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rex rabidorum vires
Mar 26, 2007

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redleader posted:

is there a BIG WEATHER thread that watches/discusses all these extreme weather events?

Weatherocalypse thread in the Science sub-forum of Ask/Tell

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rex rabidorum vires
Mar 26, 2007

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net work error posted:

Does that mean they shut down the coal plant now?

It's one less helicopter in the air which is a net positive!

rex rabidorum vires
Mar 26, 2007

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Good thing it might not matter at this point!

rex rabidorum vires
Mar 26, 2007

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I thought it meant be the first one drunk so you didn't have to be the sober one dealing with the drunks tbh.

rex rabidorum vires
Mar 26, 2007

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So if I understand the colorful gifs and pictures of the Arctic correctly the whole climate pattern is falling completely apart which it has been splitting and reforming (per Shima Honnou) every 6 to 8 weeks, but it hasn't yet reformed after its last split. In addition to that, the emissions from 2010? 2012? aren't being felt yet. Is that about the correct lag period or is it faster/slower? Oh and Siberia is on mega fire thus increasing emissions and what was thought to be 'safe' ice fractured and it's all melting in a worst case styled scenario. I mostly get that right?

All this take of domes and I'll be in the angry dome.

rex rabidorum vires
Mar 26, 2007

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Perry Mason Jar posted:

We're feeling the effects from carbon emitted in the last century (it's typically given as 40 years but the confidence range is 25 to 50 years - 37.5 is the most likely). By 2016 an additional 0.6C of warming had been locked in (via carbon emissions). Locked in warming is obviously higher now four years on with no peak.

Ok so the lag is more significant than I thought/remember. Cool.


Addamere posted:

Yes, you understand.

Lol we're so dead.

rex rabidorum vires
Mar 26, 2007

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vyelkin posted:

It's worse now.

The arctic is in a death spiral and once it dies all the weather patterns we've built out lives around in the northern hemisphere die with it. The abrupt change in atmospheric patterns over the last 12 months or so show that we're probably entering the last stages of this death, and we'll get a blue ocean event if not this year then in the next few years, which is a feedback loop that further accelerates warming in general and the death of arctic weather patterns in particular.

And as you say, this is based on emissions from decades ago. We've already locked in future emissions that guarantee this would continue to happen even if we stopped all CO2 emissions tomorrow. It's happening whether we like it or not, and it's happening decades earlier than predicted.

The only part I wasn't super certain about was the lag between emissions to impact. The bringing up of Blue Ocean Event is what prompted me into finally asking. Seems like anything as low as 10ish years to as long as 40...but the time period before dissipation doesn't seem to have changed much from my Environmental class ~14 years ago. Even on the shortened 10 year scale we've done literally nothing so it's academic really. If it is on the 30-40 year lag between emission to impact WELP fate already sealed lmao have a good one.

Shima Honnou posted:

I still love how anyone thinks they can outrun a thing that will take millions of years to reverse, assuming it ever does. Money is a brain disease.

When you spend your entire life being able to solve every problem you ever encounter with money of course you're going to think it will solve this problem too!

rex rabidorum vires
Mar 26, 2007

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Shima Honnou posted:

Remember when Bolso took power and roving gangs of heavily-armed cops started beating on his brown and gay supporters who didn't realize he and his were nazis?

Sort of. I do remember them burning books though.

rex rabidorum vires
Mar 26, 2007

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Over Easy posted:

When will it get so bad that I won't have to go to work anymore?

When you're either warlord or dead tbh.

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Mar 26, 2007

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CODChimera posted:

Where's everyone at after all the ice melting? i've actually looped back around to thinking that we will be fine, scientists will solve it maybe?

Substance abuse mostly. Answering some questions from my mom/other family members because this stuff has punctured even into the BBC sphere of reporting and they're 'uhhhh wait it has all melted...how?' and 'So after it all melts what happens?' Trying to explain Hypercane and not be giddy about it was harder than I expected. Enjoy your hope I guess :shrug:

rex rabidorum vires
Mar 26, 2007

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Shima Honnou posted:

BTW current forecasts say we may have open ocean to the north pole on the Russian side of the Arctic in a few days.

LMAO we're so hosed :(

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Mar 26, 2007

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The funny thing being is that gravity batteries exist. Excess electrical capacity is used to pump water up hill and that water is then used during peak or something to spin a turbine. No idea on how the math works out, but if you're running something like a nuke plant where it's somewhat difficult to adjust output it isn't the *worst* idea. I believe some hydroelectric dams do this as well.

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Mar 26, 2007

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Very cool on the train thing.

Complications posted:

That's actually an energy loss because of the costs of feeding and watering them.

Lol if you think either of those 2nd two things will happen if that's what you're using to create 'energy'

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Mar 26, 2007

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Shima Honnou posted:

Ash is a natural de-icing agent so if the smoke deposits ash on the ice it melts even more. Either way the albedo of smoke is lower than that of clouds or snow to begin with so it's worse than either regardless.

I was just thinking this. Cinder is used pretty often to help with snow and ice in certain parts of the US so that can only do great things to the Arctic ice.

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Mar 26, 2007

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Things looking kinda bad?

rex rabidorum vires
Mar 26, 2007

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Shima Honnou posted:

Instead of making up fake technologies the governments just silence all the reports as they reach "we gotta all do a revolution or we're ultrafucked" levels, like what they did with the IPCC and then hope nobody notices.

Who is going to notice? Ain't no one going to report on it since there's like 6 billionaires that own all of the news outlets lmao.

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Mar 26, 2007

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the bitcoin of weed posted:

at the rate we're going “I think it’s very likely that it won’t happen in the next few decades" means it will definitely happen next summer, right

At this point isn't 'Worst Case: 30 years' basically working out to 3-5 years lmao. RIP us.

rex rabidorum vires
Mar 26, 2007

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Not too bad yet, right?

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Mar 26, 2007

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Zohar posted:

just lol https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new...-us-study-finds

"Climate change contrarians" are getting 49 per cent more media coverage than scientists who support the consensus view that climate change is man-made, a new study has found.

The research, conducted by the University of California and published today in Nature Communications, examined around 200,000 research publications and 100,000 digital and print media articles from climate change scientists and deniers over several years.

Both side'ism and 'impartiality' being the death of us all rules.

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Mar 26, 2007

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Shima Honnou posted:

Check out 250 and 70 hpa over the Antarctic lmao

It....isn't supposed to look like that is it.

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Mar 26, 2007

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RedneckwithGuns posted:

https://twitter.com/ClimateBen/status/1163791496648306688

Turns out Trump won't be the one to kill us all, but Bolsonaro

Things starting to look pretty bad here.

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Mar 26, 2007

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Lol imagine getting completely bent out of a shape for something that is a 'plan' for a candidate without a vote even cast yet. Fortunately it won't matter if the plan has nuke power or not because 1/5 of all oxygenation on the planet won't exist in a year.

rex rabidorum vires
Mar 26, 2007

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We can't even get a car to not run into fire trucks, but you're going to talk about drones colonizing Mars on a "multi-centennial level' when there's like a year to not kill basically the whole species. Lol and lmao.

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Mar 26, 2007

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One of the trees in my yard is dropping leafs...the others and my neighbors not so much. I'm sure this is fine. Oh it's going to be 90 degrees on Wednesday? In October? Man this weather sure is weird.

rex rabidorum vires
Mar 26, 2007

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Accretionist posted:

When the private sector starts to panic, my money's on ramshackle geoengineering.

It's going to be amazing.

Going to be more Ramshackle Glory than geoengineering hopefully.

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Mar 26, 2007

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Did not have British Isles down as the first to go.

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Mar 26, 2007

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Hold up....it's a big gently caress off storm that also is a cat 5? And it's going to crash into Ireland. And joking/trolling or not just going to gloss over those first two things? Climate change is a hell of a thing.

rex rabidorum vires
Mar 26, 2007

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Seems problematic. How are things looking?

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General Dog posted:

Took off their catalytic converters?

Drive shaft baby

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Complications posted:

The most hilarious part is that if the Dems win the next election and care enough to try to bring those regulations back it'll spawn a dozen lawsuits that'll take until 2026 or better to play out, which means it'll require at least two Dem presidencies in a row before the damage will be staunched. Of course, that's assuming that those protections aren't permanently traded away in exchange for, oh I dunno, a one year extension for some tax cuts or a patch on the ACA or something.

These are regulations setup and enforced by the agencies themselves under guidance from the executive. So of course the Dems will trade away a unilateral power if they were to have the presidency. The court part you're probably hosed on unless they fundumentaly change/accelerate that process. The amount of horrific devastation continues to be impressive.

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Mar 26, 2007

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NUMBER GO UP! We're so screwed :(

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Mar 26, 2007

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Have the new models been updated to account for the 'Turns out CO2 is a lot worse than previously anticipated' or is there still plenty of lol still not that bad!

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Mar 26, 2007

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Things seem to be looking a little bad

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Mar 26, 2007

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err posted:

We had a good run.

Did we really though?

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Mar 26, 2007

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Crunchy Black posted:

seems quite not good OP

But is it bad, yet?

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mdemone posted:

I will believe that poo poo about Death Valley. driving from LA to Vegas through there made me wonder just why anybody cut that drat road to begin with

To do exactly what you were doing :)

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Mar 26, 2007

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Getting into a supposed 50 page 'screaming' match with Grover might be the biggest reason to discount anything you're trying to say.

Anyways things looking a little not good.

rex rabidorum vires
Mar 26, 2007

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MightyBigMinus posted:

oh no i'm not cool among white noise poo poo posters that spend half their time babbling reactionary talking points trying to sound smart


oh nooooo

Knowing that we're all pissing in the wind regardless of the veracity of our claims because none of us have our hands on the levers of power is the point OP. So bring on the covidcane and BoE 'cause buddy pal friend none of that poo poo cares about concrete (unless it's a dome).

rex rabidorum vires
Mar 26, 2007

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Personal transportation via cars is loving garbage whether EV or ICE. Oh boy we replaced one massively detrimental system with another slightly less detrimental system great job everyone! (Still has a BoE)

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Mar 26, 2007

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blatman posted:

life pro tip to spice things up: infuse some sugar cubes with LSD and then put them in a little container and casually toss them wherever, forget about it for who knows how long and then freak out one day because you think you've suddenly gone schizophrenic because your first and second morning coffees were laced with enormous amounts of acid

Ah the CIA approach. Bold.

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