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Mel Mudkiper posted:Marvel Films are an internationally distributed statement of intent by a multi-billion dollar global conglomerate not sworn to any single national loyalty, it is naive to think the film speaks only to America. Then why the gently caress isn't Captain Britain in the MCU yet?
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So is the contention that a movie that heavily features refugees can’t be read as a narrative about refugees? Is MCU fandom that strong? I saw it and yeah it uh, sure was a movie I paid to see
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Mar 10, 2019 23:12
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Waffles Inc. posted:So is the contention that a movie about refugees can’t be read as a narrative about refugees? Is MCU fandom that strong? The movie is indeed about refugees but reading into the ending as "refugees should go somewhere the gently caress else" and not "refugees are cool and good and helping them is a heroic cause" is being willfully obtuse.
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Mar 10, 2019 23:13
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Then why the gently caress isn't Captain Britain in the MCU yet? because superheroes are an american phenomenon
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Mar 10, 2019 23:13
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:The movie is indeed about refugees but reading into the ending as "refugees should go somewhere the gently caress else" and not "refugees are cool and good and helping them is a heroic cause" is being willfully obtuse. which is why we help them and dont kick them out in the end right?
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Mar 10, 2019 23:14
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Mel Mudkiper posted:which is why we help them and dont kick them out in the end right? As I said, willfully obtuse.
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Mar 10, 2019 23:15
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:The movie is indeed about refugees but reading into the ending as "refugees should go somewhere the gently caress else" and not "refugees are cool and good and helping them is a heroic cause" is being willfully obtuse. In the movie I saw we kicked them out though? “Let’s help them but they have to leave eventually!” is some gross centrism of the worst kind
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Mar 10, 2019 23:16
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Waffles Inc. posted:In the movie I saw we kicked them out though? Again, Earth is literally called "a shithole" in the film, and the writers knew exactly what they were doing by using that word of all words.
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Mar 10, 2019 23:17
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Again, Earth is literally called "a shithole" in the film, and the writers knew exactly what they were doing by using that word of all words. Being accurate? 
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Mar 10, 2019 23:19
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Waffles Inc. posted:In the movie I saw we kicked them out though? even worse, we put them back on the intergalatic version of a dinghy when we do it we literally send them back on the boat they came in on
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Mar 10, 2019 23:19
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TraderStav posted:Being accurate? Trump decries immigrants from 'shithole countries' coming to US
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Mar 10, 2019 23:20
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Again, Earth is literally called "a shithole" in the film, and the writers knew exactly what they were doing by using that word of all words. In your reading Earth is described with a Trump quotation used to describe countries that real life refugees are coming from which implies that in your read the Skrulls are from the “non-shitholes”? So that makes it OK to kick them out? Furthermore if your extra-narrative read is pulling in the Trump quote (which is obviously wrong) than that would mean that Earth actually is fine?
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Mar 10, 2019 23:20
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earth is a "shithole", so its better for them to be stuck on a small ship adrift in space 
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Mar 10, 2019 23:20
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The only Skrull that even wants to stay on Earth is the kid and that's because they made a nice friend. The adults know what's up.
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Mar 10, 2019 23:21
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Again, Earth is literally called "a shithole" in the film, and the writers knew exactly what they were doing by using that word of all words. What's stopping the Skrulls from cohabiting with the people of Earth to forge a new path of existence for both species? More so with Carol heralding such a cause as the, allegedly, most powerful being in the universe?
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Mar 10, 2019 23:23
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teagone posted:What's stopping the Skrulls from co-habiting with the people of Earth to forge a new path of existence for both species? More so with Carol heralding such a cause? The fact that the people of Earth can't even cohabitate with each other
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Mar 10, 2019 23:23
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Maybe I forgot but didn’t Fury have a line about people aren’t ready for aliens yet? (Even though they took them pretty well!)
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Mar 10, 2019 23:24
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I just remembered at the end of the last Thor the refugee Asgardians decide to go live on earth and everyone seems cool with it weird that its ok when its a race of blonde haired blue eyed white europeans and not shifty "colored" ones
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Mar 10, 2019 23:24
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Away all Goats posted:The fact that the people of Earth can't even cohabitate with each other I'm saying why couldn't the introduction of Skrulls usher in a new era in human history?
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Mar 10, 2019 23:24
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“Gee everyone I dunno I think it’s best for you to float in space because we can’t even get along here!” is one substitution of “boat” for “spaceship” away from being an actual IRL anti-immigrant talking point
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Mar 10, 2019 23:25
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I just remembered at the end of the last Thor the refugee Asgardians decide to go live on earth and everyone seems cool with it Wow I wonder what could have changed between the events of Captain Marvel and Thor Ragnarok to prepare Earth for aliens?
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Mar 10, 2019 23:26
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I just remembered at the end of the last Thor the refugee Asgardians decide to go live on earth and everyone seems cool with it Well, earth had no say in it. Thor decided they should go.
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Mar 10, 2019 23:26
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I feel like the combination of Carol being the "one-woman security force" as Fury described, along with Skrulls being Earth's moment of First Contact would change the course of Earth's history and status in the MCU cosmos, but the film actively decides against that potential because Carol has to disappear for 20 years before Endgame.
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Mar 10, 2019 23:27
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Waffles Inc. posted:“Gee everyone I dunno I think it’s best for you to float in space because we can’t even get along here!” is one substitution of “boat” for “spaceship” away from being an actual IRL anti-immigrant talking point this
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Mar 10, 2019 23:27
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Wow I wonder what could have changed between the events of Captain Marvel and Thor Ragnarok to prepare Earth for aliens? they were white?
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Mar 10, 2019 23:27
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They weren’t all white
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“We’re not ready for that yet!” said in reality about: POC president Woman president Gay marriage Trans rights Immigrants Refugees (It’s a bullshit reason)
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Mar 10, 2019 23:28
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CelticPredator posted:They weren’t all white Shhhh.
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Mar 10, 2019 23:29
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Waffles Inc. posted:“We’re not ready for that yet!” said in reality about : What about extraterrestrials
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Mar 10, 2019 23:31
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I just remembered at the end of the last Thor the refugee Asgardians decide to go live on earth and everyone seems cool with it .
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Mar 10, 2019 23:32
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Wow I wonder what could have changed between the events of Captain Marvel and Thor Ragnarok to prepare Earth for aliens? 
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CelticPredator posted:They weren’t all white Hmmm, yes the "multicultural" society in which the two most prominent people of color were a soldier and a doorman
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Mar 10, 2019 23:33
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CelticPredator posted:What about extraterrestrials Well extraterrestrials aren’t real Is your read of the film that it’s a narrative about how Earth would handle a first contact situation? If so, that’s...fine, but how does that rebut or comment on a read where the narrative is one about refugees?
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Mar 10, 2019 23:33
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Asgard, the civilization in which the highest honor a black person can obtain is to sit around and open the door for rich white people
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Mar 10, 2019 23:34
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And an alien made of rocks
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CelticPredator posted:What about extraterrestrials 
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So was Carol supposed to just leave the Skrulls on Earth and then seek out Skrull enclaves throughout the galaxy and bring them all back to Earth, rather than go out searching for those enclaves with the Skrulls that she had befriended? Because if so, there are hundreds of better planets, technologically, culturally, and in terms of location relative to galactic civilization, to act as such a home. The same is not true of first-world countries that reject immigrants, and you loving know it.
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Mar 10, 2019 23:36
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what if the skrull's just made themselves look white, because skin colour is the only thing that matters in the entire universe?
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Because if so, there are hundreds of better planets, technologically, culturally, and in terms of location relative to galactic civilization, to act as such a home. The same is not true of first-world countries that reject immigrants, and you loving know it. So you are saying Greece and Turkey are morally just in throwing out refugees because they should just go to Germany or the US? 
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:So was Carol supposed to just leave the Skrulls on Earth and then seek out Skrull enclaves throughout the galaxy and bring them all back to Earth, rather than go out searching for those enclaves with the Skrulls that she had befriended? Your read is that’s Danvers is some sort of intergalactic Paul Cuffee? Given the ideology surrounding the founding of Liberia from American whites that is...something
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