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Gutter Phoenix
Jul 23, 2013

I preferred your last avatar, so I put it back. My apologies to the pedo who purchased your last one (it's always projection).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUNcTjpP8Zw

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Gutter Phoenix
Jul 23, 2013

I preferred your last avatar, so I put it back. My apologies to the pedo who purchased your last one (it's always projection).


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/emperor-dumbo-octopus-deep-sea.html

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



Imagine going to the trouble to study a new species without hurting it, only to immediately turn around and inflict mental pain by calling it Emperor Dumbo :byoscience:

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004


https://i.imgur.com/mXbzWyT.gifv

Gutter Phoenix
Jul 23, 2013

I preferred your last avatar, so I put it back. My apologies to the pedo who purchased your last one (it's always projection).








Beastie
Nov 3, 2006

They used to call me tricky-kid, I lived the life they wish they did.



This guy knows what’s up.

Bored
Jul 26, 2007

Dude, ix-nay on the oice-vay.
https://youtu.be/fFtcK1cK1ro


https://youtu.be/GlvGCTpp1tM



https://youtu.be/GhYflI7RBrU



https://youtu.be/Kl5A7gHsoRc


https://youtu.be/far3piBfV8E


https://youtu.be/5qw8bAdIS_E


https://youtu.be/ayCdTH7k6eU


How have I missed all of these dumbo octopus videos?

https://youtu.be/lbHjs9A7sis





https://youtu.be/KYLWlERyNIc


Bored fucked around with this message at 08:51 on Jul 10, 2021

Bored
Jul 26, 2007

Dude, ix-nay on the oice-vay.
https://youtu.be/5yxF-HAdB6E



https://youtu.be/muxXG1hFJek

rydiafan
Mar 17, 2009


John Oliver confirmed as goon?

https://youtu.be/aSZ-hogD8mg

DeadFatDuckFat
Oct 29, 2012

This avatar brought to you by the 'save our dead gay forums' foundation.


I love the octopus

Bored
Jul 26, 2007

Dude, ix-nay on the oice-vay.

rydiafan posted:

John Oliver confirmed as goon?

https://youtu.be/aSZ-hogD8mg

They have staff that are goons, I’m pretty sure, if he’s pulled some of the daily show staff with him.

But in this case, I think he’s just right, since he didn’t show links straight from this thread. I think, when the daily show has obviously had a goon working on it, they actually used clips from the last two pages.

And now, thanks to this clip, I found out that Netflix does not know I like octopuses. Watching the documentary now.

I am very surprised the weirdo that let the octopus explore his mouth’s clip was not followed by the story about woman who played with a blue ring octopus and lucked out and did not die. Also, she has a painting of a blue ring octopus in the background of her interview, which is not attached to any of the articles I can find about it on the first page of my google search.


https://nypost.com/2021/03/23/woman-takes-photo-holding-one-of-worlds-deadliest-animals/


Cool, found the interview:

https://youtu.be/emisZUHJAEA

YouTube knows I like octopuses, but keeps trying to make me watch videos of people eating them alive.
I no longer eat octopus or calamari, thanks to all of the cool info about octopuses, since they seem pretty smart. They are also not a staple of the North American diet, so it is not difficult to not eat them.
Cheetos are not known to be intelligent.


Edit:
At around 2:15, Ella describes Egbert asking her to help him hunt. She doesn’t word it in a way that makes it seem that she understands that, but it might just be a language barrier kind of thing.

https://youtu.be/GdCOYToDqfM

Bored fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Jul 20, 2021

Bored
Jul 26, 2007

Dude, ix-nay on the oice-vay.
https://youtu.be/_zW6F0NfgEg

Gutter Phoenix
Jul 23, 2013

I preferred your last avatar, so I put it back. My apologies to the pedo who purchased your last one (it's always projection).

That's a good octopus.

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004




:cthulhu:

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:

That's better than the stainless steel rhino we have outside the local museum

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004


https://twitter.com/buitengebieden_/status/1425932226697498628

It’s so amazing how they do this.

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009


I haven't checked about octopus but I know cuddlefish can somehow do the whole colour matchy-matchy thing in the dark.

What the hell Nature.

Gutter Phoenix
Jul 23, 2013

I preferred your last avatar, so I put it back. My apologies to the pedo who purchased your last one (it's always projection).
Octopuses are cool.

nunsexmonkrock
Apr 13, 2008

Wistful of Dollars posted:

I haven't checked about octopus but I know cuddlefish can somehow do the whole colour matchy-matchy thing in the dark.

What the hell Nature.

Smaller male cuddle fish also pretend to be females so they can get close to the actual female to mate.

other people
Jun 27, 2004
Associate Christ
are you trying to say cuttlefish?

Gutter Phoenix
Jul 23, 2013

I preferred your last avatar, so I put it back. My apologies to the pedo who purchased your last one (it's always projection).
What if cuttlefish are cuddle fish? Has anyone here tried hugging one?

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004


https://i.imgur.com/YXpwxIF.gifv

Otteration
Jan 4, 2014

I CAN'T SAY PRESIDENT DONALD JOHN TRUMP'S NAME BECAUSE HE'S LIKE THAT GUY FROM HARRY POTTER AND I'M AFRAID I'LL SUMMON HIM. DONALD JOHN TRUMP. YOUR FAVORITE PRESIDENT.
OUR 47TH PRESIDENT AFTER THE ONE WHO SHOWERS WITH HIS DAUGHTER DIES
Grimey Drawer

other people posted:

are you trying to say cuttlefish?

They just want hugs. Who doesn't?

Otteration
Jan 4, 2014

I CAN'T SAY PRESIDENT DONALD JOHN TRUMP'S NAME BECAUSE HE'S LIKE THAT GUY FROM HARRY POTTER AND I'M AFRAID I'LL SUMMON HIM. DONALD JOHN TRUMP. YOUR FAVORITE PRESIDENT.
OUR 47TH PRESIDENT AFTER THE ONE WHO SHOWERS WITH HIS DAUGHTER DIES
Grimey Drawer
https://news.berkeley.edu/2016/07/05/weird-pupils-let-octopuses-see-their-colorful-gardens/

Bored
Jul 26, 2007

Dude, ix-nay on the oice-vay.

Gutter Phoenix posted:

What if cuttlefish are cuddle fish? Has anyone here tried hugging one?

They have so many tiny arms. I bet they’d be really good at hugging.


Some cuttlefish that disguise themselves as lady cuttlefish to avoid fights actually show the male side to the lady cuttlefish while showing the female side to the aggressive males. Their color pattern will be split down the middle. At least, I’m pretty sure I saw that somewhere.

Here’s a devious small cuttlefish

https://youtu.be/YH1ytkBM69Q

Same footage from different angles and with David Attenborough


https://youtu.be/KT1-JQTiZGc

Also the above video points out that female giant cuttlefish communicates they are no longer interested in more mating by broadcasting a white stripe and the male that is pretending to be a female to sneak in also broadcasts that white stripe when the large male makes a move toward him.

It feels like something from an eighties comedy, but with cuttlefish.


I found the footage that was used on wherever I read or heard that some cuttlefish will be dress as a female on one side and male on the other, but there’s no voiceover explaining anything.



Instead, here’s another bbc earth cuttlefish video. It sounds like they got Danny Elfman to do the music.

https://youtu.be/rbDzVzBsbGM

Bored fucked around with this message at 12:04 on Aug 14, 2021

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004


Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004


https://i.imgur.com/oF75SoJ.gifv

Gutter Phoenix
Jul 23, 2013

I preferred your last avatar, so I put it back. My apologies to the pedo who purchased your last one (it's always projection).
That poor octopus. I hope they set it free.

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

Truthiness!
Just found this thread, and RIP Fugly gonna be mad about that for some time.

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004




:rip:

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/MaduroDive/status/1433064806802763780?s=19

Pug Rodeo
Feb 20, 2007

BRING IT ON BRING IT ON YEAH



:smith:

Tree Bucket
Apr 1, 2016

R.I.P.idura leucophrys

I know it's always said whenever cephalopods are discussed, but sci fi has a lot of catching up to do.

Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR
So how smart are these fools, anyway? You hear a lot of people talk about their intelligence, based on, I dunno, puzzle solving ability, anecdotes of octopodes escaping their enclosures, and the like. Similar stories come around about crows and other corvids. Some people seem to insist that cephalopods are "just as smart as we are" and that they're good candidates for other intelligent life capable of reasoning and using tools and whatever. But is there realistically a way to quantify this? I'm thinking mostly about how our evolution as primates mostly diverted our caloric use to our brains as opposed to our muscles, like the other great apes... Can this be measured in other animals? Can we look at them and go "uh-oh, turns out they have big brains and most of their food goes to fueling their nefarious thoughts"?

Trivia
Feb 8, 2006

I'm an obtuse man,
so I'll try to be oblique.
Their lifespans are so short I reckon all that brainpower goes towards controlling it's arms and camouflage.

The problem solving is just a byproduct of them being hunters I'd wager.

Coxswain Balls
Jun 4, 2001


That octopus is okay, it's just doing a really good job of blending in with the road using its natural camouflage ability.

naem
May 29, 2011

https://i.imgur.com/RpNDoyC.gifv

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

Mister Speaker posted:

So how smart are these fools, anyway? You hear a lot of people talk about their intelligence, based on, I dunno, puzzle solving ability, anecdotes of octopodes escaping their enclosures, and the like. Similar stories come around about crows and other corvids. Some people seem to insist that cephalopods are "just as smart as we are" and that they're good candidates for other intelligent life capable of reasoning and using tools and whatever.

Solving puzzles is cool because it demonstrates at minimum inventiveness. And for some more complex puzzles, the basics of logical processing and cause-effect reasoning -- a thing many humans still have trouble with.

But I don't think anyone with any expertise thinks cephalopods are just as smart as we are though.

Mister Speaker posted:

But is there realistically a way to quantify this? I'm thinking mostly about how our evolution as primates mostly diverted our caloric use to our brains as opposed to our muscles, like the other great apes... Can this be measured in other animals? Can we look at them and go "uh-oh, turns out they have big brains and most of their food goes to fueling their nefarious thoughts"?

There's no universal way to quantify it, and definitely not from some outside measurement like brain size vs body size* or brain caloric use. Because you also have stuff like, how fast does the animal "think". Jumping spiders are really smart for a spider, but it takes them a while. And cephalapods have neurons that are fundamentally different from ours, which "fire" a lot slower and have different rules for how they network, but that might also make their neural system more energy-efficient.


A lot of animal behavior research on intelligence is as much about figuring out "what is intelligence?" as which animals have it.

For example, corvids. Crows & corvids are cool because they're one of the few non-primates that seem to have Theory of Mind: the ability to know that other crows (or people) are thinking individuals who will do things for intentional reasons. Tldr a crow who wants to hide some food will be suspicious of other crows, and might try to fake out the other crow by pretending to hide the food while they're being watched and then moving elsewhere to actually hide it. Because it knows that another crow might want to steal the food, but also that the other crows only know what they can see. That's a cool thing to study because it maybe tells us more about what's happening in our own heads.



*brain:body seems to have some correlation when comparing 2 species that are vaguely related. Like it may be a useful index for a human, a dolphin, and an elephant... but it probably doesn't apply between a human, a crow, and a spider.

Bored
Jul 26, 2007

Dude, ix-nay on the oice-vay.
I’m guessing the dude the octopus is spying on is the one the placed the camera.


https://youtu.be/i3H3bJwz65I

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Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004




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