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I legit had to ask another thread because I didn't know either Whats the frog thing about?
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Do not question the avatar gods, for they are capricious as they are generous, what they may giveth, they can also taketh. My take on the refugee metaphor is I think of it as being more of an allusion; it references the issues and I think it is ultimately critical of the way societies have reacted with varying degrees of violence, from suspicion of the "infiltrators" to actively and proactively pursuing the diaspora. I sense a IDF-HAMAS allusion as well, with the Kree/IDF hunting down the Skrulls/Hamas going into neutral countries (Lebanon) to finish the job because of an all consuming paranoia that unless they are stamped out, the whole structure is at risk. At the same time the film isn't saying that Earth is necessarily wrong for reacting as they did; it can be a message about the ways propaganda by bad faith agenda driven actors can sway uninformed well meaning people into carrying out an evil agenda. SHIELD *is* infiltrated, because even if their goal was righteous they still were using "ends justify the means" thinking and tactics especially in the face of a determined pursuer; but they (SHIELD) acted the way they did primarily because of what Captain Marvel told them, which the Skrull's firing on them confirmed that bias. There's misunderstandings afoot due to mistakes and misinformation, shots fired into the fog of war might find their way to allies and friends despite your best intentions. Kree propaganda played a central part in the message of the film, and "deprogramming" Captain Marvel and SHIELD took effort. It's like the alt right or Russian troll farms spreading misinformation about immigrants to gin up violence. Their goal isn't to resettle in America, skrulls are all over the place, and suffered ethnic cleansing and like jewish people want a homeland where they can all belong. In this case their homeworld has been bombed to oblivion and in too much danger, so move they must (this might have unfortunate implications regarding Palestinians if I carry the allusion to its logical conclusion but I don't think allusions are supposed to be stretched so far) go elsewhere, America/Earth as others have said, is just a stepping stone; and useful as a mediator and a temporary protector since the Kree were all too willing to violate Earth's sovereignty with acts of war (South Africa?). The Skrulls don't want to settle on Earth, and it would be dangerous for them to do so as the Kree would return in force and Captain America is just one person; and plus there are several other groups of Skrulls throughout the galaxy, it's pretty obviously that while there are allusions, they aren't all neat and tidy and meant to paint a picture of Earth/America refusing refugees and asylum seekers in totality; but that it's a complicated multifaceted problem and the film I think is more interested in quickly exploring different parts of that problem then to flesh out any one particular aspect of the metaphor. Earth is both portrayed as many things, some of them contradictory; but in the end the take away is probably not that Earth should have accepted the Skrulls, or at least not yet. As they need to gather together and figure out their next move and Earth is presumably too close to the Kree to be safe; after all they mentioned going to a whole other galaxy before. I think coherently the point is more, "there's a lot of poo poo refugees have to deal with when fleeing a warzone and a lot of baggage due to the nature of war and left over militia's being labeled as terrorists and a lot of problems being stateless" then a binary "Earth is good/bad".
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Mar 11, 2019 18:55
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Alright, who got mad enough they opened their wallet lol Welcome to the red title club brother. 
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Mar 11, 2019 18:57
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Rep those colours
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Mar 11, 2019 19:00
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I suspect someone who agrees with me bought it to make the other side look bad because drat this is a hilarious win for me
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Mar 11, 2019 19:01
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Mar 11, 2019 19:02
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Alright, who got mad enough they opened their wallet lol lol
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Mar 11, 2019 19:22
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You can be my wingman anytime.
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Mar 11, 2019 19:23
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If someone pisses you off so much you'll waste  over a passive aggressive dig at them then yeah, that's a hilarious self own
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Mar 11, 2019 19:24
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McCloud posted:If someone pisses you off so much you'll waste Add to that the dig apparently being a South Park reference mixed with lazy homophobia. It’s like being insulted by a YouTube comment lol.
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Mar 11, 2019 19:30
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Valerian is a more likable character than Marvel's Captain Marvel
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Mar 11, 2019 19:33
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Hilariously, it wasn't me. And if I'm lying, may the mods strike me down where I stand. 
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Mar 11, 2019 19:38
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who the gently caress watches south park any more?
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Mar 11, 2019 19:57
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Chuds
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Mar 11, 2019 19:58
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DC Murderverse posted:who the gently caress watches south park any more? Libertarians
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Mar 11, 2019 20:15
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Fart City posted:Libertarians I thought they moved onto Rick & Morty.
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Mar 11, 2019 20:32
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Captain Marvel was a good super hero movie. I'm convinced the marketing fell on its face trying to market it because many people in my circle of friends expected it to suck for some reason. Sam Jackson was a highlight and it's a wonder at this point how he hasn't been slotted in for a Phase 4 movie of his own. Brie Larson is a great Carol Danvers. I kind of wanted more Ronin in this since I felt like he would have been a good foil over Jude Law but I got a good chuckle during the climax when he tried to goad Danvers into a bro down and she was just not having any of that poo poo. In the absence of Stan Lee, I'd like to see Goose appear in every MCU movie from now on. Speaking of Stan Lee, Marvel should officially replace the intro title with his tribute one. I'd love that.
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Mar 11, 2019 21:15
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AndyElusive posted:Captain Marvel was a good super hero movie. I'm convinced the marketing fell on its face trying to market it because many people in my circle of friends expected it to suck for some reason. Sam Jackson was a highlight and it's a wonder at this point how he hasn't been slotted in for a Phase 4 movie of his own. Brie Larson is a great Carol Danvers. I kind of wanted more Ronin in this since I felt like he would have been a good foil over Jude Law but I got a good chuckle during the climax when he tried to goad Danvers into a bro down and she was just not having any of that poo poo. None of that makes it a good superhero movie.
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Mar 11, 2019 21:23
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I said come in! posted:I thought they moved onto Rick & Morty. Until the show drove it in deeper that Rick is and has always been a piece of poo poo, and that made people mad because their golden boy was taken down many pegs last season
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Mar 11, 2019 21:25
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:None of that makes it a good superhero movie. I'll take that into consideration when I rewatch and enjoy this on Netflix in a few months.
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Mar 11, 2019 21:27
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AndyElusive posted:I'll take that into consideration when I rewatch and enjoy this on Netflix in a few months. If you need to insist how much you enjoy something, then your joy is weak.
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Mar 11, 2019 21:31
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"Woman who works for morally suspect space-corps" is such an amazing premise than I'm annoyed it's just the boring preamble in this movie. On the flip-side the movie gets good when it moves to 1990's LA, whereas previous movies like Masters of the Universe or Beastmaster II sucked because they were set in contemporary USA to skimp on the budget. The challenge is how they will make Danvers interesting and not boringly overpowered. She wailed on the bad guys here like she was a Level 99 character who just started New Game+.
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Mar 11, 2019 21:34
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I appreciate that this capped off the 90s references by having the main character go Super Saiyan and then gently caress off into space indefinitely
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Mar 11, 2019 21:35
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:If you need to insist how much you enjoy something, then your joy is weak. I'll have you know my joy graduated top of its class in the Navy Seals.
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Mar 11, 2019 21:39
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Inspector Gesicht posted:whereas previous movies like Masters of the Universe or Beastmaster II sucked
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Mar 11, 2019 21:40
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Inspector Gesicht posted:"Woman who works for morally suspect space-corps" is such an amazing premise than I'm annoyed it's just the boring preamble in this movie. On the flip-side the movie gets good when it moves to 1990's LA, whereas previous movies like Masters of the Universe or Beastmaster II sucked because they were set in contemporary USA to skimp on the budget. Same thing happened to Thor. Ragnarok’s climax was about him realizing that mjolnir was just a tool to focus his power, not the source of it. Then he spends all of Infinity War questing for a replacement.
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Mar 11, 2019 21:42
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Inspector Gesicht posted:The challenge is how they will make Danvers interesting They won't.
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Mar 11, 2019 21:43
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Fart City posted:Same thing happened to Thor. It would be kind of funny seeing Thor shoot lightning out of his hands like Palpatine though.
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Mar 11, 2019 21:48
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Fart City posted:Ragnarok’s climax was about him realizing that mjolnir was just a tool to focus his power, not the source of it. Then he spends all of Infinity War questing for a replacement. Yeah? If it helps focus his power its going to be much more effective than shooting lighting everywhere.
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Mar 11, 2019 21:53
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Please don't take this as a "but the plotholes!" criticism, but the use of Come As You Are doesn't make sense since Danvers left Earth in 1989, a few years before the song was written. the Supreme Intelligence wouldn't have been able to pull it from her mind. I'm pretty sure her taste in music would be more similar to Starlord's.
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Mar 11, 2019 21:54
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To be fair Stormbreaker or whatever is called was deemed a god killer and Thor had already fought Thanos (and lost horribly) right before IW began. So him searching for a weapon to kill Thanos with was the right move.
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Mar 11, 2019 21:54
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Inspector Gesicht posted:
Probably by having her fight Thanos. Captain Marvel 2 will be a real challenge for the writers, though.
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Mar 11, 2019 21:58
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Mymla posted:Captain Marvel 2 will be a real challenge for the writers, though. I'll be kinda surprised if CM2 isn't just a Ms Marvel/Kamala Khan origin story
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Mar 11, 2019 22:02
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Mymla posted:Probably by having her fight Thanos. Nah, just go in space, Marvel has tons of mega-powered poo poo out there. Plus none of the movies are consistent about power levels AT ALL so they can just make it whatever.
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Mar 11, 2019 22:10
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AndyElusive posted:Captain Marvel was a good super hero movie. I'm convinced the marketing fell on its face trying to market it because many people in my circle of friends expected it to suck for some reason. Sam Jackson was a highlight and it's a wonder at this point how he hasn't been slotted in for a Phase 4 movie of his own. Brie Larson is a great Carol Danvers. I kind of wanted more Ronin in this since I felt like he would have been a good foil over Jude Law but I got a good chuckle during the climax when he tried to goad Danvers into a bro down and she was just not having any of that poo poo.
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Neo Rasa posted:This came up when the Civil War comic happened, the X-Men just peaced out of the storyline completely because I guess the writers forgot the X-Men had been dealing with superhero registration/etc. type storylines for literal decades. The writers didn’t forget, Cyclops told both factions to piss off. They wouldn’t help Tony because of his registration bullshit and refused to help Steve since there were so few X-men left and he wasn’t about to risk any of them helping people that didn’t even raise a voice of protest when the government turned the school into a reservation and stationed Sentinels all along the perimeter.
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Mar 11, 2019 22:13
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:To be fair Stormbreaker or whatever is called was deemed a god killer and Thor had already fought Thanos (and lost horribly) right before IW began. So him searching for a weapon to kill Thanos with was the right move. maybe write another plot then
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Mar 11, 2019 22:21
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Detective No. 27 posted:Please don't take this as a "but the plotholes!" criticism, but the use of Come As You Are doesn't make sense since Danvers left Earth in 1989, a few years before the song was written. the Supreme Intelligence wouldn't have been able to pull it from her mind. I'm pretty sure her taste in music would be more similar to Starlord's. shoulda gone with G&R IMO
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Mar 11, 2019 22:26
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DC Murderverse posted:who the gently caress watches south park any more? I do.
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Mar 11, 2019 22:28
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BabyFur Denny posted:Man this is why so many people are going to be super confused by Clint going Ronin in Avengers Endgame Woops. Ya, I originally typed Ronan and my phone autocorrected it to Ronin.
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