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The Oldest Man posted:People are going to be really mad when the first few cities get permanently destroyed/dehabitated by sea level rise and tidal or surge flooding and/or wet bulb mass death events and it finally enters that zeitgeist that a) we are truly, truly hosed - not in some future for our grand children by in the lifetime of millennials - and all these climate treaties and green initiatives have been pure marketing bullshit and b) this was all as predictable as pushing an egg off the kitchen counter and watching it break open on the floor. Yeah, the truth is we're going to be broiling long before we even have to worry about which tipping points we're currently demolishing. How many record breaking fire seasons does Cali have left in it before even more people gtfo because they know the situation is hopeless? That's a question for today too, because we don't need the Arctic to go away, the Amazon turning into a savannah, or Thwaites Glacier melting away to have a really bad existential time. https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/09/us/california-wildfires-drought-conditions/index.html quote:After the worst wildfire season ever in 2020, California is bracing for more destruction this year due to worsening drought conditions and above-normal temperatures. Western USA is going to burn down this season, and we'll probably be saying that every year for the rest of our lives. And that's in a country where the outlook is still a lot more favorable than a lot of other spots in the world that are worse already.
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perepelki posted:you can see why i've chosen to place bets on a surprising number of species surviving the death throes of humanity I'm sure a lot will survive, but populations sure are going to take a beating from people catching and eating anything they can get their hands on.
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Lost Time posted:Western USA is going to burn down this season, and we'll probably be saying that every year for the rest of our lives. And that's in a country where the outlook is still a lot more favorable than a lot of other spots in the world that are worse already. I think people will simply say "ah, well, nevertheless" to any amount of forest land or national parks or whatever - and small towns - burning down, as long as people can slap on a mask when they go outside to ignore the ashes and there's still a job to go to and the food continues to arrive in the grocery store and they can get drunk or smoke weed on the weekend, because, really, that's just life and if all that continues then life continues. For most people all the other poo poo is an entertainment program they see on TV. But if cities are overrun with internal climate refugees from a couple major cities like Houston and Miami being depopulated in a matter of months, and food production starts to be disrupted, or the electricity browns out half the day, then those things that make up day to day life are going to start failing. I think that's when people are really going to get mad.
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The Oldest Man posted:People are going to be really mad when the first few cities get permanently destroyed/dehabitated by sea level rise and tidal or surge flooding and/or wet bulb mass death events and it finally enters that zeitgeist that a) we are truly, truly hosed - not in some future for our grand children by in the lifetime of millennials - and all these climate treaties and green initiatives have been pure marketing bullshit and b) this was all as predictable as pushing an egg off the kitchen counter and watching it break open on the floor. I can see it getting pretty spicy while the boomers are still around tbh.
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Apr 10, 2021 08:16
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Xaris posted:There may be physical mechanisms that we are yet to uncover that could help Climate Change stabilize and ‘doomsday’ may never come
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Gods_Butthole posted:I can see it getting pretty spicy while the boomers are still around tbh. It's already getting spicy but I think we've probably got another few decades before "this city doesn't exist anymore" becomes the new normal. But I've been wrong before!
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The Oldest Man posted:It's already getting spicy but I think we've probably got another few decades before "this city doesn't exist anymore" becomes the new normal. You are more optimistic than me Oldest Man. I hope you are right, I think.
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What's going to happen is the cities in the rich countries will get giant sea walls, and in the poor countries they will be left to drown. Occasionally, a sea wall will break and thousands of people will die Oh and carbon emissions? More than ever!
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Humanity? We’re just getting ... “warmed up!” (Cackles while lightning and thunder strike)
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:What's going to happen is the cities in the rich countries will get giant sea walls, and in the poor countries they will be left to drown. i don't think the rich countries can build enough seawalls tbh
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Apr 10, 2021 10:39
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redleader posted:i don't think the rich countries can build enough seawalls tbh We'll build sea walls and make poor countries pay for it
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Apr 10, 2021 10:41
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redleader posted:i don't think the rich countries can build enough seawalls tbh prob netherlands and stuff will i guess rich ppl will just live up far above sea level in mt cook or someshit.
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Xaris posted:san francisco is a penisula and lol at walling off the entire bay u just gotta wall off the golden gate then build a canal through whichever part of the peninsula would impact the most poor people and build a giant statue of nancy pelosi so u can catch a glimpse of one of ur superiors as u drown when the wall fails due to a comical error where the contractors thought the blueprints said snails instead of nails also the snails are poisonous because they were the cheapest kind of snail, so if the tsunami doesn't drown or crush u, or set you on fire while drowning and crushing you, the snails will finish the job
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if you start building seawalls then you’ve implicitly accepted the logical conclusion of underwater domed cities
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doomsday will not be skipped. at current pace domesday will be
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https://twitter.com/capitalweather/status/1380886631381630984?s=20 fire season looking promising
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fits my needs posted:https://twitter.com/capitalweather/status/1380886631381630984?s=20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=280yPTyei0U
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covid has really shown us no one understands how to think exponentially. we've probably already activated a ton of feedback loops that just haven't manifested yet, so people are really gonna be in for a shock if during a particularly warm year or whatever a bunch of bad poo poo happens that's leads to irrevocable loss.
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Apr 10, 2021 18:08
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Xaris posted:lmao pretty much. there won't ever be any funding for sea walls in america because then it's acknowledging it's seriously instead of just greenwashing lipservice. the country (or states) will never go for a big sea wall. okay maybe manhattan. florida will never do it as chudslandia. san francisco is a penisula and lol at walling off the entire bay. seattle... eh maybe. still no, feds arent gunna fund any sort of that non-sense i think we'll see both a combination of seawalls for the wealthy and just letting things flood. plus in general the people in the low lying flood prone areas are poor and the rich people live on the hill when possible. but i completely believe in our ability to build seawalls without admitting its a serious problem. like the plan to build seawalls to protect the oil refineries in texas lol
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also shout out to Obama's illegally installed seawall in Hawaii that's ruining the local beaches
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Xaris posted:There may be physical mechanisms that we are yet to uncover that could help Climate Change stabilize and ‘doomsday’ may never come is it me or is irresponsible for that guy to say that in the article.
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Stairmaster posted:is it me or is irresponsible for that guy to say that in the article. What are you talking about? Everything is going to be fine.
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Personally I'm more interested in all of our coastal cables that are about to get submerged if big pieces of Thwaites just start collapsing into the ocean.
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Xaris posted:prob netherlands and stuff will i guess that just reminded me of a level in railroad tycoon 2 (or 3?) that takes place in the future and that's exactly what the dutch did and now you have to build a rail network there and to what remains of the rest of europe to make it all work. to get the gold medal you need to build a gigantic undersea tunnel all the way to what remains of the uk where there's the only sources of uranium on the map and import some of it. that was a fun scenario. maybe i should play that game again
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Stairmaster posted:is it me or is irresponsible for that guy to say that in the article. adding that disclaimer allows him to keep his job, sounds pretty responsible to me
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Lost Time posted:
where/when was the 130 degree mark hit? fits my needs posted:https://twitter.com/capitalweather/status/1380886631381630984?s=20 will this stuff every seriously affect some of the urban coastal areas, like Seattle, SF, etc.? actionjackson has issued a correction as of 18:45 on Apr 10, 2021 |
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If something as big as Thwaites slides into the ocean all at once, how long does it take for that rise in sea level to propagate? Days? Weeks? Hours?!
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actionjackson posted:will this stuff every seriously affect some of the urban coastal areas, like Seattle, SF, etc.? wildfire can't burn a metropolis to the ground but suburbs are already getting torched and changing out your indoor HEPA filters is now a seasonal chore on the west coast. not sure what you're expecting here. the southwest is just going to get increasingly unpleasant to live in year over year. Laterite posted:adding that disclaimer allows him to keep his job, sounds pretty responsible to me ya basically anyone who's been in the game more than a couple decades knows exactly where we're headed but your career is over the moment you engage with reality. we'll see world population nosediving by the billions and research will still be getting published talkin bout "the near term pathways available for avoiding catastrophic warming".
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actionjackson posted:will this stuff every seriously affect some of the urban coastal areas, like Seattle, SF, etc.?  Cities won't burn to the ground if that's what you're asking, but it's gonna affect a lot of big and small cities.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:What's going to happen is the cities in the rich countries will get giant sea walls, and in the poor countries they will be left to drown. Yeah actually rich countries will just let their poor suffer and die as they are doing right now while the actual rich - who have no national affiliation whatsoever in practice - gently caress off to their other house in the city that's not been turned into a pestilent swamp or overtaken by the starvation riots yet. jetz0r posted:Cities won't burn to the ground if that's what you're asking, but it's gonna affect a lot of big and small cities. A lot of the basic infrastructure of places like SF and Seattle - like electricity generation and transmission, municipal water, etc. are reliant on areas that very much are going to burn down. Also, the cities themselves could experience significant direct fire damage once we get into "out of control firestorm" territory, although that's much less likely and will happen much later than simply ending up in the dark for weeks. The Oldest Man has issued a correction as of 19:18 on Apr 10, 2021 |
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Xaris posted:There may be physical mechanisms that we are yet to uncover that could help Climate Change stabilize and ‘doomsday’ may never come It's going to be a pogrom Ecofascism will be the solution
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Grapplejack posted:Ecofascism will be the solution AKA the status quo.  Accretionist has issued a correction as of 19:31 on Apr 10, 2021 |
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actionjackson posted:where/when was the 130 degree mark hit? Death valley last August, but there were plenty of record highs across southern california including 120 degrees in orange county (which is crazy)
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Accretionist posted:Hot Take: "Eco-Fascism," is actually just the status quo. No it's going to be much worse. Imagine sterilization and genocide campaigns levied against south america / the middle east / southeast asia
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Grapplejack posted:No it's going to be much worse. Imagine sterilization and genocide campaigns levied against south america / the middle east / southeast asia No see our current ecofascism is fascism against the environment itself
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Grapplejack posted:No it's going to be much worse. Imagine sterilization and genocide campaigns levied against south america / the middle east / southeast asia You're just describing the status quo but moreso E: I mean, literally, genocide by proxies has been a fixture of US imperial policy in SEA, the ME and South America for decades.
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Wakko posted:wildfire can't burn a metropolis to the ground but well that sounds like a challenge to me
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