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Shrecknet
Jan 2, 2005


Opening Day is just a week or two away. And Hope Springs Eternal! But as a fun retrospective, I thought it'd be neat to revisit an old SAS staple, the All-Millennium team. Now this will be a little tricky, but I'd like to see a roster of your team using players only in the last 18 years. BUT - there's a catch. You can only use a player once, and you can only use a year once. Thus, you can't just have 03, 04 and 05 Randy Johnson as your three starting pitchers, nor can you use the entire 2016 Cubs team for the all-millennium lineup.

I picked 18 because no one gives a poo poo about extraneous backups, and because it fits nicely into the current millennium's list. As usual, baseball-reference.com is an invaluable resource. So let's get to work. Make sure you have a defense of your choices!




The problem with the Marlins is that as a "draw fans to the ballpark" enterprise, their entire philosophy was "have 1 transcendental player at a time," so there were 2-3 year stretches where Giancarlo Stanton or Miggy were the only guys on the roster to post an OPS+ over 100. This makes finding tricky, since you can only use one Stanton season, so the other years, there's a lot of nothing.

Weirdly, the early 2000s always had one Marlin reliever who would put up an absurd season. It was never the same guy and he was never good again.

Also, if someone could do the Reds, it'd be much appreciated.

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IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

you're a flower. you're also a rainbow and a river. you are the manifestation of all perfection and i want to i don't fucking know, but you are fucking perfect


This looks fun and also trying to figure out the Twins pitching is gonna be hilarious

also you only have 17 players

IcePhoenix fucked around with this message at Mar 6, 2019 around 18:21

Kirios
Jan 25, 2010

All rise for the AL

M. V. P.


This is an awesome idea and a great way to kill time at work - gonna do the Astros now.

Shrecknet
Jan 2, 2005


IcePhoenix posted:

This looks fun and also trying to figure out the Twins pitching is gonna be hilarious

also you only have 17 players

Add 2000 Derrek Lee to my list then and put Gaby on the bench

281/368/507, 28 HR

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009



How much leeway are we allowing for position here? The Dodgers have had piles of crap at 2B for awhile but there are surplus SS/3B options who could easily play there instead

And honestly I'd consider putting like 2013 Hanley Ramirez at 1B too for that matter

Pancakes
May 21, 2001



Big Super Slapstick Hunk

I’m so angry that I’m stuck at work. I just want to theorycraft an awesome Cardinals team and wax nostalgic about the MV3 years.

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009



it is absurd but I'm considering taking a Kershaw year in which he didn't win the Cy Young

Spoeank
Jul 16, 2003

Smile through the tears


I have a Giants one in the works but somehow I hosed up and ended up with 2005 JT Snow and his 86 OPS+ at first base so nobody take the Giants while I rejigger this

Kirios
Jan 25, 2010

All rise for the AL

M. V. P.


So the Astros had some really good teams early in the century, have been fantastic recently, and utter garbage for about 10 years in between! I had to put Clemens in at his "worst" year as an Astro in order to make it all work, but otherwise, drat good team with a fantastic lineup, solid rotation and one of the best back-ends you'll ever see. Just don't put in Lucas Harrell or Mark Melancon, please.

IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

you're a flower. you're also a rainbow and a river. you are the manifestation of all perfection and i want to i don't fucking know, but you are fucking perfect


Easy Diff posted:

Add 2000 Derrek Lee to my list then and put Gaby on the bench

281/368/507, 28 HR

you need a five man rotation and also don't have anyone from 2018

when you said 18 players I guess I just assumed you meant 2001-2018

Pancakes
May 21, 2001



Big Super Slapstick Hunk

Kirios posted:

So the Astros had some really good teams early in the century, have been fantastic recently, and utter garbage for about 10 years in between! I had to put Clemens in at his "worst" year as an Astro in order to make it all work, but otherwise, drat good team with a fantastic lineup, solid rotation and one of the best back-ends you'll ever see. Just don't put in Lucas Harrell or Mark Melancon, please.



Friend, I’ve got some bad news about Brad Lidge for you when it comes to my impending Cardinals lineup...

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009



I was just finishing up when I realized I can't repeat years. I had 2017x3, 2000x2, & 2015x2

back to the spreadsheet...

Spoeank
Jul 16, 2003

Smile through the tears





lol 2017 Jeff Samardzija because the just-okay Giants SPs in the early-to-mid 2000s got muscled out by a bunch of roid bois

tinstaach
Aug 3, 2010

MAGNetic AttITUDE




I'll take the bullet of having to look at the Tigers teams of the early 2000s.

Ice To Meet You
Mar 4, 2007



Fun Shoe

I remember doing this before but I think you got 25 years to work with then. This is a lot harder!

Ice To Meet You fucked around with this message at Mar 6, 2019 around 21:48

Shrecknet
Jan 2, 2005


IcePhoenix posted:


when you said 18 players I guess I just assumed you meant 2001-2018
I did, but the marlins did not field a single major league caliber player in 2018 so I had to go backwards

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009





Could also put 2018 Justin Turner or Cody Bellinger at 1B but I wanted to highlight how truly absurd Hanley's 2013 campaign was (plus I'd have to replace Kevin Brown's 2000 peak with probably Ryu's 2013). It's a shame I couldn't include Chris Taylor's 4+ WAR utility effort in 2017, he played 5 different positions that year. There were some lean years in there between like 2005-2012, and I had to go with one of Kershaw's "weaker" years because the rest of the 2012 team was so mediocre (Andre Ethier was the second highest WAR at 3.5).

This pitching staff is pretty ridiculous, and the bullpen is nightmare fuel.

edit: if we are including a second UT position to use all years from 2000-2018 just slide 2018 Justin Turner into that spot (.312/.406/.518, 14HR, 154 wRC+, 4.2 fWAR in 103 games)

total WAR for 19-man roster: 102.6 - 96.5

bawfuls fucked around with this message at Mar 6, 2019 around 22:06

Kirios
Jan 25, 2010

All rise for the AL

M. V. P.


tinstaach posted:

I'll take the bullet of having to look at the Tigers teams of the early 2000s.

If I looked at the mid 2010s Astros you're gonna have do to the early 2000s Tigers, friend.

Edit: I'm saddened that Jeremy Bonderman got no love from the Tigers list.

Kirios fucked around with this message at Mar 6, 2019 around 21:38

Tom Gorman
Apr 30, 2004

Out here, everything hurts

Buglord

Man alive it's gonna be pretty tough to top that Dodgers squad

Pancakes
May 21, 2001



Big Super Slapstick Hunk

Tom Gorman posted:

Man alive it's gonna be pretty tough to top that Dodgers squad

We can do it, I have faith!

IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

you're a flower. you're also a rainbow and a river. you are the manifestation of all perfection and i want to i don't fucking know, but you are fucking perfect


Easy Diff posted:

I did, but the marlins did not field a single major league caliber player in 2018 so I had to go backwards

Realmuto for Pudge, Beckett fifth starter.

Anyway here's the Twins!



Some notes:
Morneau's 2010 is obviously better but Thome's 2010 is the best DH season by such a huge margin that the sacrifice had to be made. Also this let me put Jim Thome on the team.
Buxton over Torii because he was actually acceptable at the plate in 2016 and his Defense is so far off the charts that I had to do it.
Nathan's 2006 suffered a similar fate but that was the only way to get Liriano on the team.
I had to do a lot of deck chair shuffling with years to get non-embarrassing players at a couple positions.
I'm sad I couldn't fit Radke on the team

Kirios
Jan 25, 2010

All rise for the AL

M. V. P.


I opted to just take the bullet for a couple of bad players to get all the favorites on the Astros team. You should have found a way to get Radke on there.

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009



please include innings for your pitchers, a normalized offensive stat like OPS+ or wRC+, and some version of WAR just for the shorthand convenience factor tia

bawfuls fucked around with this message at Mar 6, 2019 around 21:54

IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

you're a flower. you're also a rainbow and a river. you are the manifestation of all perfection and i want to i don't fucking know, but you are fucking perfect


bawfuls posted:

please include innings for your pitchers, a normalized offensive state like OPS+ or wRC+, and some version of WAR just for the shorthand convenience factor tia


Kirios posted:

I opted to just take the bullet for a couple of bad players to get all the favorites on the Astros team. You should have found a way to get Radke on there.

Excellent points, I will make the corrections when I get home

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009



Updated my post. See if anyone can beat 100 WAR total. Maybe Red Sox or Yankees?

tinstaach
Aug 3, 2010

MAGNetic AttITUDE




Ice To Meet You posted:

I remember doing this before but I think you got 25 years to work with then. This is a lot harder!



Here's my go at it, pretty different! Although it looks like you did 19 guys/years:



Finding a good 1B season from someone not named Miguel Cabrera was...challenging.

e: for the record, I also had Professor Farnsworth's 2005 on there until the very end.

tinstaach fucked around with this message at Mar 6, 2019 around 22:36

mentholmoose
Nov 4, 2009

YKNOW THERES ONLY ONE DIRECTION I KNOW AND THATS DRIVIN STRAIGHT TO THE NET


Here's mine, I got to 97.2 bWAR with the Phils.



Might be able to re-arrange things to get that number higher, but not much higher.

The Phils have been really good this millennium, even with the couple down years between 2013-2017.

Also Nola is the single season bWAR leader for the Phils at least since 2001.

TheFlyingLlama
Jan 2, 2013

DOES THIS LOOK LIKE THE FACE OF MERCY




Here is one for the braves, managed 100.3 bWAR

BigBallChunkyTime
Nov 25, 2011

Kyle Schwarber: World Series hero, Beefy Lad, better than you.



Illegal Hen

1B- Derek Lee 2005
2B- Mark Bellhorn 2002
3B- Kris Bryant 2016
SS-
LF- Moises Alou 2004
CF-
RF Sammy Sosa 2000
C Geovany Soto 2010
DH- Aramis Ramirez- 2011

SP- Jon Lieber 2001
SP- Mark Prior 2003
SP- Carlos Zambrano 2006
SP-Jake Arrieta 2015
SP-Ted Lilly 2009
RP- Pedro Strop 2014
RP-Steve Cisek 2018
RP-Carlos Marmol 2007
CL-Kerry Wood 2008
CL-Wade Davis 2017

I got stuck. I'm missing 2012 and 2013. God, those teams were loving terrible.

Edit-- poo poo, I didn't do it in spreadsheet form. Feel free to use this if you want, Cubs fans.

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Reformed Pissboy
Nov 6, 2003



Oh man I'm gonna see if I can ressurrect the very bad optimizer I wrote in college the last time I recall us doing this (n...nine years ago...?!?). But first, a Red Sox selection From The Heart, mostly just by going backwards chronologically and sorting by bWAR a lot.
BTW it's bullshit this cuts off Pedro's year 2000 I'm boycotting F U.

105.9 total bWAR

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IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

you're a flower. you're also a rainbow and a river. you are the manifestation of all perfection and i want to i don't fucking know, but you are fucking perfect


new and improved

Pancakes
May 21, 2001



Big Super Slapstick Hunk

I didn't try to optimize it too much, but I'm surprised by how sparse the pitching was for the Cardinals. There's probably a better version of this out there but I'm proud of this version including Darryl Kile.

Carlosologist
Oct 13, 2013

Revelry in the Dark



I did one for the Yankees, and it's about who you expect: Dynasty era players plus some of the 2010s guys

Paul Zuvella
Dec 7, 2011





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e: aww yeah, beat the other Yankees dude

Carlosologist
Oct 13, 2013

Revelry in the Dark



Paul Zuvella posted:



Peep those loving Dongers, gentlemen

e: aww yeah, beat the other Yankees dude

drat I didn't put in anyone from the 2018 team lol

Tom Gorman
Apr 30, 2004

Out here, everything hurts

Buglord

Fools, all of you! While you're mewling about over your fancy statistics, and your MORPS and BLORPS I've constructed an unbeatable team.

A team with this much grit and hustle cannot possibly lose



Hail Satan

IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

you're a flower. you're also a rainbow and a river. you are the manifestation of all perfection and i want to i don't fucking know, but you are fucking perfect


Paul Zuvella posted:



Peep those loving Dongers, gentlemen

e: aww yeah, beat the other Yankees dude

Mariano River

Reformed Pissboy
Nov 6, 2003



Paul Zuvella posted:



Peep those loving Dongers, gentlemen

e: aww yeah, beat the other Yankees dude

Those big numbers on the right side are really cool! What happens if you just do 18 players like everyone else instead of 19?

Paul Zuvella
Dec 7, 2011



Reformed Pissboy posted:

Those big numbers on the right side are really cool! What happens if you just do 18 players like everyone else instead of 19?

other people did 19 you nerd

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ScottyJSno
Aug 16, 2010


Your Taint posted:

1B- Derek Lee 2005
2B- Mark Bellhorn 2002
3B- Kris Bryant 2016
SS- Sammy Sosa 2000
LF- Moises Alou 2004
CF-
RF
C Geovany Soto 2010
DH- Aramis Ramirez- 2011

SP- Jon Lieber 2001
SP- Mark Prior 2003
SP- Carlos Zambrano 2006
SP-Jake Arrieta 2015
SP-Ted Lilly 2009
RP- Pedro Strop 2014
RP-Steve Cisek 2018
RP-Carlos Marmol 2007
CL-Kerry Wood 2008
CL-Wade Davis 2017

I got stuck. I'm missing 2012 and 2013. God, those teams were loving terrible.

Edit-- poo poo, I didn't do it in spreadsheet form. Feel free to use this if you want, Cubs fans.


Batting
C - Willson Contreras - 2017 - .276/.356/.499 - WAR 4.0 - Break out year and a very similar to Soto's ROTY .285/.364/.504 /3.3 WAR /119 OPS+

1B - Derrek Lee - 2005 - .335/.418/.662 - WAR 7.7 - Lee's best year ever.

2B - Javier Báez - 2018 - .290/.326/.554 - WAR 6.3 - Báez near MVP year.

3B - Kris Bryant - 2016 - .292/.385/.554 - WAR 7.4 - MVP

SS - Starlin Castro - 2011 - .307/.341/.432 - WAR 3.2 - Not Starlin's best year but close and 2011 NL hit leader.

LF - Alfonso Soriano - 2007 - .299/.337/.560 - WAR 4.3 - Soriano best year as a Cub.

CF - Juan Pierre - 2006 - .292/.330/.388 - WAR 2.0 - 2006 was a bad team, but hey 58 SB

RF - Sammy Sosa - 2001 - .328/.437/.737 - WAR 10.3 - Sosa best year. Bonds was still nearly 2 WAR better.

UTL - Anthony Rizzo - 2014 - .286/.386/.527 - WAR 5.2 - Didn't know if I could sneak Rizzo in with Lee being so good in 2005.

Pitching

SP - Jake Arrieta - 2015 - 22-6 / 4.92 K/BB - WAR 8.3 - Best second half ever.

SP - Mark Prior - 2003 - 18-6 / 4.90 K/BB - WAR 7.4 - Prior and Wood's career high WAR seasons both happened in 2003.

SP - Ryan Dempster - 2008 - 17-6 / 2.46 K/BB - WAR 6.9 - I like Kerry Wood better.

SP - Carlos Zambrano - 2004 - 16-8/ 2.32 K/BB - WAR 6.7 - plus .6 batting WAR = 7.3 on the Ohtani WAR scale.

LR - Travis Wood - 2013- 9-12/ 3.11 ERA / 2.18 K/BB - WAR 4.4 - Might be cheating to stick him in the bullpen.

LR - Jeff Samardzija - 2012- 9-13/ 3.81 ERA / 3.21 K/BB - WAR 2.3 - 2012 was a bad team except Darwin Barney

SU - Ángel Guzmán - 2009 - 15 Holds / 2.95 ERA / 2.04 K/BB - WAR 1.7 - Not bad. Better then Kevin Gregg or Marmol that year.

SU - Joe Borowski - 2002 - 2 Saves / 2.73 ERA / 3.34 K/BB - WAR 2.3 - 95 IP. Borowski would become the closer in 2003.

CL - Carlos Marmol - 2010- 38 saves / 2.55 ERA/ 2.65 K/BB - WAR 2.7 - 16 K/9 wild man.

Total BrWAR = 93.1

Sad I could not work Kerry Wood in. Starlin Castro is the best SS in the past 20 years for the Cubs. The 2010s had some bad teams.

I could change Ángel Guzmán in 2009 for Lilly 5.0 WAR but Guzmán had the best ERA+ on the team at 152. Or Borowski for Wood 4.4 WAR in 2002.

This would push the total WAR to 98.5

Edit - gently caress up. Marmol was better then Sean Marshal in 2010

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