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Richard Bong
Dec 11, 2008


ded posted:

The Big Show: The Classic Account of WWII Aerial Combat

https://www.amazon.com/Big-Show-Cla...k/dp/B07NJ9DRCX

Logs of a Free French pilot with the RAF in Spitfires and Tempests turned into a semblance of a story. It does not mince words and is a bit dreary. He was sent in to a lot of bad attacks.

Free on kindle unlimited.

Yes! This is great fuckin book. Read it if you havenít.

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US Berder Patrol
Jul 11, 2006

I joined the Navy and all I got was this hideous paunch.


Sad King Billy posted:

I notice that the old war literature thread went into the archives. I'm after some recommendations for new books to read so selfishly, this new thread has been created.

I've can recommend the following books. You've probably read most of them.

Quartered Safe Out Here by George MacDonald Fraser
A recounting of his experiences in Burma during WW2. I got a real sense of the characters who served with him and it is telling that he held onto his hate for the Japanese long after the war ended.
Fraser wrote the Flashman series and his ability as a storyteller shines through here.

This one was absolutely great. Thanks for the recommendation.

colachute
Mar 15, 2015



Anyone read Callsign Chaos? On a whim I put it on my list to read this year. Should I read it or consider replacing it with something else in the same type of genre (which I believe is military leadership or leadership in general with anecdotes if Iím not mistaken)?

UP THE BUM NO BABY
Sep 1, 2011

Man-oh-man, Cowboy looks like a bag of leftovers from a V.F.W. barbecue. Of
course, I've got nothing against dead people. Why, some of my best friends are dead

Read some Navy SEAL leadership books to impress your bosses

Ataxerxes
Dec 1, 2011

What is a soldier but a miserable pile of eaten cats and strange language?


Poilu: The World War I Notebooks of Corporal Louis Barthas, Barrelmaker, 1914-1918 The notebooks of a very lucky and very angry French soldier who survived WW1. I have heard many, many recommendations of this.

Red Cavalry by Isaac Babel. A series of stories about the Russian Civil War and the Polish-Russian War of the early 1920's, the writer was a journalist attached to the Soviet cavalry.

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

I'm too dumb to get probated


UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:

Read some Navy SEAL leadership books to impress your bosses

Extreme Ownership is actually good. I'm not brave enough to ready anything else such as Frontline Canoeing: Driving Results The SEAL Way

SpaceSDoorGunner
May 4, 2018



Extreme ownership can be summed up in ďjust pretend you have full responsibility for everything that happens around youĒ which is all right but not really worth a whole book.

colachute
Mar 15, 2015



so is mattis's book worth a read or not

LtCol J. Krusinski
May 7, 2013


colachute posted:

so is mattis's book worth a read or not

Not.

Itís as good as a Genera Flynn book at this point. And you donít want to enable him.

GyverMac
Aug 3, 2006
My posting is like I Love Lucy without the funny bits. Basically, WAAAAAAAAAAAA
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The Unknown soldier by Finnish author Vainno Linna. It follows a Finnish machinegun company during Finlands continuation war with Soviet. The author himself was a veteran of that war, and writes in a very down to earth and realistic way. I heartily recommend it.

Dammit_Carl!
Mar 5, 2013


War Without Garlands: Operation Barbarossa 1941-1942 by Robert Kershaw. A rather gripping history of the first push into the Soviet Union by the Germans. Unique (to me) as it does a pretty good job in fleshing out some of the details that always seem to be presented in drier terms; i.e. Soviet Army encirclements, the final drive on Moscow, etc. Dovetails nicely with the Guy Sajer book.

DinosaurWarfare
Apr 27, 2010


Does anyone have book recommendations on the US Civil War, the (American) Indian Wars, or the British empireís shenanigans in the 1800s?

This is a time period of become fascinated with semi recently, and I canít tell reputable books from lovely books at Barnes and noble.

The Rat
Aug 29, 2004

You will find no one to help you here. Beth DuClare has been dissected and placed in cryonic storage.


I learned everything I know about the British empire's 1800s shenanigans from the Flashman series.

McNally
Sep 12, 2007

Ask me about Proposition 305


DinosaurWarfare posted:

Does anyone have book recommendations on the US Civil War,

Apostles of Disunion will get you up to speed on why "the Civil War wasn't about slavery" is complete and utter bullshit.

The Civil War by Shelby Foote is a classic narrative encompassing the entire war and can give you a decent starting place to find any particular rabbit hole you want to dive into.

If you have specifics you want to read about, let me know. The American Civil War was my degree concentration.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Johnny Pussy?


McNally posted:

Apostles of Disunion will get you up to speed on why "the Civil War wasn't about slavery" is complete and utter bullshit.

The Civil War by Shelby Foote is a classic narrative encompassing the entire war and can give you a decent starting place to find any particular rabbit hole you want to dive into.

If you have specifics you want to read about, let me know. The American Civil War was my degree concentration.

Foote's trilogy is good and a solid narrative, but even Foote himself has admited he had a bias for the Confederacy/South. Personally I'd recommend McPherson's Battle Cry of Freedom as an intro and then dive into Foote's trilogy afterwards.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005



haha wow Shelby Foote was court martialed out of the army in WW2 for falsifying motor pool documents after stealing a jeep to visit his future ex-wife who left him for the Bockscar bombardier.

I think we may have a new candidate for Mt. Gipmore

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Johnny Pussy?


shame on an IGA posted:

haha wow Shelby Foote was court martialed out of the army in WW2 for falsifying motor pool documents after stealing a jeep to visit his future ex-wife who left him for the Bockscar bombardier.

I think we may have a new candidate for Mt. Gipmore

That is amazing.

McNally
Sep 12, 2007

Ask me about Proposition 305


Handsome Ralph posted:

Foote's trilogy is good and a solid narrative, but even Foote himself has admited he had a bias for the Confederacy/South. Personally I'd recommend McPherson's Battle Cry of Freedom as an intro and then dive into Foote's trilogy afterwards.

I mean, he straight up admits it in the foreword of volume one, so it's not like he hid it.

But yeah, anything McPherson is a solid choice. I was blanking on which one to recommend though.

Dr. Kyle Farnsworth
Apr 23, 2004

"He's a great baker. He's Betty Crocker. He makes the best peanut butter cookies ever."

If you want a "Why France Fell" account from a guy who was there, who wrote it in 1940 just after defeat, and who was both a historian and executed by the Gestapo for his work in the resistance, this is $2.99 on Kindle.

https://www.amazon.com/Strange-Defe...g=UTF8&me=&qid=

It's really good and you don't get many first person accounts from a trained historian that was actually there when the poo poo went down. (Obviously you don't get a lot of pulled-back analysis and sourcing and it's pretty clear he wasn't a fan of the generals, if you want to consider that a flaw).

Dr. Kyle Farnsworth fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Apr 20, 2020

US Berder Patrol
Jul 11, 2006

I joined the Navy and all I got was this hideous paunch.


I can't remember where Achilles in Vietnam by Jon Shay was recommended. I think it was in Zeris' old moral injury thread back in the upper Cretaceous. In any case, wow, what a great read. Powerful and insightful. Shay is a psychiatrist who worked extensively with nam vets suffering from PTSD and moral injury. The book draws on the descriptions of the war experience of those vets and draws comparisons against classical narratives (especially the Iliad) of going to war to examine causes, effects, and suggestions for healing for the psychological trauma of combat. Highest recommendation for any of my fellow brokebrains here

US Berder Patrol fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Apr 25, 2020

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers

shame on an IGA posted:

haha wow Shelby Foote was court martialed out of the army in WW2 for falsifying motor pool documents after stealing a jeep to visit his future ex-wife who left him for the Bockscar bombardier.

I think we may have a new candidate for Mt. Gipmore

gently caress

Madurai
Jun 26, 2012



Just finished Brendan Koerner's Now the Hell Will Start, the story of the manhunt for Herman Perry. Vivid picture of not only vintage 1940s racism, but the outrageous ratfuck that was the building of the Ledo Road from Burma into China.

bloops
Dec 30, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!


I read Matterhorn this week. It was excellent in nearly every way.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Johnny Pussy?


bloops posted:

I read Matterhorn this week. It was excellent in nearly every way.

It's been ten years since I've read it and it still sticks with me. Might re-read it this year.

Sad King Billy
Jan 27, 2006

Thats three of ours innit...to one of yours. You know mate I really think we ought to even up the average!

I've now finished everything I have in my bookcase. So here are a few recommendations.

The Long Day's Dying by Alan White

A pretty rare book but is available fairly cheaply on eBay. The author was a commando in the Second World War and I think it is loosely based on his experiences. A very quick read but intense in a psychological way. I definitely found it interesting. A movie adaption was filmed in 1968

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Long_Day%27s_Dying
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show...ong-day-s-dying

Relentless Strike by Sean Naylor

I bought this book a few years back on the recommendation of this forum. A very good read and I might give it another go. It is about the various special operations groups that took part in operations in Iraq.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Relentless...s/dp/1250014549

...and some military Sci-Fi that I have read.

Passage At Arms by Glenn Cook

Submarine warfare in space, a very tense book which I think is a classic. A lot of people in the Book Barn Sci-Fi thread appreciate it, but I don't think it has the appreciation it deserves.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Passage-at...k/dp/1597801194

We All Died At Breakaway Station by Richard C Meredith

It would be fair to say that this book has a few issues. its treatment of women definitely dates it, they are effectively sex objects or incompetent. However, the alien psychology of the protagonists is well thought out and the central idea of troops being patched up with any technology available and sent back out asap is quite horrifying. I do have my reservations about the material but it was still a good read.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show...eakaway_Station

Madurai
Jun 26, 2012



Sad King Billy posted:


Passage At Arms by Glenn Cook

Submarine warfare in space, a very tense book which I think is a classic. A lot of people in the Book Barn Sci-Fi thread appreciate it, but I don't think it has the appreciation it deserves.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Passage-at...k/dp/1597801194

Reading everything Glen Cook writes is an extremely good use of your time. Dude was, IIRC, a QM1 back in the day.

Itchy_Grundle
Feb 22, 2003



Fun Shoe

I just finished With The Old Breed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/With_the_Old_Breed

Pacific War through the eyes of a USMC mortarman. I think it should be required reading for anyone with the authority to send soldiers into harmís way.

ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus

Itchy_Grundle posted:

I just finished With The Old Breed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/With_the_Old_Breed

Pacific War through the eyes of a USMC mortarman. I think it should be required reading for anyone with the authority to send soldiers into harmís way.

Its a drat good and very grisly book.

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PookBear
Nov 1, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 17 hours!


SpaceSDoorGunner posted:

Extreme ownership can be summed up in ďjust pretend you have full responsibility for everything that happens around youĒ which is all right but not really worth a whole book.

military leadership: when a higher up is around, tell someone to do something that they're already doing then look at your boss smugly

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