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Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


Siberia? That's super far away how bad can it be, really

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Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


galenanorth posted:

...the candidates with the furthest left climate change plan...

are you in switzerland or something

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


Taintrunner posted:

well now it looks like we’re definitely not doing anything to mitigate climate change here in America until maybe 2028

woo!! fracking!!!

where is this infinite fuckin' reservoir of optimism and can I have some

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


Sjs00 posted:

nah bro the East coast smells like poo poo already a strong breeze and we'd all suffocate or something

I mean, it's the East coast. Win/win.

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


Gods_Butthole posted:

I currently have several colonies seeded about my property. The next step is to open up diplomatic channels with them. The ultimate goal is for them to take me in and accept me as one of their own. I will become one with the Queen

fortunately for you someone already filmed a detailed how-to on this process

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcs3_b3VXSU

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


some people find that kind of change frightening at first, it's to be expected

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


Shima Honnou posted:

Our dumbshit government sent a copy of season 1-4 of West Wing to Myanmar to try to 'teach them how to do a government', there are zero experts anywhere near the helm, it's grifters or drooling morons the whole way.

Is that how it happened? I sincerely couldn't tell whether this was a joke and the first few stories Google offers up claims it was a self-study program Hillary told them we could improve on. If we sent it to them in the first place that's even better

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


That seems like a reasonable assessment to me. Internet communication (probably all communication involving more than two people, really) has always had persistent issues with is/ought confusion, but in this thread in particular you're probably going to see a lot of sentiment that a thing is definitely going to happen and also is a bad thing.

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


I wouldn't call that one strangely overlooked so much as very personal - if you decide the answer is "no", there's not a whole lot to gain from advertising the decision. It's not like you need to round up more popular support to be confident of victory.

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


Hairy Marionette posted:

This is a value judgement. I shall counter with, everything is natural. Your move.

That's an equivalent statement, just less confrontational phrasing

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


Hope the cascadia quake hits in the next decade so you can pick up a spot in the PNW cheap and earthquake-worry-free

then get wiped out by yellowstone the next year

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


I will eat the last cow

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


CODChimera posted:

what do we worship? actually it doesn't matter, i'm in

tricked you it's number

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


quote:

we can’t neglect history to save the future

thread title material imo, but I'm not emotionally prepared to give up the on-sale mug

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


Paradoxish posted:

Eh, they kind of get it, they're just thinking over a shorter term than a lot of people in this thread.

This is really what's always been holding most people back, isn't it? This pathological fixation on not just the next moment, but all the way out to a next day and a next year. That's just so unhealthy. You've got to let go of all that future baggage, accept that this present is all that exists or ever will exist, and appreciate that in this beautiful moment number is up.

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


Rain, like trees, has always been cool and good

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


please don't

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


if the video isn't a couple weeks old it should be, that would have been a good one

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


no, but it will have plastic palm trees on top so people can climb them to escape the flooding long past the point where real trees would have died and been rendered useless

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009



I am already dead and will scatter links to the wind in your name https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2017/03/04/interpret-confidence-intervals/

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


Perry Mason Jar posted:

End the wars and end class society. Members of the classless society (as well as the society in transition) can solve the crisis by their own means - which are totally foreign and unknowable by me - without need for my or anyone else's diktats.

I realize this thread of conversation has progressed a little by now, but this problem of time scale seems kind of important. Do you think it's plausible that society could reorganize to the point where it is totally foreign and unknowable by you in the span of...what's an optimistic assessment at this point? 20 years or so? Before enough systems have collapsed violently enough that providing "housing, employment, healthcare, and education guaranteed (free!!)" to everyone in the world is flatly impossible with or without massive societal change. Or are we just eliding the mass death that will obviously presage the society in transition?

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


That makes a lot more sense then, although idk who in this thread would still object to lay down, smoke weed, and prepare to die. Seems like sage advice.

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


Centrist Committee posted:

literally everything about how you spend your day has changed over the last decade or so with the mass adoption of smartphones phones, social media, the app economy, etc

I'll grant you I'm an outlier in many ways but the only impact that poo poo has had on my personal daily life is that most of what I read is dumber than what I was reading a decade ago. Certainly none of it would be the sort of unknowable or foreign to last-decade me that I couldn't have made some pretty good suggestions about how to tackle problems that existed then and also exist now. For example,


lol that owns

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


nah, he's gonna need to cut the tree down and turn it into a coffee table so he can bring it home and enjoy it for the rest of his life

sorry about your poverty

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


Pobrecito posted:

We are the middle children of history. Born too late to explore earth, born too early to explore space see the full scale of anthropogenic climate apocalypse.

did you just get here? man have i got some great news for you about methane

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


The Oldest Man posted:

I'm honestly not sure if I even want to tell people about the Laptev pocket. What would be the point? We had our chances, rich people decided they'd rather trade the entire future away to stay rich, the majority of everyone else was too ill informed and self-interested to say different or too poor and brutalized to resist or both, and now a certain outcome is more or less locked in.

How are other people handling this information? I mean obviously it was pretty certain long before this we were long term hosed and the idea of changing course was going to require a total destruction of society as we know it but this is kind of like seeing the ignition flash in the barrel of the gun that's pointed at your head vs understanding that guns exist and one will get you eventually.

Mostly I've been trying to figure out how to have a very vague conversation with my wife; it feels like there's some important practical joint decision making to do re: "how bad do things have to get before you think you might want to flee the cities and/or check out entirely?" but I can't really figure out how to broach it in a way that gets us to real discussion without getting into enough detail for panic or depression. All this would have been so much easier if I'd just clung to antisocial hermit status for, like, three years longer than I managed.

e: also, eating more barbeque

Irony.or.Death has issued a correction as of 01:51 on May 8, 2021

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


Raine posted:

how do you follow science??

i looked on twitter but i cant find science's account

it's right here dude yw https://twitter.com/ScienceMagazine

they're pretty bad though I feel like the bitcoin guy was making an unreasonable request

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


nah, it's fine

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


Crazypoops posted:

The "triage" will be automated bezo turrets and the Oregon border wall

I wish I believed Oregon was going to get their poo poo together for a wall, refugees from California are the greatest threat to the PNW

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


Shipon posted:

the pacific northwest is secretly racist as hell and that's the real reason they hate california

secretly? I thought that was like the most well known thing about the region

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


Shima Honnou posted:

once the grid goes down it is every posters responsibility to find a chisel and begin shitposting on the world, perhaps the ultrasquids will find our lmaos one day

cover every surface with tentacle porn so they have to wonder whether their ancestors hosed us

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


Perry Mason Jar posted:

It's colder in the work office during the summers than it is during the winters and I don't loving get it.

In my experience pretty much every office building is kept uncomfortable in a seasonally inappropriate fashion. Even odds whether it's an intentional strategy to make you miserable or defaults chosen to ensure that climate control systems need to be serviced and replaced more often.

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


all of it, man. just make some coffee and think about dubai for a while.

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


Irony.or.Death posted:

all of it, man. just make some coffee and think about dubai for a while.

update: spent the pot revisiting some of the city's greatest hits, and am left with a profound sorrow that the air conditioned beach never made it to reality. pour one out for poor number, denied this triumph.

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


Harry Potter on Ice posted:

I like the "I made enough money to not work for a decade" part combined with being a gig worker for refineries while complaing about the state of things

It kinda seems like some people aren't getting this, but the reason it's funny is because he works on wind turbines aka the only token effort humanity has been willing to make to not die, and that ends with him at a refinery anyway because all we're willing to use them for is dying faster

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


silicone thrills posted:

Libs and chuds both super into orgasm denial wasn't a twist I was expecting in this life.

Same. I briefly thought that if there was ever an issue that should let a third-party make progress it would be a unique pro-bustin' stance, but instead I now believe that plastic wins again.

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


Blockade posted:

First part through early second I guess. I have a nasty insulin habit so I won't last any longer than our modern supply chains do. I've accepted all this and only aim to maximize the number of happy days I have left with my loved ones. I'm in Chicago, which I expect will fair better than Miami at least. To that last one, I'm not going to be around to worry about it, but I'll leave a nice note and some homemade canned goods for whatever raider finds my apartment :)

Definitely the city for you and I'm surprised you were considering anything else if you depend on insulin. Chicago's not one of the obviously hosed in the first wave places like Phoenix or Miami and your loved ones are (hopefully, mostly) already there.

More generally because people keep asking "Where should I go?" and getting "Who knows? Just don't be in Phoenix", I present my brief guide for people who know they definitely need to move soon. To set expectations at the outset, there are no possible destinations that are likely to keep your kids from needing to eat your body. The realistic goal here is just to get yourself out of the the Southwest and to somewhere that might still have fresh water six months from now.

Step 1: Decide how you definitely don't want to die. There's going to be enough stuff going wrong everywhere that you probably don't get to pick how you will die unless you're unusually proactive, but picking a least favorite can help you narrow down candidates. For example if you're willing to accept increased risk of raiders and starvation to avoid wildfires, you can cross California off your list and add Montana.

Step 2: Go as far north as you can without hating life right now. If you're posting on the internet that probably means Seattle/Chicago/Minneapolis/Anchorage. If you can get into Canada their 'good' cities are Montreal and Vancouver. If you are lucky enough to already have friends or acceptable family north of you, just go where they are. If you're the kind of person who is going to be happy and healthy today in a place smaller and norther than this without already having established connections, you are not a person who needs my advice. If you're working with the other side of the Atlantic I can't give you specific cities but the same principles apply; the only major difference is that you need to weight "likely response to all of India turning into a migrant refugee population" more heavily in your considerations.

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009


Trabisnikof posted:

Generic advice to just “go north” might be a bit misguided because the interior north gets and will continue to get worse or as bad summers as the south, but with bonus lovely soils and precipitation patterns that will dump more and more of the decreasing annual precipitation in snow events.

proximity to large bodies of water (oceans or the Great Lakes) is a better long term temperature moderator no matter what future climate brings.

better to be on the windward side of the Appalachians than be in the Albertan Badlands.

Also something else that spooks me about a lot of northern forests is a bunch of them are monodominant forests, with one or only a few species of trees making up the majority of trees in a forest. that makes the forest extremely vulnerable to collapse if something fucks with those trees. when an invasive species like the pine borer beetle comes it can kill the entire forest in a matter of years.

Personally I agree but that's why step 1 is the personal evaluation of death preferences. I like to think of the current PNW heat wave/great lakes flooding as a pair of warning shots to remind us that nowhere is actually good or safe even in the ways you might reasonably hope - so yes overall if you want to avoid high heat you're going to want to tie north to a coast but that increases your risk of sudden water-related death, etc. Maybe you're more OK with summers that kill you for leaving AC than you are with being slammed by the Atlantic acid garbage patch and that's not the call I'd make but I won't tell you you're wrong for it.

Irony.or.Death
Apr 1, 2009



I mean yes but also there are no options even approaching good. We all know that. I maintain that there are options less bad than staying put in Florida, even if they are incapable of supporting human life this week.

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Apr 1, 2009


silicone thrills posted:

Im pretty sure that doesn't even qualify as degrowth and probably wouldn't get me called a fascist for suggesting it.

lol try it and report back, I think you will be surprised!

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