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feedmyleg posted:Lost is Extremely Good Actually. It really is. I rewatched it earlier this year and it absolutely held up. It's free with ads on IMDB TV if anyone hasn't seen it
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Simone Magus posted:It really is. I rewatched it earlier this year and it absolutely held up. Damon Lindelof is not a name I really knew but then I watched The Leftovers. Re-watching it all of the gut punches and twists seem really dumb. But the first time it was incredible. I would assume Lost is similar there.
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Apr 17, 2021 20:34
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Lost was good for 1 season before the writers became completely unable to restrain themselves and ended up creating plots via madlibs that make no sense or never see resolution.
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Apr 17, 2021 20:38
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Lost is really good and then depending on the viewer either gets progressively better or progressively worse. Nearly every one I've known who binged it instead of watching live had a much more positive impression without all the delays, false starts, teases, and speculation.
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Apr 17, 2021 20:41
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I'm currently watching Watchmen on HBO and hoping that the plot threads connect in some meaningful way and not "tune in next season to find out what happens next!" Lost dangled that carrot for longer than I stayed interested.
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Apr 17, 2021 20:55
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Jolo posted:I'm currently watching Watchmen on HBO and hoping that the plot threads connect in some meaningful way and not "tune in next season to find out what happens next!" Lost dangled that carrot for longer than I stayed interested. They do connect, keep watching.
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Apr 17, 2021 20:57
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Jolo posted:I'm currently watching Watchmen on HBO and hoping that the plot threads connect in some meaningful way and not "tune in next season to find out what happens next!" Lost dangled that carrot for longer than I stayed interested. The only people who seemed disappointed by that one seemed to hold the line that the comic was better. Or the first movie. Ridiculous villain! Not in my graphic novel adaptation. No thanks.
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Apr 17, 2021 20:59
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Good to hear! I've enjoyed it so far. Rereading the comic for the first time in probably 13 years and getting way more out of it. 20ish me thought Rorschach was a cool gritty detective but 30ish me realizes how much he sucks as he complains about welfare queens and how he'll have to investigate a characters possible homosexuality. It holds up incredibly well but I highly disagree with the back of the book blurb about "if you've never read a graphic novel start with Watchmen." It benefits greatly from reading other comics first to see the contrast between the characters in Watchmen and typical superheroes.
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Apr 17, 2021 21:08
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It sounded better in my head but: Jesus - Jesús (Hey Zeus) -> Hispanic -> Bodega Superman tee = Godspell (He wears it) Just living up to the site's motto I guess
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Apr 18, 2021 02:46
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feedmyleg posted:Lost is Extremely Good Actually. I was super into it when it was airing, followed all the threads here as we all tried to figure out the mysteries, introduced many friends to the show and sat with them as they watched each season and became equally obsessed with the show. Then the final season aired and I felt really upset that many of the stories they set up never played out, and that it was very clear that they never really had a plan like they claimed to have. So despite having watched the show many times over in the past, I never went back after the finale. Then quarantine happened, and I rewatched it. While it's still clear that they never really had a plan, it's still a loving great show. The characters are great, the action and suspense are gripping, and even if the overall story isn't super coherent, it's still a lot of fun. I can really appreciate how the show really laid the ground for serialized storytelling that we have today in television, and creators telling networks when they want to end the show.
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Apr 18, 2021 03:37
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They had as much of a plan as you could running a 121 episode scifi TV show on ABC in 2004-2010. And they did a god drat great job.
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I dislike the ultimate theme(s) that Lost is driving at with the ending in mind, but that isn't the same as it being incoherent or failing to follow through. But if you want a long-running mystery series that ends with an endorsement of ostensibly non-denominational (but in reality it's obviously Christian) faith it's got you covered.
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Apr 18, 2021 03:53
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I think part of my issue with Lost was that they kept on talking about how they were really inspired by The Dark Tower, and then they just dropped it.
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Apr 18, 2021 04:18
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STAC Goat posted:Lost is really good and then depending on the viewer either gets progressively better or progressively worse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJrvTQ68zVo
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Island Nation posted:It sounded better in my head but:  Am I being trolled here?!?
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Apr 18, 2021 10:41
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:Lost was good for 1 season before the writers became completely unable to restrain themselves and ended up creating plots via madlibs that make no sense or never see resolution. I feel like the "plots never see resolution" narrative is overblown and that most people touting it would be hard pressed to name even a few that had any significance to the show. One wildcard to this, though, is that real world circumstances seemed to play a part in forcing changes; namely, a key actor who evidently was going to be a huge part of the story abruptly quit the show (Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje), the two actresses who had that weird DUI and maybe something else going on were also abruptly written out, the actor playing Walt grew like 8 inches overnight and his character didn't work anymore, and there may be another one of these that I'm forgetting... Edit: Conversely, sometimes it works in the other way, such as expanding Michael Emerson's character, which was perhaps supposed to be only a one or two episode storyline but they realized the actor was fantastic, unless I'm remembering that wrong. Sand Monster fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Apr 18, 2021 |
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Apr 18, 2021 13:44
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Sand Monster posted:One wildcard to this, though, is that real world circumstances seemed to play a part in forcing changes; namely, a key actor who evidently was going to be a huge part of the story abruptly quit the show (Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje), the two actresses who had that weird DUI and maybe something else going on were also abruptly written out, the actor playing Walt grew like 8 inches overnight and his character didn't work anymore, and there may be another one of these that I'm forgetting...
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Apr 18, 2021 14:00
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Synchronicity is a good premise that falters under subpar writing. Anthony Mackie does his best, tho. I wouldn’t mind seeing some better writers take another stab at it.
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Apr 18, 2021 14:42
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Sand Monster posted:I feel like the "plots never see resolution" narrative is overblown and that most people touting it would be hard pressed to name even a few that had any significance to the show. There are a million write ups online naming the dozens of nonsensical or unresolved plotlines / show elements. You've included an out for yourself here with "significance to the show" but the inference that it's fine for a show to have numerous plot holes or unresolved storylines as long as they aren't significant is pretty amusing (and indicative of the defenses the show's fans tend to throw out).
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Apr 18, 2021 15:56
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:There are a million write ups online naming the dozens of nonsensical or unresolved plotlines / show elements. You've included an out for yourself here with "significance to the show" but the inference that it's fine for a show to have numerous plot holes or unresolved storylines as long as they aren't significant is pretty amusing (and indicative of the defenses the show's fans tend to throw out). Yeah there's tons of plots that go absolutely nowhere, like the thing with pregnant women dying on the island. It does work a lot better when you binge watch it because you can more quickly forget dead ends and move on to the next mystery.
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Apr 18, 2021 16:34
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Saying "only storylines that aren't significant to the show were dropped" is basically a tautology. A better argument would be along the lines of "a lot of storylines were dropped but the show still works/is fun/is worth watching overall"
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Apr 18, 2021 16:42
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Aglet56 posted:Yeah there's tons of plots that go absolutely nowhere, like the thing with pregnant women dying on the island. It does work a lot better when you binge watch it because you can more quickly forget dead ends and move on to the next mystery. I guess I can't draw the apparently obvious distinction between a mystery and a plot. Perhaps my ignorance on this is at the root of my misconception then. mystes posted:... "it's not their fault that they had to change some stuff that resulted in the show making less sense overall" is not a very persuasive argument. Apparently not, though I don't know what acceptable alternative there is other than re-casting the role which they evidently felt was not the way to go, and not knowing exactly what they had planned originally it's difficult to assess how much of a mistake that was.
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Sand Monster posted:I guess I can't draw the apparently obvious distinction between a mystery and a plot. Perhaps my ignorance on this is at the root of my misconception then. There's no difference, it's just that you get less invested in the Walt subplot or whatever when you blow past it in a few days rather than obsessing over it in AIM chat rooms for months.
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Apr 18, 2021 17:23
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Sand Monster posted:Apparently not, though I don't know what acceptable alternative there is other than re-casting the role which they evidently felt was not the way to go, and not knowing exactly what they had planned originally it's difficult to assess how much of a mistake that was. As long as by saying the dropped plotlines aren't important you really just mean that the overall plot and ending are satisfactory despite that then that's a perfectly good answer? mystes fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Apr 18, 2021 |
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Apr 18, 2021 17:49
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Retrowave Joe posted:Synchronicity is a good premise that falters under subpar writing. Anthony Mackie does his best, tho. I wouldn’t mind seeing some better writers take another stab at it. Yeah, I was really hoping to like Synchronic given how much I enjoyed the previous Benson and Moorhead movies. Those relied more on implying what was going on than outright stating it, which I both liked in general and may have covered up some writing limitations exposed by all the blunt exposition in this one.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:
Like I said, it sounded better in my head Anyway car crash posting aside, caught Nomadland on Hulu. Felt more like a documentary than a work of fiction and left me indifferent. There are better films to watch than this so it’ll win all the Oscars next week because Disney demands it.
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For all the fair and unfair criticisms and defense of Lost I find "we didn't know Walt's actor might experience puberty" to be a poor one. Ultimately I think it speaks to Lost's "problem". They seemed to rarely think things out long term, instead chasing the short term thrill of the mystery and twist. That's fun. Eventually it can get annoying if you start to feel its a tease or a crutch. You definitely end up spending a good chunk of Lost following threads that don't really end up mattering or don't get resolved. That they don't matter in the end isn't inherently a defense. Its still a question of whether the time spent with them is worth it or if it hurts the overall flow. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Apr 18, 2021 |
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Apr 18, 2021 19:31
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Aglet56 posted:Yeah there's tons of plots that go absolutely nowhere, like the thing with pregnant women dying on the island. While that wasn't explicitly explained, it's definitely not true that that "plot" "went nowhere". And there are plenty of possible explanations, especially: the island is literally magic and was created/overseen by a woman who had two kids and went completely loving insane, so maybe the island just hates motherhood and kids
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STAC Goat posted:Ultimately I think it speaks to Lost's "problem". They seemed to rarely think things out long term, instead chasing the short term thrill of the mystery and twist. I think a decent amount of that can be blamed on the fact that it was a massively popular network drama in the days when everything had 22+ episode seasons. I’m pretty sure Abrams said they really had to push to end the show when they did because otherwise ABC would have been happy to just keep going until they ran it into the ground. I can see how it would be hard to write a cogent and satisfying long-term story if you don’t know when it’s going to end because the network keeps demanding more. That’s why I’m happy to see a lot more limited and anthology series these days. Turns out you really can tell a better story if you’re able to plan it out beforehand and not have to add in a bunch of filler, who’d have thought!
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I started playing a tabletop RPG over the internet with friends last year, and the way we generate oddball environmental prompts with dice and figure out how to shoehorn outcomes into our make believe world makes me feel like a LOST showrunner.
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wizardofloneliness posted:I think a decent amount of that can be blamed on the fact that it was a massively popular network drama in the days when everything had 22+ episode seasons. I’m pretty sure Abrams said they really had to push to end the show when they did because otherwise ABC would have been happy to just keep going until they ran it into the ground. I can see how it would be hard to write a cogent and satisfying long-term story if you don’t know when it’s going to end because the network keeps demanding more. Certainly that played a factor and it might be a "chicken or the egg" type of situation. Did Lost drag out stories and add contrivances to meet the network scheduling demands or did they use those demands to justify just kind of winging it sometimes? Or maybe a bit of both? But "we didn't anticipate Walt experiencing puberty" still feels like a "the dog ate my homework" level excuse.
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Yeah its apparent that the show didnt know what it was doing by the end of the first season. But it had good actors, ACTING. Amd the show was good about someone getting shot in the head if things were slowing down So if you find that appealing, watch Lost I guess. Alot better stuff is out there tho E: just thought of Patton Oswalt explaining why he gave up on Lost, and there being magical rebirthing chambers to revive characters, and him just knowing that the writers used it as a way to end work and go home that day.
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Apr 18, 2021 21:38
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Yeah, for all my problems with it there's great character stuff, the show always maintained tension, and lots of people did like the directions it took. So you know. Its your call.
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Lost becomes total Philip K Dick level nonsense and  by season 5, by which point most people were invested enough to just roll with it, I guess
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Just as a reminder to those who haven't watched it, Raised by Wolves on HBO Max is a wild ride.
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Nihonniboku posted:Just as a reminder to those who haven't watched it, Raised by Wolves on HBO Max is a wild ride. I need season 2 now NOW, NOW. I just loved space Ragnar.
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Desperado Bones posted:I need season 2 now NOW, NOW. I just loved space Ragnar. Have they started filming?
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Nihonniboku posted:Just as a reminder to those who haven't watched it, Raised by Wolves on HBO Max is a wild ride. I cannot second this enough. Right up to the credits.
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Nihonniboku posted:Just as a reminder to those who haven't watched it, Raised by Wolves on HBO Max is a wild ride.  It's fuckin bananas
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I hated lost by the third season but Raised by Wolves is one of my 2 favorite shows on TV right now and people compare the two a lot. Idk if I just watched Lost in the wrong mindset or the psychedelic sci fi setting makes me more open to weird questions having even weirder answers. People always complain about how Raised by Wolves is just making poo poo up as they go along but I've found the whole thing very satisfying and have felt like most of the plot threads have come together in an interesting way. it's just not going to give people the hard sci-fi cut and dry answers they want. It's a trippy fantasy show idk what people are expecting.
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