPís in his career. From 03-10, Albert GIDPíed 162 times.

bawfuls fucked around with this message at Feb 20, 2019 around 16:39

IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

you're a flower. you're also a rainbow and a river. you are the manifestation of all perfection and i want to i don't fucking know, but you are fucking perfect


Thom P. Tiers posted:

Carrying this over.

Prime Pujols was arguably 2003-2010: 334/433/635 - 177 OPS+ - 69.3 bWAR

Trout 2012-2018: 310/420/579 - 178 OPS+ - 63.8 bWAR

I think prime Trout is right now and I think he has ~4 years left of this. Trout's last 4 years offensively have been insane.

The thing with Pujols was that he never loving struck out. Trout is only 200 K's away from having Pujols' career K total. Pujols loved making contact. I think Trout's prime will be better when it's all done.

My favorite part of this argument is that it uses a cumulative stat (bWAR) as an attempt to make Pujols look better, but Pujols has an extra year in the timeframes used.

Trout's average bWAR over this timeframe is 9.11 vs 8.66 for Pujols. It would go up to 8.81 if you took out 2010 to make it the same amount of years but then Pujols would have less cumulative bWAR (61.7).

bawfuls posted:

Pujols didnít strike out in his prime, but how many more double plays did he hit into?

Not a direct answer to your question but through looking at his player page I have discovered that Albert Pujols is the all-time leader in GIDP

New Concept Hole
Oct 10, 2012

東方動的


When you start looking at foot speed, Pujols is actually the most successful negative WAR player of all time.

Intruder
Mar 5, 2003

Look at that dude going ham on those bananas



bawfuls posted:

Pujols didnít strike out in his prime, but how many more double plays did he hit into?

edit: Trout has 52 GIDPís in his career. From 03-10, Albert GIDPíed 162 times.

How many popouts did he have? Votto GOAT

Pancakes
May 21, 2001



Big Super Slapstick Hunk

bawfuls posted:

Pujols didnít strike out in his prime, but how many more double plays did he hit into?

edit: Trout has 52 GIDPís in his career. From 03-10, Albert GIDPíed 162 times.

All-time leader baby awoooo

The fact that Tony loving Gwynn admired Albertís contact ability speaks volumes, I think.

bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

This Red Text Is Brought To You By The Fact That Paul Stastny Had To Go To FUCKING WINNIPEG To Get A Shot At A Stanley Cup.

P.S. Missouri is full of nothing but meth and so am I.


Fun Shoe

I don't think there's much of any argument that Trout is the better player by WAR. He does everything well. There's like...half a dozen guys ever who did everything as well as he does. Maybe less?

Pujols was still a better hitter.

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009



bewbies posted:

I don't think there's much of any argument that Trout is the better player by WAR. He does everything well. There's like...half a dozen guys ever who did everything as well as he does. Maybe less?

Pujols was still a better hitter.
park and context adjusted stats disagree with you on this

bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

This Red Text Is Brought To You By The Fact That Paul Stastny Had To Go To FUCKING WINNIPEG To Get A Shot At A Stanley Cup.

P.S. Missouri is full of nothing but meth and so am I.


Fun Shoe

bawfuls posted:

park and context adjusted stats disagree with you on this

Struck out less, on base more, more dingers, more XBHs agree though. I'm comfortable where I sit.

Intruder
Mar 5, 2003

Look at that dude going ham on those bananas



Advanced stats stop mattering when they contradict my opinion, I say

Pancakes
May 21, 2001



Big Super Slapstick Hunk

bawfuls posted:

park and context adjusted stats disagree with you on this

About 40 more total bases per year on average, even if you use Pujolsí full career numbers rather than his peak. Better power hitter?

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Kanye West - Touch the Sky


Advanced stats ruined baseball and are being used as tools to suppress player wages. We must radically reject them. Jim Rice owned.

Mike_V
Jul 31, 2004

Let's* go Blackhawks! The Blues and Red Wings suck.

Just my opinion, but I would kiss Albert Pujols on the lips

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES


The original query was worded as whether Trout was the more dominant player, which requires context-adjusted figures to see how they stacked against their contemporaries.

However, had the question been who was the more productive[/i ]player, bewbies's methodology of directly comparing counting & rate stats would be perfectly justified.

-[i]The Nuanced Guy

seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

FLAWED
INTUITION




Toilet Rascal

Pujols killed Brad Lidge('s career). Until I have evidence Trout did something on that level, gonna have to go with Pujols as the GOAT.

Edit: I'll entertain arguments Trout has killed Felix.

seiferguy fucked around with this message at Feb 20, 2019 around 17:07

Intruder
Mar 5, 2003

Look at that dude going ham on those bananas



Pujols also had more good bats around him, like Larry Walker and Jim Edmonds, unlike Trout who has nothing but worthless bats, like Albert Pujols

seiferguy posted:

Pujols killed Brad Lidge('s career). Until I have evidence Trout did something on that level, gonna have to go with Pujols as the GOAT.

Lidge put up an extremely dominant season and won a world series like three years later

Pancakes
May 21, 2001



Big Super Slapstick Hunk

Most MVP robbed players of all time: Aaron, Williams, Musial, Mays, Pujols?

Intruder posted:

Pujols also had more good bats around him, like Larry Walker and Jim Edmonds, unlike Trout who has nothing but worthless bats, like Albert Pujols

Letís not forget Rolen and Holliday.

NiceGuy
Dec 13, 2006

LET ME IN

College Slice

Feels Villeneuve posted:

Advanced stats ruined baseball and are being used as tools to suppress player wages. We must radically reject them. Jim Rice owned.

This guy gets it. .350 ain't a half bad OBP

Intruder
Mar 5, 2003

Look at that dude going ham on those bananas



Bonds

Yes I know he won 7 MVPs, but it's still Bonds

Good Dog
Oct 16, 2008

Who threw this cat at me?

Clapping Larry

Anaheim is a tough place to hit, just looking at how bad Pujols is now is all the proof I need.


seiferguy posted:

Pujols killed Brad Lidge('s career). Until I have evidence Trout did something on that level, gonna have to go with Pujols as the GOAT.

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GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES


Hahah follow Bill for updates on the macabre comedy of Bob Nutting's annual Spring Training press conference

https://twitter.com/BrinkPG/status/1098264071298785286

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